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moacman

Trad climber
Montana
Aug 29, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
I am a true atheist so help me god.........

Stevo
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
Sorry, But Ferne is gone
accept it, then you will feel better about it

edit
if he/she a Christian, then Fenre is in Hell, since he/she didn't surrender his soul to Jesus
If he was a Buddhist, then Ferne will reincarnate

But still there is no workable theory that accepts any kind of afterlife for birds
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
+1000 for what Crimpie wrote
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:25pm PT
anybody remember before they were born? There you go. Ever spend a sleepless night over that question?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
Just got home. Why would you people promote this thread with atheist spelled wrong in lieu of Khanom's? How sloppy is that! Christians and Muslims (Jews too) must love it. Maybe it's a vast Christian conspiracy!

Maybe I'll start a... I love the Chistian life.

.....

I see you, Crimpers.



Dr. F., there's a time for facts and there is a time for empathy. If you don't get that, just go away for awhile, pause for the cause.

.....

Food for thought: athy... athier... athiest

athy (made-up definition): angry, aggro, mean

 an athy atheist :)
  QT Who's the athiest atheist at super topo? ANS Nobody. They're all very kind, compassionate and friendly, through and through.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
One must simply listen to Joseph Campbell's "Power of Myth" in order to realize that all religions are just culturally specific mythology, the same stories repeating over and over that give the recipients answers and structure to the profound mystery we confront.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:36pm PT
Thanks Fruity

But I think Crimper is big Girl
and wrote this now to say that she accepts that her dear Ferne is gone
Rest his/her soul in peace
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 29, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
Crimpy said:

But man, I want more than anything to know Ferne still is and is well and that I'll see him again.

16 years now my dad has been gone and I feel the same way about him as you do Ferne
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
It's too bad me and Fruity could never team up
He is just a little judgemental to aid a fellow traveler, and instead bites the hand that feeds him
TomT

Trad climber
Aptos.
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
I'll check in as atheist (non-theist??). Was raised conservative baptist, in a big church in Los Gatos Calif, even went to a small christian college for a year, and worked for a christian outdoor org for years afterward. I was really into it in a cultural practices sort of way- went to church meetings 5 days a week, even ran a bible study at 6 am on Tuesdays during high-school. Wanted to be a missionary -seemed like the best adventure available. After leaving my religion, to keep the peace, I called myself an agnostic till a few years ago, when on reflection I realized I didn't really believe there was any god, and might as well admit it.

The church was a very social place, I loved singing, but its focus on moral conduct was not that important for me as I never got in much trouble. Once I stopped all religious practice such as bible study prayer, worship) I do miss singing- I lost any longing for the church. After leaving my home church, I lost all interest in the bible, religion and got more interested in history, society and culture, subjects my church or other christian friends did not discuss. My church seemed to be very provincial (the only things of interest were a few hundred years around the time of Jesus in Palestine and everything since 1946 in my home town.

I traveled a lot, climbed a lot, and went to school a lot for the next 10 years and got an graduate degree in anthropology, live in the Andes for a couples of years in small villages, and have worked in a University for many years hence.

My biggest doubts about my religion and there being a god sprung from noting (like my mother) that the people in our church were not better people than the catholics , mormons or anyone else on our block. Also, despite fervent prayers, I realized around 18 that god didn't really talk to me , and suddenly the bible seemed to be horribly off topic, a collection of weird old stories in which people seemed desperate to find truths. At bible studies, we practiced something I later learned is hermeneutics, extracting meaning from verses- I learned I didn't need the bible to find meanings or guidance.

Also, I began to see how the people in my church were conflating things like free enterprise and bible ideas (which as far as I could read into the bible leaned more towards spiritual collectivism than free market, nation-state, urban industrialism ). As a group they supported the Vietnam war, and the older people in the church seemed perfectly happy to send off 19 year boys to die on their behalf while they stayed home and made money. I concluded that most of the people in my church were shaped more by the economy and consumer culture than their religious beliefs. And they are were not alone- everyone in the world seems to mix political, economic and spiritual stuff, most of them defending stridently what their parents told them was the truth, while knowing very little about others.

Finally, historical stuff like the disease and the land wars that lead to losing most Native Americans in the first 100 years following the arrival of Europeans was not an event that made any sense with a benevolent new testament god in charge (maybe an old testament god).

Anyway, one day I just let go of the church and religion, and have never looked back (except for friendships). I don't seem to have much need for the supernatural, miss some of the social practices, especially singing together.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 3, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
The demographics are clear, sell your Bibles and Korans while they still have some value.
Good fiction has a long shelf life but in this case.....
Actually the Old Testament might do okay; plenty of sex, murder and betrayal.

People who identify themselves as atheist, agnostic or no religion by date of birth.

Before 1946 5%
1946 to 1966. 11%
1965 to 1976. 14%
1977 to present 19%

Maybe we would have been better off staying with the Queen. More pomp and circumstance to liven things up, healthcare for all, and 65% of Brits say they are non-religious and 39% don't believe in god.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk
jstan

climber
Sep 3, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
Considerable data suggests at death or other serious perturbation in brain function, very unusual sensations and thoughts appear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=Cpc-t-Uwv1I&v=UyyjU8fzEYU&annotation_id=annotation_973232

Some of those thoughts and sensations are even suggestive of popular models for what happens after death. Many people have survived these kinds of experience over the ages so these popular reports are actually what one would expect.

I see no evidence suggesting there is an afterlife so I take it there will be no reunion with loved ones either physical or mental.........but

at death I think it likely we will be thinking about someone we lost. That would be a reunion.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Sep 3, 2012 - 05:32pm PT
It may sound trivial to you, but it was the death of Ferne, my parrot. I saw him conceived. I still have the egg he hatched from. I raised him. I have feathers he molted throughout his life. He was (is) my baby as much as any human baby could have been. Possibly more. And he died unexpectedly on New Year's Eve. That pain was (is) indescribable


Someone expressed to me, when I joined ST, that everyone liked you, Crimpie, because of your propriety, kindness and good will.

I think he must have included sincerity , in that too.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Sep 3, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
Re-reading my post it occurred to me probably not everyone understands my "I see you" comment to Crimpers. That's taken from Na' vi (the film, Avatar, all the rage a couple of years ago) more or less meaning, I get it, I get you.

Great testimonials, by Tom and others. Wish it were all under one thread that's spelled correctly, though.

Tom, that's such a worthy, meaningful post you might add it to the other thread, too!

Crimpers, too, of course.

.....

On the other hand, atheist climbers are so increasing in numbers nowadays that eventually we might need two threads, lol - one for those who "love" atheist life or lifestyle, the other for those who merely "like" it. :)

It's all good.
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