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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 05:35am PT
Let's take for starters the mine owners that killed my grandfather (and maybe yours too).

zBrown, after my motherís father (both of my grandfathers were judges, in Olympia, WA and Wheeling, West Virginia), Papa Casey retired from the bench he gave his legal services for free to the miners and steel workers, working against the mine owners and steel owners. I havenít seen it, but my cousins have, a statue of Papa Casey in Pittsburgh, PA.

Ken M, the point I was trying to get across was that Armstrong hurt people for his own gain.

Here in Ireland the press has focused on Emma OíReilly and Lanceís treatment of Paul Kimmage. No doubt because they are Irish people he went out of his way to slander.

But there are a lot of people he slandered and libeled and sued and gained.

And Ken, actually, cancer has not been a problem in our family for the most part. But sh*t happens. And none of them were smokers.

If you are a physician, your comment about me would make sure I stay away from you. It was sort of mean, wasnít it.

GLillegard, and Guernica, thank you. I would imagine and hope that Ken is a good doc, but he was rankled by my judging of LA.

Ken M, I don't know what to say to you.

EDIT

Ken, I don't know what caused Lance's cancer, and I'd certainly hope his Lifestrong organization has helped cancer victims, but was it built on a house of cards? Did he benefit from it? Some investigative journalists say he did, but as my former editors used to say, substantiate, substantiate, substantiate, if in doubt leave it out.

There are a lot of worthy organizations out there for cancer victims.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 20, 2013 - 05:45am PT
Patrick
Ken M is far off on this one. Just let him go or ask him if he as an expert in his field can document the link between criticism (or negativity as he says) and cancer.

Edited:
A funny part of this - if you take Ken by his words - and think that criticism is negativity and negativity is causing cancer - then Ken is now exposing himself to a higher risk of getting cancer because he is criticising you.

On snow: It's not snowing in Oslo. The inner part of the city is nearly free of snow, but out i the woods around Oslo there is snow and people are skiing.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 05:55am PT
Thanks Marlow, but I would hope and imagine that Ken M is not that mean of person, I probably just wrote some things he didn't agree with.

I could be wrong, but it seems like he is a supporter of Armstrong.

Cancer is horrible.

So is dementia.

I know a lot about both in recent years. But I am not a medical professional. Three years of pre-med and a certified EMT 1, and a medical journalist does not make me know all.

But I try to learn.

Lance Armstrong hurt people. Period. He may have also helped people. When does the bad negate the good?


EDIT

Hey Marlow, is it snowing in Oslo? Or is that a trick question?

It's trying to snow in Dublin, inland and higher up, but here in Dalkey, so close to the sea, the sea moderates the weather more.

Aer Lingus has cancelled flights to London and Paris due to the snow hitting Europe, not that Jennie and I have the money to travel to London or Paris. Nice would be nice (Jen lived there for three years in the mid-1970s, and I worked in ProvenÁe in 1982).

What's it like in California, fellow Taco Standers? Tuolumne Meadows and 120 open? Or is that a trick question?

And for the other non-California Supertopians, how's the weather?

I'd imagine too cold for bicycle racing.

My first race, in a Bay Area High School circuit, was a hill climb in El Cerrito (1971), I just wanted the $10 prize to buy a lid. Came in fourth place, inches behind the other three... they all had the proper shorts, shoes etc, all I had was tennies, cut-offs and a Pogliaghi. I still have the yellow ribbon in a box somewhere.

So yes, I raced for drugs.

But I preferred climbing.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jan 20, 2013 - 09:42am PT
The truth can be revealed. I am the father of Oprah's love-child.


I feel so dirty. Eww.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 09:48am PT
Twisted Crank, Oprah/Opera (who I actually like as an entertainer, but she is a weak journalist). She is worth to close to $3bn, if you are the product of being a father of a love-child of hers, ask her for a loan. ;-)

I am sure she can afford it.

Just be careful of what interest rate she charges you.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Ken M, I don't know your background, but if you are a MD, I would hope you are a good one.

Lance Armstrong aside (and he sure played Oprah for what it is worth, clever guy, but when you set out to hurt and slander people, karma will catch up with you).

I have been a full-time carer for over two years for my partner (Korsakoff's Syndrome), not getting paid much (Carer's Allowance something I could make in a couple of hours as a hack).

I have learned a lot, and I have a real good team behind me (doctors, nurses, carers) but sometimes it seems that when Jennie is lucid, that she knows more than I do. She lost her husband to cancer in 1990, and her partner to cancer in 2004.

If you want to make light of the subject, go on Steve Wilkos's show or Jeremy Kyle's show.

Cancer sucks.

You should know that, and yet, and perhaps I am wrong, you want to use it as a barb against me because it seems we disagree about Armstrong.

I am trying me best to get through life and take care of a beautiful and lovely woman. And you want to use me as a dart board.

Lance Armstrong has hurt people, and yet he is going to come out smelling like roses, just watch his thorns.

IMO, LA should be prosecuted, sued and stuck in prison. He hurt people deliberately. Wrongfully. Just imagine how those people feel. And see him smirking at Oprah, knowing he is a multi-millionaire and has the funds to fight off any rear-guard action.

Life is not fair, and he just proves it.


EDIT

As a journalist for seven years in England and now living in Ireland for 17 tears plus, most doctors I have come across are superb, just two have been smug, a GP and the other, an orthopedic surgeon censured by the Medical Board.

Just because you have a medical degree, don't be smug with me.

Make light about cancer in my family, if you will, but I am glad I am not one of your patients.

Lance Armstrong, whatever you may think, has ruined people's reputations and finances. If you think so highly of him, offer to be his doctor, I think it would suit.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 10:52am PT
The arrogance of some doctors/physicians can be astounding. Thankfully, I have run across only a few. For the most part, docs I have had to deal with in Kaiser/Tuolumne General and other places in California, in England, France, Ireland, Spain, have been good docs.

I wonder what sort of doctors Lance Armstrong was dealing with?

Most medical professionals subscribe to the Hippocratic Oath, unfortunately there are some that believe in the hypocritical oath.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 20, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Patrick Sawyer...Everybody knows it never snows when fog is present...! Stop the negative male energy... : ] RJ
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:00pm PT


Anybody that deffends that LYING SACK of SH!T is nothing more than a FOOL...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
I still think lance never doped ....Take that Locker....RJ
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Hey Rotting Johnny, I getcha, but I am not trying to be negative.

Ken M, if you and I can come up with some instant cure for hiccups, we could make it rich. No it is not food or booze, maybe nerves. But I have been hicupping for over an hour now. Tried everything but standing on my head.

I blame Lance. Ha ha. ;-)
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:28pm PT


Ken is currently on his knees in front of Lance...

You'll have to wait a looooooooooooooooog time for a response Patrick...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Locker...It's a good thing Lance has just one nut or Ken would be there much longer...RJ
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:44pm PT


Doesn't he have one FAKE one, also???...

Maybe we should ask Ken about it since he's been there for hours, inspecting it...




EDITED:

"Locker, show some RESPECT for the good doctor."...


I thought I was...

;-)





High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Locker, show some RESPECT for the good doctor.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:53pm PT

^^^

Just WONDERING...

Are you on your knees in front of Ken, while he is on his knees in front of Lance???...

Human Cetepede 4???...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
Locker...That's called an echelon not a centipede...
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 20, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
It's all because Lance's step-dad whooped him with a paddle, and his real daddy was what Lance called a "sperm donor". Loves to suffer to protect his real mother from his tyrannical step-papa. Martyr complex.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 20, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Come on folks, let's be 'decent'.

This thread is not about Ken or me or any of us.

But about somebody who cheated and yes others in his line of work did too.

But Armstrong was vindictive.

He deliberately went out to slander, libel and sue people.. too ruin their lives, so he could gain financially and try and keep his reputation intact.

If his charity helped cancer victims, okay fair play.

But Armstrong has proven to be a chancer, and as some articles suggest, he will come out looking much better. But what about the people he wrongfully hurt? Do any of you Armstrong supporters give a toss about them?

Cheating is one thing. Deliberately ruining people's lives is another.

If some of you cannot understand that, I pity you.


And Ken M I still have the bloody hiccups. They subsided for a while but are back. If we can come up with an instant cure, we could become richer than Lance.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 20, 2013 - 02:24pm PT

Ken isn't the only one that can be an ASSHOLE...

and if dude can't handle the ribbing???...

Well, he can get right back in front of Lance and have at it!!!...




Right Ken???...





EDITED:

Back to the subject at hand...




There really isn't much else to be said about the CHEATER...

He's a piece of CRAP no matter how you slice it...

What I STILL don't get is how so many people fell for it...

Just goes to show you how DENIAL can seep in most anywhere...





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