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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 28, 2012 - 04:48am PT
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Okay, let's get back on topic...
This pic says it all, in regards to this thread, flouride/fluoride, taking care of yer teeth & gorgeous smiles, etc!!
edit: "Put a bird on it." Hilarious!
B -- Actually, i lifted it here, off your profile/pictures section. i hope i didn't embaress you, or whatever. i think it is very apropos. gives this thread some substance. and it will definitely cheer up Tarbaby, SteveW, and a few others, i suspect! just sayin...
Yes, it is a beautiful pic of Tenaya Lake in all its winter/early Spring glory. i traveled over the pass a number of times around that time (1st opening) brings back memories. usually bee-lined it for the Valley, it would have been a very mellow & supreme time to do a route though. Kudos!
same here! sweet dreams/ciao!!
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Aug 28, 2012 - 04:59am PT
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I guess we're Facebook friends! That was my main pic for awhile. About 3 seasons ago at the opening weekend of the pass. The lake was still frozen over.
I always try to be there for the opening weekend of the Tioga Pass. Gateway to Tuolumne and the best Cali summer climbing has to offer.
Gotta go to bed now, 7am call time for work is drawing near. Thanks for all the good wishes. --B
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 28, 2012 - 09:31am PT
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fluoride was considering moving to telluride about a year ago, but she must've gotten more work in la-la land. i thought it would have produced an interesting reaction.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 28, 2012 - 09:55am PT
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The thing that concerns me as I sit and drink LA City tap water is that flUoride cannot be dosed in drinking water. There is some concern by the CDC as they recommend or actually tell parents not to give babies their formula with Fluoride treated water.
CDC does NOT recommend what you say:
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/infant_formula.htm
What does Fluoride do? By far the most important thing is that when fluoride is ingested as our teeth are forming, it causes cross-links in the matrixes of the enamel that make it VERY resistant to decay. So much so, that children who have done this generally are free from a lifetime of cavities.
Once the teeth are formed and stop growing, consuming fluoride does not have this direct effect. Topical treatment helps, but is nowhere near as effective.
There are no deleterious health effects associated with the low doses that are involved.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Aug 28, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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i accepted the standard science on this until i read that joseph stalin put fluoride into the drinking water of his gulags and found that the prisoners became much easier to handle.
the forced fluoridation of public water continues to be an ongoing controversy. a quick google finds it currently debated in the city councils of portland, oregon, wichita, santa fe and madisonville, texas.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 28, 2012 - 10:44am PT
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Stalin used fluoride? Hitler must have too in that case. Comon... Does that really make sense? There aren't 100 more effective substances to calm or poison prisoners with?
I heartily agree that public water supplies should contain potable water. That's it. If parents want to give there children fluoride, as I do, they can.
I believe fluoride is a good thing in small doses for the teeth but I also respect someone else's wishes not to use it.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 28, 2012 - 11:09am PT
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Looks like chemtrails from UFO's. We're screwed.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2012 - 11:11am PT
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Fluoride(Beth), sorry for the startle. Busy news day yesterday, in LA wasnt it? we got dispatched on the news chopper but cancelled thankfully. The shift before we went on the plane crash on San Fernando Rd. strange few days.
Speaking of the Dead Kenedy's, I saw them in 1984 or 1983 at the Olympic Auditorium in LA. Fishbone opened for them and the drummer of Fishbone hucked a drumstick into the crowed and pegged some dude in the eye. A mele broke out and the drummer ended up getting stabbed with his own broken drumstick. This caused a significant delay in the Dead Kennedy's coming on stage but the wait was worth it.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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Ralph Nader shares his thoughts on the subject of community water fluoridation.
http://youtu.be/b5HN4Rkxx78
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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lol. Thought it was a FlUOride appreciation thread.
Hey where is that anyway...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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the forced fluoridation of public water continues to be an ongoing controversy. a quick google finds it currently debated in the city councils of portland, oregon, wichita, santa fe and madisonville, texas.
NOT among scientists, health care professionals, dentists, public health professionals.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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The same politicians would debate funding schools and healthcare. Doesn't make it wrong.
Notice how they don't debate making the military do bake sales - just the schools.
That's how your science should work, if google says politicians are debating it, or if hitler used it (incorrect BTW)....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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I spent ages 3-6 in west Texas where there is a lot of natural fluoride in the water. There were whole counties in those days with no dentists. In some, the people's teeth were brown like chewing tobacco, but not a cavity in their head.
I'm almost 68 years old and I've only had one cavity and that was in a wisdom tooth that most likely formed after we left the area. With checkups and cleanings, I've spent less than a thousand dollars on my teeth in my whole life.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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maybe this fact has been mentioned; i didn't see it on a quick scan. Fluoridation is to the U.S. taxpayer the biggest scam in U.S. history; with the possible exception of homeland security.
It provides nothing but huge profits for producers and middlemen of the substance (as far as adding it to the drinking water).
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 11:09am PT
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I understand how applying fluoride to the tooth surface might help but how can ingesting it help? On toothpaste it says call poison control if you swallow a pea size amount of fluoride toothpaste. How do you regulate dosage in drinking water? Everyone drinks a varying amount and therefore it is impossible to regulate. I went on a call last week where a burglar broke into a house being fumigated, we had to enter in full haz mat suits. The only thing being used in the fumigation was fluoride. Why can I drink it but have to where a full on haz mat entry suit to enter a house being fumigated with the same stuff?
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