Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France


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Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 15, 2013 - 09:53pm PT

"At least he had the ball to come clean"...


GUD one!!!...(Sh!t and a pun...LOL!!!)

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jan 15, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
W could have least taken the winkies off his bike.

Jan 15, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
If Lance takes down the UCI, I might actually gain a bit of respect for him. It isn't possible for this whole mess to get to this level without the UCI either turning a blind eye or helping.

For those that are stating yeah but everyone doped, yes you are correct because those that decided they wanted to ride clean left the sport or stuck to riding smaller events.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
Is this too harsh?


Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
France is almost as bad as Texas
Cruel but fair
Captain...or Skully

Jan 15, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
I come from a long line of Drill Sergeants.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:56am PT
and what about Armstrong's lawyers?

Mountain climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:42am PT
this whole subject has turned into one of those "hard to look away from a train wreck" type situations. what follows is in response to those who hold up livestrong and armstrong's cancer "research" fundraising as an explanation for why armstrong should be given at least some respect.

admittedly what follows is at this point mostly smoke. but given how pretty much all of the other smoke that's been reported over the last 15 years has turned out to be coming from actual fires, i'd bet hard money that if the feds ever get serious about investigating livestrong they'll find more lies and fraudulent or at least unethical enrichment of armstrong. there are just too many parallels between the way livestrong operates and the way armstrong the brand operates.

i don't have the time to go through all of the allegations but here are a few lowlights:

 "Most people are unaware that there are two Livestrong websites. is the site for the nonprofit Lance Armstrong Foundation, while is a somewhat similar-looking page that features the same Livestrong logo and design but is actually a for-profit content farm owned by Demand Media. ... As compensation for the use of its name, the foundation received about 183,000 shares of stock, which it sold for $3.1 million when the company went public in January 2011. Armstrong also received 156,000 shares of his own as part of a spokesperson agreement. (His agents, Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs, also received shares.) After the deal was criticized in the media, Armstrong donated his initial sale proceeds—roughly $1.2 million—to the foundation and said he planned to donate the rest, too." [emphasis mine] outside

 "Although Armstrong had told Vanity Fair he would be racing for free, he actually pocketed appearance fees in the high six figures from the organizers of both the Tour Down Under and the Giro d’Italia. An Australian government official told reporters that the money was a charitable donation, but Lance himself admitted to The New York Times that he was treating it as personal income." outside

 "In October, Betsy Andreu and Kathy LeMond described to Roopstigo a 2008 email Armstrong had sent to Sen. John Kerry that threatened to use the Livestrong database against the Democratic Party if then-presidential hopeful Barack Obama did not attend the cyclist’s cancer summit." forbes

again those are just to get a person started, there are many more rumours/allegations/etc swirling around regarding the large amount spent on advertising, legal fees, etc.; the mafia like way his lawyers deal with anyone who tries to write stories about livestrong; and on and on.

here are a few more links to save those bored at work the googling:

while i do hope these instances are isolated, baseless, or misinterpreted i'm not going to be holding my breath. as others have pointed out it smells a lot like mortenson all over again.

the more that comes to light the more it looks like armstrong didn't just have cancer, he is a cancer.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:21am PT
I wonder if Lance pauses over his breakfast toast and sees it as a metaphor on where his life has gone?
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Fkn' a$$hole.

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:48am PT

What still get's me is how so many here (And around the fuking WORLD), fell for his stupid BULLSH!T...

Fuking IDIOTS!!!...

and the way so many HERE have taken up for that LYING SACK...

Take a look at yer hero now...

aka the NUTLESS wonder BOIee...


Jan 16, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Not really Locker.

The basic prime human attribute is trust.

We all trust openly with our hearts.

When someone breaks that trust thru nefarious ways like this we become more and more closed.

Society as a whole suffers from actions like this.

Look and see how we've become thru the almost total erosion of trust in our world today by the actions of our leaders thru the long past years ......

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:11pm PT

"We all trust openly with our hearts."...

Well there's a total, LOAD!!!...


Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I too was duped and refused to believe that it was true. Certainly didn't get worked up enough to call names though!
It seems that Lance did a lot of things that resulted in so many people turning against him.

It's worth pointing out (again) that Lance was winning pro triathlons when he was 16, his nickname was "the kid". Should we assume he was doping back then also?

So let's strip all of Lance's TDF titles. Great. Now who gets them? Who in the top 10 was really clean?

It bugs me that Eddy Merckx' five TDF wins are left to to stand. That's bullshít!

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
"Certainly didn't get worked up enough to call names though!"...

Maybe you never posted that you have...

But I'd flat out BET that you have in fact called him NAMES (In yer HEAD and PROBABLY around friends as well)...

And rightfully so...

The dude is a TOTAL disappointment and embarassment to ALL sports...


Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
First you idolize them, then you crucify them. Sport is a dirty business, that’s why I don’t watch it.

Who is Armstrong?
Big Mike

Trad climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Cycling is a total disappointment. Don't they all dope??

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
I come from a long line of Drill Sergeants.

Is this true?

Kennewick wa
Jan 16, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Know a Doper? The UCI's confidential helpline.

The helpline number, which can be accessed from anywhere in the world, is +800 8884 8884.


Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Society as a whole suffers from actions like this.

I would bet that actions like this have been happening since we crawled out of the Great Rift Valley. So we've been suffering a looong time.

Whenever there is a lot at stake, people will lie/cheat/deceive to get an edge. Doesn't matter if it's war, sports, politics, science, or organized religions for that matter.

Doesn't mean a cheater can't do good things too, as Armstrong seems to have done. There's no reason to hate this man. He rode a bicycle fast for Christ's sake and injected stuff into his own veins. Sure, strip him of the "awards" since he cheated. Ok. But leave it at that. There's no need for anger.

The lesson is not to idolize anyone or trust people blindly. Something every society falls short on at points along the way.
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