Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Feb 20, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Rob, that's so true!
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Feb 20, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Best comment I heard on the radio...."Now we're going to see a lot of competitors walking bikes up hills"
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 20, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Maybe won't see these times on the Alpe anymore, but no walking!!!


Rank Time Name Year Nationality Evidence/Allegations that the athlete engaged in doping during his career
1 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy Alleged drug use during 1997 due to high hermatrocite levels
2* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States 2004 Tour de France title stripped by UCI in 2012
3 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy Alleged drug use during 1994 due to high hermatrocite levels
4 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States 2001 Tour de France title stripped by UCI in 2012
5 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy Alleged drug use during 1995 due to high hermatrocite levels
6 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
7 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States Stripped of 2006 Tour de France title
8 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany Alleged doping during 2006 Tour de France
9* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France Admitted to doping in 2000
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain Failed a test for EPO in 2007
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany Alleged use of illegal blood transfusions in 2006
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland Admitted taking EPO in 1998
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark Alleged drug use during 1995 due to high hermatrocite levels
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany Found guilty of doping in later career
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg Tested positive for xipamide at the 2012 Tour de France
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan Failed a blood doping test in 2007
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States 2003 Tour de France title stripped by USADA in 2012
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain Tested positive for clenbuterol in 2010. After a 18 month court case he was retroactively banned for 2 years and therefore lost all 2011 results and titles
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France Admitted using amphetamines in 1989
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain Tested positive for a steroid-masking agent in 1988[17]
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States Admitted to doping in 2005-06
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States
* The 2004 stage was an individual time trial.
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Feb 20, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
I'm going with #17 as #1, Carlos in '08.

OK....well....I guess I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 22, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
This could get interesting.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/sources-feds-will-reverse-course-and-join-landis-suit_275504
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Feb 22, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Fuq Lance, he walked away from helping the sport that made him what he is (or actually what everyone else though he was and thereby made him a mega millionare).

What a dick.

Kudos to Tyler and Floyd...oh yes.

The young racers that are players now need Lance to come clean to help their futures. It's clear that the Omerta is still strong with many old timers with sway in the sport....like fuqing Ekimov.

No one else has the potential to do more good for the sport, so where the hell is he?

I repeat.."what a dick." And what arrogance.

Check this out.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/sources-feds-will-reverse-course-and-join-landis-suit_275504
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
There may be a bigger impact on cleaning up the sport if he drags it out. Gives more time for more info to come out to take the UCI down. He was allowed to do what he did.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
I'm going with number 18, Gianni Bugno.....Buns of steel and now flying rescue chopper in the dolomites...He's probably met the Chief at some point in time....RJ
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Feb 22, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
I can't wait to watch the 2013 Tour De France
I don't give a sh#t about Lance or the whole doping fiasco, I just like watching the racing
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Feb 22, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
DR.F. I agree 100%.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Just what was Sheryl Crow going to be charged with?

Yanqui si, gestapo no! No?

Apparently, when federal agents approached Crow in 2011, she was reportedly offered a deal to avoid prosecution by telling what she'd seen. The Washington Post reported that, according to the book, Crow then told a Food and Drug Administration investigator that she'd seen her ex receiving the illegal transfusion.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
All inteteresting guesses, but as far as I can discern Crow never testified before a grand jury, nor any other jury. Likewise, there appears to be no occasion where she testified under oath, thus no perjury.

Clearly this is just brown-shirt bullying at it's worst.

Conspiracy is a great catch all, used whenever there is no good evidence of any other chargeable offense.

Armstrong's relationship with Sheryl Crow was revealed in detail in Coyle's 2005 book, Lance Armstrong's War. In the newer tome, a footnote claims that Crow "was subpoenaed weeks before the grand jury probe's closure."


The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Holy shet Riley... we agree!
Bad Climber

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Read Tyler Hamilton's The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour de France

It's a gripping and constantly interesting read--at least for me. Lance still comes across as a dic*, but you have more sympathy for doping in general. For Tyler, certainly, and I guess for most of the riders doing it, it was dope or go home--not something easily done after you've spent half your life getting to that point. Check it out.

BAds
SalNichols

Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
Oct 11, 2013 - 06:05am PT
Name someone in that era that was clean. Hell, name ANYONE from the Merkcc era forward that was clean, ans I mean of ANY drug, because amphetamines were in common use for decades in the pro peloton.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Oct 11, 2013 - 11:17am PT
a feel good read-
Cyclist Gino Bartali honored by Holocaust museum


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cyclist-gino-bartali-honored-holocaust-museum
mitchy

Trad climber
new england
Oct 11, 2013 - 11:30am PT
Haters gonna hate. Lance Armstrong was railroaded, just because he was kickin' everybody's ass for so long. It's too bad. He was a hell of a cyclist.
jammer

climber
Oct 11, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
to say haters gonna hate and that Lance was just that good is to miss some fundamental points and implications of the whole thing IMO. As far as I know, it wasn't that cycling was dirty and that this was inherently bad. It's being spun that way by certain people. That is another issue all together.

The problem with Lance as I understand it was that he was essentially ok'd by Cycling's "governing body" to cheat significantly more so than the other competitors. From some of the stuff I have read, I am left with the impression that Lance was just at best a middle of the pack cyclist getting a lot of support, so much so that he was unbeatable. What made him special was his "story" and what he could do to bring attention and therefore money to cycling, not his actual cycling ability.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Oct 11, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Almost anyone would agree that there was (still is, IMO) a problem with doping during the "Lance" era. For that, he probably only deserves extra scrutiny for his doping because he had big $$$$ and that meant he had the best drugs, advice and options for using them. It would be even more scandalous if there was evidence that the UCI itself was complicit (McQuaid is his own version of a**hole) in covering up Lance's doping positives.

Lance isn't getting trashed because everyone's a "hater". He is getting trashed now because he acted like vermin and was a borderline sociopath towards anyone that dared to disagree with his version of the truth. And he deserves it (again, my own opinion). The dude walked away with $100 million that he cheated and lied for...what's not to hate, frankly?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Oct 11, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
He's still got one sponsor.

Credit: The Larry
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