Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Society as a whole suffers from actions like this.

I would bet that actions like this have been happening since we crawled out of the Great Rift Valley. So we've been suffering a looong time.

Whenever there is a lot at stake, people will lie/cheat/deceive to get an edge. Doesn't matter if it's war, sports, politics, science, or organized religions for that matter.

Doesn't mean a cheater can't do good things too, as Armstrong seems to have done. There's no reason to hate this man. He rode a bicycle fast for Christ's sake and injected stuff into his own veins. Sure, strip him of the "awards" since he cheated. Ok. But leave it at that. There's no need for anger.

The lesson is not to idolize anyone or trust people blindly. Something every society falls short on at points along the way.
hb81

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
There's no reason to hate this man.

Apart from his unbelievable arrogance and the way he tried to destroy anyone
who wanted his lies revealed?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
I agree he's a prick, but the world is filled with pricks. Unless they've done something to you personally, it's best to spend energy on something else.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
It's worth pointing out (again) that Lance was winning pro triathlons when he was 16, his nickname was "the kid". Should we assume he was doping back then also?

For what it's worth, when Lance was competing as a kid in the tri circuit, he was known as an talented, cocky, and an UNBELIEVABLE prick by the rest of the competitors. You can forgive that in someone so young, but he hasn't changed.

Doesn't mean a cheater can't do good things too, as Armstrong seems to have done. There's no reason to hate this man. He rode a bicycle fast for Christ's sake and injected stuff into his own veins. Sure, strip him of the "awards" since he cheated. Ok. But leave it at that. There's no need for anger.

People who say things like this only show that they just read the popular press releases and haven't bothered to go below the surface to find out what Lance has really been up to in addition to his cancer efforts. Lance has exhibited sociopathic behavior towards anyone that threatened his self-created orb of narcissism. The guy wrecked lives behind the scenes while he got famous, went to A-list parties, and walked away with over $100 million. I'd say that's worth a little anger.

Did he provide some level of inspiration to cancer victims as the ultimate success of a survivor who went from nearly dying to the pinnacle of elite cycling? Sure, but now that's been shown to have been all smoke and mirrors. Toss in the fact that his initial cancer was probably exacerbated by his use of human growth hormone and "T" and it gets even more interesting.

Someone pull the handle and let this steamer go down.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Throw the bum out!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Just saw this on SF Gate:

Sampling of Lance Armstrong's doping denials


-and then there's the classic Nike ad, which was posted ealier in the thread if I'm knott mistaken:

hb81

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Sure, but now that's been shown to have been all smoke and mirrors.

I don't like the guy but thats simply not true. It's still 98% talent and brutally hard training and commitment on a level that most of us probably can't quite apprehend.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Pro athletes are paid cheaters. Some worse than others. Bicycling is on par with boxing.

DMT
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 17, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
At least he had the ball to come clean.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 17, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
Throw the bum out!


I'd like to see the bum thrown in prison! But, of course, we all know, the rich and famous play by a different set of rules than the rest of us . . .
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 17, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Meh. Well, I hope the USPS gets their money back. They need all they can get.
Whole lotta scoundrels out there. Yeah Bruce, it's true. My oldest Brother got this generation.
mynameismud

climber
backseat
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
I still hope the UCI takes a serious hit over this. The UCI is complicit in the crimes since they ignored everything that was going on. Let's see, on international TV the leader of the peloton turns, makes a statement to the rest of the peloton, then rides away from the peloton and bridges up to the break away group and publicly chastises a rider that had spoken out against doping. Armstrong harasses the rider until he drops out of the break away and drops back into the peloton. The break away continues without Lance and the chastised rider. The TV commentators comment on the situation and the UCI does not investigate in any way. The doping was no longer a secret it was common knowledge.

Multiple riders went to the UCI and complained about doping practices and complained about specific riders. Some were actually chastised by the UCI. There are many reports, and this has been in the rags for years. Nothing, nada, the UCI sat on their ass and watched. Now they want Lance to testify. The UCI no longer has credibility.

One TDF doctor published a book and detailed exactly how doping was being done and how they were beating tests. The only thing that happened was the author and publishers were pressured to the point that the book was never published in English. What did the UCI do. Not a dam thing. They ignored the entire episode and tried to discredit the author.

I have no problem with them putting Lance on Trial but they darn well better take a cold hard look at the UCI.
Modesto Mutant

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
The Lance Armstrong/Oprah Winfrey Interview Drinking Game:
http://teusje.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/lance-armstrong-drinking-game.png
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:12am PT
I'm very disappointed with Lance's answers in the interview.

Oprah was pulling teeth, he was guarded, well rehearsed, careful, calculated and still telling lies outright. His body language was very telling.

He could have been so much more forthright and named names but I guess it was too much to expect. Kudos to Tyler for not holding anything back.

Did I hear that Sheryl Crow called him "evil" in an interview recently?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Yeah - he's minimizing what he did.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:28am PT
The only thing really bothering me about all this ...

The Cheif was right.

well one other thing.

The people who's lives he tried and basically succeeded in destroying for telling the truth.

I hope they bleed him dry and get rich doing so.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Jan 18, 2013 - 07:11am PT
Would have been a lot more convincing if the interview would have started with a big fat apology to all the people he called liars, drove out of cycling, and financially wrecked trying to keep his secrets under wraps.

What a train wreck.
apinguat

Trad climber
kingfield, me
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:18am PT
The only thing really bothering me about all this ...

The Cheif was right.

That doesn't bother me I can't figure out his vendetta? Not that there isn't good reason for such an arse he was to other people but anyone who followed cycling those years, knew or should have known they were all on drugs.


Other thing.

The people who's lives he tried and basically succeeded in destroying for telling the truth.

Exactly.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:25am PT
Yeah Bruce, it's true. My oldest Brother got this generation.


Is that why you're a rebel and a pirate? HA!!!

Guys usually go all in for the family trad or fight it.

I've got a buddy I went to survival instructor school with who followed in dad's footsteps. Man, what a dick sometimes! It's all good though, he goes to Drill Instructors Anonymous now.....
JohnnyG

climber
Jan 18, 2013 - 09:05am PT
"listen, I called you crazy, I called you a bitch. I called you all these things, but I never called you fat"

Holy mo, that was surreal.

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