Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:56am PT
and what about Armstrong's lawyers?
nah000

Mountain climber
canuckistan
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:42am PT
this whole subject has turned into one of those "hard to look away from a train wreck" type situations. what follows is in response to those who hold up livestrong and armstrong's cancer "research" fundraising as an explanation for why armstrong should be given at least some respect.

admittedly what follows is at this point mostly smoke. but given how pretty much all of the other smoke that's been reported over the last 15 years has turned out to be coming from actual fires, i'd bet hard money that if the feds ever get serious about investigating livestrong they'll find more lies and fraudulent or at least unethical enrichment of armstrong. there are just too many parallels between the way livestrong operates and the way armstrong the brand operates.

i don't have the time to go through all of the allegations but here are a few lowlights:

 "Most people are unaware that there are two Livestrong websites. Livestrong.org is the site for the nonprofit Lance Armstrong Foundation, while Livestrong.com is a somewhat similar-looking page that features the same Livestrong logo and design but is actually a for-profit content farm owned by Demand Media. ... As compensation for the use of its name, the foundation received about 183,000 shares of stock, which it sold for $3.1 million when the company went public in January 2011. Armstrong also received 156,000 shares of his own as part of a spokesperson agreement. (His agents, Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs, also received shares.) After the deal was criticized in the media, Armstrong donated his initial sale proceeds—roughly $1.2 million—to the foundation and said he planned to donate the rest, too." [emphasis mine] outside

 "Although Armstrong had told Vanity Fair he would be racing for free, he actually pocketed appearance fees in the high six figures from the organizers of both the Tour Down Under and the Giro d’Italia. An Australian government official told reporters that the money was a charitable donation, but Lance himself admitted to The New York Times that he was treating it as personal income." outside

 "In October, Betsy Andreu and Kathy LeMond described to Roopstigo a 2008 email Armstrong had sent to Sen. John Kerry that threatened to use the Livestrong database against the Democratic Party if then-presidential hopeful Barack Obama did not attend the cyclist’s cancer summit." forbes

again those are just to get a person started, there are many more rumours/allegations/etc swirling around regarding the large amount spent on advertising, legal fees, etc.; the mafia like way his lawyers deal with anyone who tries to write stories about livestrong; and on and on.

here are a few more links to save those bored at work the googling:
roopstigo
ireport.cnn
fraudbytes.blogspot

while i do hope these instances are isolated, baseless, or misinterpreted i'm not going to be holding my breath. as others have pointed out it smells a lot like mortenson all over again.

the more that comes to light the more it looks like armstrong didn't just have cancer, he is a cancer.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:21am PT
I wonder if Lance pauses over his breakfast toast and sees it as a metaphor on where his life has gone?
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Fkn' a$$hole.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:48am PT

What still get's me is how so many here (And around the fuking WORLD), fell for his stupid BULLSH!T...

Fuking IDIOTS!!!...

and the way so many HERE have taken up for that LYING SACK...




Take a look at yer hero now...

aka the NUTLESS wonder BOIee...




Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Calm down locker. So we're a bunch of idiots.


I like Donini's toast observation. I wonder, can we all tweet him suggestions as to various metaphors and analogies whereby he can ponder his lot in life?
WBraun

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Not really Locker.

The basic prime human attribute is trust.

We all trust openly with our hearts.

When someone breaks that trust thru nefarious ways like this we become more and more closed.

Society as a whole suffers from actions like this.

Look and see how we've become thru the almost total erosion of trust in our world today by the actions of our leaders thru the long past years ......
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:11pm PT

"We all trust openly with our hearts."...



Well there's a total, LOAD!!!...



;-)



Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I too was duped and refused to believe that it was true. Certainly didn't get worked up enough to call names though!
It seems that Lance did a lot of things that resulted in so many people turning against him.

It's worth pointing out (again) that Lance was winning pro triathlons when he was 16, his nickname was "the kid". Should we assume he was doping back then also?

So let's strip all of Lance's TDF titles. Great. Now who gets them? Who in the top 10 was really clean?

It bugs me that Eddy Merckx' five TDF wins are left to to stand. That's bullshít!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
"Certainly didn't get worked up enough to call names though!"...


Maybe you never posted that you have...

But I'd flat out BET that you have in fact called him NAMES (In yer HEAD and PROBABLY around friends as well)...

And rightfully so...

The dude is a TOTAL disappointment and embarassment to ALL sports...

moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
First you idolize them, then you crucify them. Sport is a dirty business, that’s why I don’t watch it.

Who is Armstrong?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Cycling is a total disappointment. Don't they all dope??
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
I come from a long line of Drill Sergeants.


Is this true?
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 16, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Know a Doper? The UCI's confidential helpline.


The helpline number, which can be accessed from anywhere in the world, is +800 8884 8884.


fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Society as a whole suffers from actions like this.

I would bet that actions like this have been happening since we crawled out of the Great Rift Valley. So we've been suffering a looong time.

Whenever there is a lot at stake, people will lie/cheat/deceive to get an edge. Doesn't matter if it's war, sports, politics, science, or organized religions for that matter.

Doesn't mean a cheater can't do good things too, as Armstrong seems to have done. There's no reason to hate this man. He rode a bicycle fast for Christ's sake and injected stuff into his own veins. Sure, strip him of the "awards" since he cheated. Ok. But leave it at that. There's no need for anger.

The lesson is not to idolize anyone or trust people blindly. Something every society falls short on at points along the way.
hb81

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
There's no reason to hate this man.

Apart from his unbelievable arrogance and the way he tried to destroy anyone
who wanted his lies revealed?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
I agree he's a prick, but the world is filled with pricks. Unless they've done something to you personally, it's best to spend energy on something else.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
It's worth pointing out (again) that Lance was winning pro triathlons when he was 16, his nickname was "the kid". Should we assume he was doping back then also?

For what it's worth, when Lance was competing as a kid in the tri circuit, he was known as an talented, cocky, and an UNBELIEVABLE prick by the rest of the competitors. You can forgive that in someone so young, but he hasn't changed.

Doesn't mean a cheater can't do good things too, as Armstrong seems to have done. There's no reason to hate this man. He rode a bicycle fast for Christ's sake and injected stuff into his own veins. Sure, strip him of the "awards" since he cheated. Ok. But leave it at that. There's no need for anger.

People who say things like this only show that they just read the popular press releases and haven't bothered to go below the surface to find out what Lance has really been up to in addition to his cancer efforts. Lance has exhibited sociopathic behavior towards anyone that threatened his self-created orb of narcissism. The guy wrecked lives behind the scenes while he got famous, went to A-list parties, and walked away with over $100 million. I'd say that's worth a little anger.

Did he provide some level of inspiration to cancer victims as the ultimate success of a survivor who went from nearly dying to the pinnacle of elite cycling? Sure, but now that's been shown to have been all smoke and mirrors. Toss in the fact that his initial cancer was probably exacerbated by his use of human growth hormone and "T" and it gets even more interesting.

Someone pull the handle and let this steamer go down.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Throw the bum out!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Just saw this on SF Gate:

Sampling of Lance Armstrong's doping denials


-and then there's the classic Nike ad, which was posted ealier in the thread if I'm knott mistaken:

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