Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France

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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 18, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Dehli Dog, it was a PR job, get it?

His advisors told him, come clean and you will clean up.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Jan 18, 2013 - 07:55am PT
wonder how much he got...
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:03am PT
He will get off scot free, but the people he has slandered and libeled, and the monies he has received from endorsements, will have a fight on their hands, and Armstrong will still clean up.

I don't know if should be surprised, amazed or befuddled at the Armstrong supporters on this form.

He won't be paying for your mortgage, healthcare or climbing gear.
rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:05am PT
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong--arrogant-and-unaware--did-little-to-repair-his-image-in-mea-culpa-with-oprah-062222144.html

sing to the tune of Hendrix's Foxy Lady: / / "toxic!" / / "toxic!"...

Heroes Of Dystopia
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:19am PT
Wetzel is great and he's spot on with this.

Lance will never repair the damage he's done. What I hope though is that he goes under oath and does even more damage.... to cycling. That sport is so full of cheaters from the top to the bottom. I want to see just how far up the chain the cheaters go. Tell the truth. Expose it all. And let the sh#t fly.
nah000

Mountain climber
canuckistan
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:35am PT
in case there are people who saw the interview or the headlines and don't know a few of the intricacies.

any time a question might prove armstrong was part of a larger conspiracy and/or might increase the likelihood that he'll see jail time, he either punted or lied again. in the interview:

1. he says he didn't actually threaten or fire people who wouldn't use ped on his team. reality is his contract gave him this power and there are multiple cyclists who have gone on record saying they were threatened and/or fired by lance himself.

2. he punted on the question of whether betsy andreu had been telling the truth. why? because he's already lied in court testimony about this and in all likelihood his lawyers have advised him against talking about this to try and keep him out of jail or save him some money.

3. he said he never bribed the uci or had them cover up the 2001 tour of switzerland doping infractions. too much smoke surrounding this to still find this believable. hamilton and landis have testified to the contrary, there was indeed a donation of $125k just after this allegedly happened, and the lab head saugy admits to meeting with lance armstrong [saugy denies it was to help armstrong circumvent epo tests, but then also says "it's a fundamental right for the sportsmen to know the scientific basis of an analysis"].

4. he claims not to have doped in 2009 or 2010. at this point i'll take scientific analysis that says he has a one in a million chance of not cheating in 09/10, over someone who's still punting and lying.

if you want an emotional summary of some of the above here is betsy andreu:

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/01/18/ac-armstrong-andreu-reacts-to-intv.cnn

tl;dr lance armstrong, once again, did liestrong.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:36am PT
The news clips of these backstabbing, small, jealous little weasels getting on national news and "naming names" made me cringe.

They were all doing the exact same thing, the only difference was the outcome on race day. Why all the names? Jealousy.

These team handmaids were the most disgusting.

I would have preferred a 10 minute "map room" confession over an epic 1.5 hr commercial filled sh#t show.

I have never watched Opra before. Why is she so successful? She is an absolutely terrible and incompetent interviewer.

What good would an epic list of names be, why are people so interested, and what gives them the right to even know? Another list will replace them.

The answer is in testing - which is constantly improving - and busting people when they can - not some f*#k-tarded public court of inquiry.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2013 - 09:30am PT
The only thing really bothering me about all this ...

The Cheif was right.

To even throw that into this entire issue is so sad.

I am absolutely no one compared to the entire mix of those that have been trying to tell you all out there that he was "evil" for over 17 years.

Shall we start with Betsy! LA's attitude towards her was less than authentic. Despicable comes to mind. And that is NOT my term but that of many others. He continued his self-centered arrogant attitude towards this entire fiasco when discussing Betsy last night. That sealed his fate as not being one bit remorseful in his supposed coming out.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/betsy-andreu-furious-and-close-to-tears-after-armstrong-interview

Sadly, many of those die hard LA followers out there will continue to defend his behavior. Even that which we saw last night.

Along with LA, he and they still do not get it.

That is why this entire mess has occurred.

Most will unlikely get that as well.....
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 19, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Well, I just watched the entire interview with Oprah.

I don't see how his mea culpa could've been any stronger. It seemed to me he was candid and he's begun to hold himself accountable. We're human, we can get caught up in things. It seems to me this is what happened to him.

People have done way worse things in our history, even recently. Since his acts didn't affect me personally - I have no dog in this fight - I choose to save my worst adjectives and nouns (some of which I've read here and on the web) for way worse scoundrels in the world.

The fact remains. He recovered from Stage 3 cancer. He's a Stage 3 cancer survivor. Along with this is a survivor story, his survivor story, that has inspired many (cancer patients and their loved ones) and will continue to inspire many. This shouldn't be forgotten among the rest.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 19, 2013 - 02:43pm PT


"He recovered from Stage 3 cancer. He's a Stage 3 cancer surivor"...


I WONDER if there is a chance that his cancer was caused by the DOPE use???...



Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Why do some of you people still support this guy?

His lies have hurt people.

he has hurt people deliberately..., financially, reputation wise, etc, he is just a scumbag and there are still some of you how think he is, alright.

Unbelievable. You people need to look in the mirror at yourselves.

Lance Armstrong screwed people, and it appears that some of you think that is okay. Sad. Very sad.
WBraun

climber
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Stupid Americans saying he's a cancer survivor.

He didn't survive anything.

He spread his cancerous self onto everything he touched .......
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Werner

+1 ^^^
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Armstrong ruined people's lives for financial gain. Don't some of you get it?

He ruined people's lives. And some of you still look on him as some sort of hero.

And look behind the books of Livestrong. Who profitted?

There are better way to support cancer victims.

I lost my closest brother on May 18 to cancer and two good cousins last year as well and my sister to breast cancer in 2011.

And there are people on this forum who are battling cancer. What the f*ck has Armstrong, worth around $125m, done for any of them of them?

He profited from his cheating and he profited from his so-called cancer charity, maybe helping a couple of sufferers.

How in the world can some of you still support the scumbag?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
The biggest "I dont give a f*#k" ever!!!!

Can we move on now?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
Bluering^^^

Obviously an Armstrong supporter. Why does that not surprise me.

He f*#ked people's lives up, Bluering, but you don't mind do you? You want to move on. Tard.

I'd bet you would do the same, you greedy self-centered, ah, person. Screw other people and reap the benefits. You make me sick. I have always held off trying to insult or flame you, but you just showed your true colors with your post.

Step on anybody to make a profit. Money, money, money and to hell with anybody else. Armstrong and you should be cabin buddies.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 19, 2013 - 03:31pm PT

So MANY here through the years have deffended that piece of sh1t lying fuk...

Check out your IDOL now...



LMAO!!!...

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 19, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Armstrong ruined people's lives for financial gain. Don't some of you get it?

If you cast that net, then your gonna get an awful lot of fishes.

Let's take for starters the mine owners that killed my grandfather (and maybe yours too).

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 19, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Locker, I do not believe I misspelled survivor. :)

Hey, post up that good looking ass from a couple years ago, I'd like to see that one again. If memory serves she was young and thin and wearing a light brown bikini bottom.

.....

Regarding LA, I can separate his successes (e.g., his recovery from stage 3 cancer and the inspiration this is or would be for other stage 3 patients) from his failures.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 19, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
Patrick, with your very negative attitude, it seems clear why there is so much cancer in your family. All that negativity......

You get the sense that you are the latest in history in wanting to be the head inquisitor, who has God speaking into his hear as to who is guilty, what punishments they deserve....all without knowing them.

You appear to think that if you read everything that every detractor has written about Armstrong, you know everything about the man.

The only thing really bothering me about all this ...

The Cheif was right.


the Chief was wrong. He argued against due process, against the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

THAT was the basis of most people's support of Armstrong on this thread. The issue of the American concept of due process.

Armstrong is clearly guilty of doping. However, MANY MANY people, including many of his critics, made their livings off of him. To me, the whole lousy bike racing industry is dirty. I can't fathom the reason for continuing it. The focus on Armstrong seems narrow.
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