Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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John M

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 02:17am PT
Seems like Nicole Cooke's story as posted by Riley is more of an underdog. Refusing to use drugs against people who do take drugs.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 15, 2013 - 02:23am PT
All the drama is ridiculous - they all doped and the sport is completely corrupt. And 'fix' it? You might as well try to clean up NFL and NBA betting in Chicago's corner bars - ain't going happen.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 15, 2013 - 07:23am PT
It will be interesting to see if Lance goes down on Oprah today. It doesn't look like he has any other choice.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 15, 2013 - 07:32am PT
Lance going down on Oprah...? Uuggh...
WTF

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 07:45am PT
Oprah omg. You know that's a cheese filled old crusty .........


Lance you pussy. Say nothing who cares your a bike rider for f*#ks sake. Your not important in any real aspect of life.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:10am PT
The UCI is probably going down too (though not on Oprah).
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:47am PT
He may not be the biggest douche bag of them all. He got caught, eventually. But who has done worse, gotten farther, and not been caught yet? The biggest douche bag evil sociopath kitten eating predator might still be out there. Ooooooooo.

Apparently, society hates someone who gets caught as much as it loves someone who doesn't.

Dave
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:53am PT
He's lying! He would never dope!
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Same as it ever was, Dave.

Lol, DrlJefe.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Jan 15, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Just heard a sound bite of Oprah on Npr, on the way to work, where she said ,to paraphrase, Lance did not come clean like I expected.
bpter

Social climber
Somewhere
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
o here are some of the questions we hope Oprah asked Lance:

1. Why now, Lance? Is it because in one potential perjury case the statute of limitations has passed? Is it because you've already lost almost all your sponsors, had to step back from your foundation and are no longer getting the attention you once earned?

Did you have to lose nearly everything until you sought the only possible out? And at this point, why are you worth listening to at all?

2. Why are you doing this with me, Oprah Winfrey? I'm not known for my cycling knowledge or for pointed follow-up questions or my investigative journalistic skills. In fact, it's the opposite.

Wouldn't sitting down with Scott Pelley at "60 Minutes" have been a more legitimate forum? How about the Sunday Times of London, which you sued for libel for printing the truth? Or any of the French or American media that you bashed all along when in fact they weren't wrong at all?

You always fashioned yourself as a tough guy, Lance. You beat cancer for crying out loud, why go soft now?

3. Let's talk Betsy Andreu, the wife of one your former teammates, Frankie. Both Andreus testified under oath that they were in a hospital room in 1996 when you admitted to a doctor to using EPO, HGH and steroids. You responded by calling them "vindictive, bitter, vengeful and jealous." And that's the stuff we can say on TV. Would you now label them as "honest?"

And what would you say directly to Betsy, who dealt with a voicemail from one of your henchmen that included, she's testified, this:

"I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head. I also hope that one day you have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy that will definitely make an impact on you."

When you heard about that voicemail, why didn't you call Betsy and apologize then?

4. By the way, did you take performance-enhancing drugs prior to your diagnosis of testicular cancer, as Betsy Andreu, who I now have every single reason to believe, says you admitted to doing? Do you think it played a role in your diagnosis?

And while the reason you contracted cancer does nothing to diminish the intensity of your battle, or the great example of strength it provided, don't you think it would've been an essential part of your public campaign against the disease to mention that you used performance-enhancing drugs?

5. Just to get it on the record, because the way things are going I'm pretty sure this will come out at a later date, did you or your minions ever pressure federal authorities to stall out investigations into your doping?

Now, you wouldn't lie to me, right Lance?

6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?

In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."

Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.

She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.

"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."

Do you want to apologize to her? Not in general. I mean directly and by name. I mean, Lance, of all the people to attack like that, of all the people you had power and wealth over, you had to go after her? How Lance, could you do this to someone, and why would anyone want to believe again in someone capable of doing this to someone?


7. In 2011, former teammate Tyler Hamilton spoke about you and doping on "60 Minutes." He later said you two ran into each other in a Colorado restaurant where he says you tried to intimidate him, saying, "I'm going to make your life a living hell both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom."

Yet you knew he was telling the truth, right Lance? So why threaten him?

8. Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour de France champion, once raised the following hypothetical question: "If Lance's story is true, it's the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If it's not, it's the greatest fraud."

The allegation is that you heard that and decided to use your influence with Trek bikes to drop its association with LeMond's brand. The company even went to court to end a long-term contract. "Greg's public comments hurt the LeMond brand and the Trek brand," a company official said at the time.

What comment? Wondering about something that was true?

The move cost LeMond millions. Did you try to ruin him financially simply for spite?

9. We've just scratched the surface on people you pushed around. There are more victims in your wake. Do you want me to continue with the others?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html;_ylt=Ao1lB44.tVD8JExRa_YvRzY5nYcB;_ylu=


That is what this deal is all about. The financial agony, defamation of character and total disrespect that Lance put on all those around him that did not go along with his plan.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Whoa, my give-a-shit meter just dropped way below zero!!
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
It's probably not in his nature to admit defeat. People who win that much, even with doping, have a certain drive that would be hard to overcome.

Heck, look at what happens on this forum when people get a bit competitive!

Dave
WBraun

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
This isn't about YOU survival nor any of you here on this forum.

Whether you give a sh!t or not does not matter one iota.

This is about this total POS aszhole who worked so hard to destroy anyone that got in his way for his own financial gain .....
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 15, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
IMO no one can deny Lance's story is the greatest underdog story ever written. Its all about the man in the arena. Fvucke the critics.


Roughster, I'm puzzled by your criteria for "righteousness" or whatever it is that you seem to hold as the epitome of success. No one is doubting the guys drive or work ethic, It is his moral ethic that is seriously destroyed. If your success criteria is limited to doing whatever it takes then yeah sure he's a success, but so are most gangsters who also come from poor and humble beginnings. As your analogy with business goes, true that success at all cost seems to be the moral criteria, but that is a moral failing of society to reward them for those standards.

Like it or not, those bike riders had rules to operate under and he and they cheated. All sport is mythologized as a pure ideal of physical human endeavor that will be rewarded if those ideals are maintained. I really doubt LA is a sociopath or anything so pathological. In all likelyhood he simply followed an ethic of business / gangsterism instead of a sport ethic as his model to attain success.

Fortunately, society isn't quite that fuked in the head, so he gets his ass handed to him on a plate. For sure pretty much the whole sport deserves the same treatment. It needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up.

He created some great spinoffs. No reason why they should unduly suffer just through association, but his personal empire should be burn't to the ground. If he's such a noble survivor that will be no big deal and in fact if he's so freaking crafty such a move he could leverage to advantage. Oprah should destroy him on his abysmal ethical behavior, and suggest he pursue redemption.

I read his little book as my wife slowly died of cancer. I thought it was really inspiring.

However the fuking liar left a few details out if I recall.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 15, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
At least the top 20 riders on the tour are ALL doping. They have teams whose job it is to make sure they don't get busted. They all lie. It is pathetic that so many people sit around and watch other people on drugs ride their god damn bikes. Do your own drugs, ride your own bikes. Regardless, I love my pathetic friends :)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 15, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
This is about this total POS aszhole who worked so hard to destroy anyone that got in his way for his own financial gain .....


Like Getty, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Weyerhaeuser, Ford, Walton, Cruise,
etc etc etc?

And what's that got to do with YOU swami?

Think hard, give-a-shit meter still below zero.....

Stupid Americans.
bpter

Social climber
Somewhere
Jan 15, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
At least the top 20 riders on the tour are ALL doping.

They sure did.

But not one of those riders imposed the financial agony, personal defamation of character agenda and turmoil on all those that got in their way of fame and fortune in building their personal empire as did Lance Armstrong in the past 16 plus years.

This one really strikes me as truly sad and morally pathetic. I really hope that she goes after him for all that he has and puts him out to lunch.

6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?

In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."

Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.

She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.

"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."

Do you want to apologize to her? Not in general. I mean directly and by name. I mean, Lance, of all the people to attack like that, of all the people you had power and wealth over, you had to go after her? How Lance, could you do this to someone, and why would anyone want to believe again in someone capable of doing this to someone?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html;_ylt=Ao1lB44.tVD8JExRa_YvRzY5nYcB;_ylu=


Like Getty, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Weyerhaeuser, Ford, Walton, Cruise, etc etc etc?

So it is OK with you "SURVIVAL" to completely fk over anyone that gets in your way of success.

Got it!

More like morally pathetic self-centered Americans.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 15, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
No, it's not ok "BPTER"!!

But why is Lancey boy worth more attention than all the other rich as#@&%es in the world?

Oh, ok, got it.
WBraun

climber
Jan 15, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Yes stupid Americans

The year 2012 consisted of a continuous sequence of destructive acts by Congress and the White House.

In a final destructive act, the Senate passed the National Defense Authorization Act for 2013.

This act continues the unconstitutional grant of power to the executive branch to violate all rights of US citizens.

In the US laws cannot take precedence over the Constitution.

Yet, we now have successive National Defense Authorization Acts that render the Bill of Rights moot.

There is no public uproar over the idea that national defense requires that US citizens lose the protection of law that is granted by the US Constitution.

When citizens stand defenseless before their own government, what national defense do they have?

The obvious conclusion is that most Americans are indifferent to liberty and are content with tyranny.
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