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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 08:40pm PT





You ever wonder if you're forthright to a fault? (cf: honest to a fault)

I do. :)



oh ya i do...lol

So there is this scene in Django where the German just has to shake Candy's hand and he can walk out - just play the game and they are all out of there and will live happily ever after...
But the German can't stomach it - when push come to shove instead of shaking Candy's hand he shoots Candy and gets blown away himself..
Story of my life...lol

Don't mistake this Lance guy for a human - he is lower than human feces and will cry, lie, beg, steal and do anything it takes to benefit himself - the game is the only thing he knows - the only thing he has in the world....f*#king psychopath...
SicMic

climber
two miles from Eldorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Sheryl
Sheryl
Credit: SicMic

Sheryl looks pretty smart now for dumping the Juice.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Close your legs Sheryl - the smell is a little to 'strong for my tastes.


This is what an honest person sounds like..

Nicole Cooke retires from cycling and takes aim at Tyler Hamilton and Lance Armstrong
Nicole Cooke, the first rider in cycling history to win Olympic and world road race titles in the same year, marked her retirement with a stinging attack on the drug cheats who have helped destroy the sport’s reputation.

Great times: Nicole Cooke has announced her retirement from cycling at the age of 29 Photo: PA
By Brendan Gallagher
4:40PM GMT 14 Jan 2013
40 Comments
Cooke, who has been racing since the age of 12 and first encountered doping in her first months as a 19-year-old professional, insisted she had been clean throughout her career and delivered a coruscating rebuke on those who had succumbed to the temptation.

Nobody was spared in her attack on Monday, which included Lance Armstrong, the doper-turned-whistleblower Tyler Hamilton and female riders who had effectively deprived her of titles with their abuse of performance-enhancing substances.

Perhaps her angriest criticism was reserved for Hamilton. “Tyler Hamilton will make more money from his book describing how he cheated than I will make in all my years of honest labour,” she said, aiming her first blow at the American who failed three drugs tests and denied them all before selling his explosive memoirs.

“Please don’t reward people like Hamilton with money. That is the last thing he needs. Donate his literary prize and earnings to charity. There are many places infinitely more deserving than the filthy hands of Hamilton.”

Cooke then turned her attention to Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France champion who is set to confess to using drugs to Oprah Winfrey in a televised interview this week.

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“And when Lance Armstrong ‘cries’ on Oprah later this week and she passes him the tissue, spare a thought for all those genuine people who walked away with no rewards - just shattered dreams,” she added. “Each one of them is worth a thousand Lances.”

Cooke also related the story of Geneviève Jeanson, a top Canadian woman rider, who was an undetected doper and rival from the age of 16 but denied all in the style of Armstrong until admitting to her crimes in 2007. “Jeanson won while I came second,” she said.

“While I earned $80,000 (£50,000) in my best years at the peak of my career, she was making $400,000 (£250,000). Now she has ‘confessed’ and this is newsworthy. They are going to make a film and Jeanson, who cheated, will make money from others for a second time, telling the tale of how she robbed and lied. I can’t help thinking that the cheats win on the way up and the way down.”

Cooke delivered her parting shot from a prepared script, a seven-page document she had composed herself in anticipation of her retiring, and also trained her sights on the male riders whose cheating had effectively cost women’s cycling precious money in sponsorship.

“I am appalled by the fact that so many men bleat on about the fact that the pressure was too great,” she said. “Too great for what?

"This is not doing 71 mph on a motorway when the legal limit is 70. This is stealing somebody else’s livelihood. It’s theft, just as much as putting your hand in a purse or wallet and taking money is theft.

“I do despair that the sport will ever clean itself up when the rewards of stealing are greater than riding clean. If that remains the case, the temptation for those with no morals will always be too great.

“I have been robbed by drugs cheats, but am fortunate, I am here with more in my basket and more jerseys than I dreamed off as a 12-year-old girl. But for many people who do ride clean, some are going through horrific financial turmoil.”

Cooke also revealed that on four occasions she had to take her employers to court to secure payment of her wages as sponsors and money men disappeared from women’s cycling. Even this year, as she prepared to defend her Olympic title, her wages abruptly stopped in March.

She did, however, concede that doping had been an issue in women’s cycling and even if she was in a financial position to invest in the sport she would think twice.

“I have had days where temptation to start on the slippery slope was in front of me. In my first women’s Tour de France, when I was 19, as the race went on my strength left me.

“I was invited into a team camper and asked what ‘medicines’ I would like to take to help me and was reminded that the team had certain expectations of me during the race and I was not living up to them with my performance over the last couple of stages.

I said I would do my best until I had to drop out of the race, but I was not taking anything.”

Perhaps it is not surprising that Cooke was occasionally considered a spiky and awkward individual consumed with the urgent need to win, with that blazing anger at the injustice of everything a huge motivating factor.

The only way she could hit back was by winning and winning clean and, blessed with a stellar talent, she achieved that with some regularity.

As a junior Cooke was a world champion on the road, track and cycle-cross and once she found her feet in the senior ranks she virtually flew the flag alone for the then impoverished GB road team regularly winning medal at the World Championship and also claiming a World Cup title.

Great Britain finally gathered a credible team around her in 2008 and that was her annus mirabilis.

Cooke’s Olympic gold medal in monsoon rain kicked off the ‘Great Haul of China’ in Beijing and was a tactical masterpiece. Those golden memories are untainted and, as she contemplates the first day of retirement, that will offer much consolation.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 14, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
sure they all doped. what appears to be unique to armstrong is the level of character assassination, financial threatening and psychological manipulation ...

I wrote in an email to a friend over three years ago that I was sure Lance Armstrong doped along with many of the other riders. At the time I said it was a shame because I admired the guy.

Now folks are saying he was in a class of his own. I'm not going to spend time reading the books, but would someone summarize, briefly if possible, the evidence for the statement above?

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
You ever wonder if you're forthright to a fault? (cf: honest to a fault)

A wonderfully astute observation. This whole forum, nine times out of ten is nothing but a choreographed dance around whatever elephant exists in the room. But hey, whatever binds society together eh?

That Cooke lady sounds like a breath of fresh air. If Oprah has any balls she'll tear Lance a new as#@&%e

Anybody wanna lay odds on her doing a little dance?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Fear...I read Hamiltons book...Those pros were idiots spending all that money to blood dope and it seems they spent all their spare time stressing about getting their blood transfusions instead of relaxing and recovering...Talk about neurotic...RJ

No shite eh? Millions of dollars according to Hamilton.

And getting the others guy's f'ing blood transfused! Holy crap!

If Hamilton was lying, he's one of the best!
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:07pm PT

Thanks for posting Riley- a very interesting read.
John M

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Some people on this thread said "so what if they doped". They should read what NIcole Cooke had to say in Riley's post.

What a shame.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
zBrown, you can read the USADA's Reasoned Decision against Lance as a PDF online, or download it and read at your leisure. It lays out testimony and statements step by step against Lance. Half the content is footnotes so do not be put off by the number of pages. It is a chilling read. http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:17pm PT

According to what I just read, Lance admitted to drugging during his
interview with Oprah today. . .

On TV Thursday!!!!
John M

climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
I guess that there will be a lot of new Oprah watchers on thursday.. haha.. I thought she retired.


I wonder if her show will end up on a taco banner.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
ok THANKS THE LISA - not small, but searchable
mynameismud

climber
backseat
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
I do not think Lance will admit that he took steriod, blood transfusions, EPO, Testosterone. I think he just says yes people who raced at this time doped.

I do not think he apologizes to individuals. I do not think he apologizes to Zabrinski who swore to never dope and was actually able hang with the best while clean but just could not get out and lead. He eventually had the choice, dope or quit. He doped a couple of years then retired. Shame since he was one of the most naturally gifted riders to put on a jersey.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Slime is slime.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
The question now is whether Armweak said or did anything that exposes him to prosecution. Hopefully there's a prosecutor or investigative committee somewhere with the jurisdiction and moxie to give it a shot.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Jan 14, 2013 - 11:58pm PT

Sheryl looks pretty smart now for dumping the Juice.

she was dating O.J?

I'm confused :)
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:26am PT
And the winner is... Oprah. That's it. Everyone else loses - the rest of the people he raced against, him, his friends, cycling, everyone. Even those that KNEW he doped just win confirmation, wahoo....


Oprah has her niche, man. That's who you call. Like running a flood cleanup business.
John M

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:30am PT
The problem with these type shows is that they have to tred such a fine line. If they ask too hard of questions, or come down to hard, then no one would come on the show. Thats why Barbara Walters asked such soft ball questions of the Shah of Iran when she got the interview. Too hard of questions means no interview.
Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
Jan 15, 2013 - 02:05am PT
In a sport that has self admitted to be so far on the cutting edge that it is defined to be about doing what will be illegal tomorrow, today, it doesn't come as a surprise. Regardless, if some small kid living down the road being raised by a single mother came to dominate a sport that 90% of people didn't even know was a sport from Vacaville, I would be the first to do what I could to help.

It is funny how in the financial "sport" of gaining wealth, it is accepted, more like applauded, to "bend" the rules for ones own gain, but in sport being on the cutting edge makes you a target. If you take a drug that will be illegal tomorrow does that make it illegal today?

No one can deny the dudes work ethic was beyond his time. No one can deny the guy was up against a peleton that was just as doped as he was. No one can deny that 90% of the players you cheer for every Sunday are even more doped than Lance, they just have a better union.

IMO no one can deny Lance's story is the greatest underdog story ever written. Its all about the man in the arena. Fvucke the critics.
orangesporanges

Social climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 02:15am PT
Roughster.

I won't deny, but can you proove that Lance trained harder than everyone else out there?

As for doping though. His teams really were a step ahead of the others.

Road cycling makes me want to puke on my dck
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