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Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 25, 2012 - 09:58pm PT
If = guessing.
No, If means IF, it has nothing to do with guessing

Have you ever read a dictionary?

Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Aug 25, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
I worship Ra. Dozens of pyramids can't be wrong.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 25, 2012 - 10:35pm PT
Here is the reality that converted me from a God believer to an Atheist

The concept of an Afterlife,
If you think about this concept logically, scientifically, or in any other way, you realize that it's impossible, illogical, and completely made up by man for religious purposes.

If there is No afterlife, then Man has no purpose,
and that God has no influence on you this life, nor the next life.
There Is no greater justice, there is no spiritual evolution, there is no goal what so ever, no enlightenment, no escape from the flesh and suffering.

Humans have no purpose, as we all know, we are born, we eat and we die, Just like every other animal. All we can hope for is for our selfish gene to live on, through another human, that is our only purpose, creating more humans

That is the purpose of all life, to create more of the same
There is no higher purpose, No God, and No after life nor reincarnation

All the afterlife nonsense has been made up by man to use as a means of controlling other humans through religion and guilt, and hope for a better life after death.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
Bluring, I'm not "trying" to be anything. I'm just not hooked into the entire mental aspect of all of this because it has almost nothing to do with reality.

Reality is the geyser that arises in our awareness. Taking this "neat," without extruding it through beliefs, takes a pretty good set of balls, IME. You make it sound like I waver, like I have some moral imperative to make some definitive statement but the geyser - thar she blows.

Meanwhile Craig is demanding that our mental content - be it truth or delusion - is apparently a bigger deal than the geyser itself - meaning our interpretation is bigger than the shizzle itself. Or maybe our interpretation (truth, belief, delusions, definitive religious statements) IS the shizzle.

That much said, our thoughts and beliefs DO create our reality -so what's a man to do.

Shizzzzam!

JL
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
Some people Want to know more about our universe and reality

I want to know how life evolved, and the science that goes along with it

Not some geyser of self indulgence in delusional folly that seems to satisfy your spiritual quest
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
then some can see ties between the science and the myths. But,,
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
No having to imagine what life would be like…. Its already being lived… no bullshit
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:16pm PT

Not some geyser of self indulgence in delusional folly that seems to satisfy your spiritual quest


That she blows . . .

The funny thing is that that rant is part of the geyser, and what I think or believe and profess about it, how I quantify or describe or feel about it mean nothing.

JL
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 25, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
Fair enough, Largo. You never really answered my query as to your faith, and I see why you cannot.

Bottom line, I guess, is to follow your own line. And be true to it.

Just pick a good line.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Aug 26, 2012 - 12:54am PT
huh? Riley,,, "these discussions shape the future of our country"??? Had no idea supertopo was THAT popular, i better start wearing a Tie when i post! ;-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
Cheers, Riley, I dig hangin' with you too. (even though you're politically misguided...hehe)

Hope to see you again soon, my brother!
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:02am PT
I was raised... nothing.

Nothing at all. My parents raised me in a completely religion-free home. They weren't the least-bit anti- religion. They actually never had a word for or against as I recall. Our family just sort of.. ignored it.

Life's a lot simpler in Atheist-land. Live for now since when you die... you're done.

PS: Thanks for the nice post about me on pg1 honey.
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:23am PT
Ooops, from the other thread thread...

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I'm in. Was brought up by parents who were deeply religious early in their respective lives and dropped it once they got married in NYC City Hall because each was of a different religion (mom=southern baptist, dad=eastern orthodox) and my dad's side sent death threats to my mom, quite the wake up call. So I was never indoctrinated with religious precepts and revealed truths... And my Sundays were free and clear then and remain so to this day.

My wife was selectively religious when we first met. I have since broken her of that fence-sitting and she fell onto the evil non-believer side with me. However, she did send two of our kids to a Lutheran pre-school where my son began to believe in hell and that god is vengeful. Yikes, had to break him of that.

I can say that the entire Gunkie Gang is now living on the evil side of the fence. More can be learned from the attached video below.

Stewart Johnson

climber
lake forest
Aug 29, 2012 - 10:31am PT
Zen Buddhism and dont even think about it.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
A real confident person says , "I believe this, I am this", and enough said. Make a coherent stand and defend it or support it.

Quit being defensive, incoherent, and politically correct!!!! Make a stand. Man.

If cancer cells could talk, this is what they'd say.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 29, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
Zen Buddhism and dont even think about it.


perfect
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Aug 29, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Credit: socialclimber

Charles
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Aug 29, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
From what can be tallied from posters on ST

It appears that Atheism is the most common Religion of Climbers
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Aug 29, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
Agnostic pantheist here. Athiest in the sense of not anthropomorphizing a diety.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Aug 29, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
Like the Muppet, I was raised in a household with no religion. It wasn't anti-religion. It wasn't pro-religion. It just wasn't a topic at all.

Bluering asks about what some of us believe and expresses a desire that we take a stand and be a man. (I can't be a man, but I can express my thoughts). I've not been asked, but here goes.

My thought is that I am but a teeny tiny itsy bitsy speck in the face of the universe. Given my near nothingness, how I can expect to know what is real or not in terms of a God or heaven or any of it? Not saying I disbelieve or believe. But I don't feel significant enough to think I could know something so significant.

Recently, I found myself jealous (for lack of better word) of those with strong conviction and assurances that there is an afterlife a God and other positive and reassuring things a religion offers. It may sound trivial to you, but it was the death of Ferne, my parrot. I saw him conceived. I still have the egg he hatched from. I raised him. I have feathers he molted throughout his life. He was (is) my baby as much as any human baby could have been. Possibly more. And he died unexpectedly on New Year's Eve. That pain was (is) indescribable.

A lot of the pain of his death comes from not knowing where he "is". Where is he? How can he just cease? How can that energy that was Ferne - uniquely Ferne - just stop? To think that he was (is) just over/gone is really unbearable.

From this pain, I find great comfort in this quote posted upthread by Wyo guy (forgot your full avatar - sorry):

You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

I've really looked at it all differently since Ferne's death. I still don't believe that as a tiny speck in the cosmos I can presume to ever know the truth. But man, I want more than anything to know Ferne still is and is well and that I'll see him again.
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