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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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I have! Both of those stretches. A mish mash of dry driving and water pork as far as the eye can drink it in...
How about this Ron A have you seen the movie Chinatown? Less detail, more nose slashing, but some of the same issues...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 10:46am PT
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. The cities of LA and Las Vegas are both glaring examples of the same problem
The problem is that we have no mechanism to limit growth in US cities. LIke the federal deficit, the populations grows without regard to the resources required to sustain the people.
Eventually you reach a point where it just has to stop cause there's not enough water for everyone, but how do you stop it? We are there but can't admit it and nobody wants to desalinate or address the issue in a way that works 100 years down the line
So FUBAR is inevitable. How could it not be? Project all this on a 100 year curve (not a long time if you care about the grandchildren) Rain is NOT increasing. WHat to do?
Peace
Karl
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Aug 20, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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Limit growth of L.A. or Vegas? How about limiting growth of the human species. Until that happens, people will need to live somewhere and living in a city is better for the environment than a lot of the alternatives.
But for arguments sake, how would one limit the growth of those cities? Where would the people there live instead?
Dave
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Aug 20, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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The sad thing is that most city dwellers have no idea where their water comes from.
They also think water is infinite
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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Limit growth of L.A. or Vegas? How about limiting growth of the human species. Until that happens, people will need to live somewhere and living in a city is better for the environment than a lot of the alternatives.
But for arguments sake, how would one limit the growth of those cities? Where would the people there live instead?
Not every place is as short of water as LA and Vegas. We need to get that we can't just plunk a city anywhere, allow it unlimited growth and not get screwed. There are tons of places with more water. They don't want us to come probably!
You want to live in a city that doesn't have enough water. No pool, no lawn.
Not to mention our issues with agriculture and water, it's not just cities. We have a problem that's getting to the point it can't be borrowed or ignored any longer
Yes, would be great if population didn't keep increasing. Sadly, all the approaches to dealing with that are fraught with problems
In 100 years some of LA will be under the sea. Maybe we'll have a more efficient desalinization system by then
Peace
Karl
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
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Yup Ron, the one With Jack Nicholsen; Nose slashing, Water pork, light Mullholand expose', better Faye Dunaway exposure, Incest -the Works!
When I bought my house in Portola (more rain/snowfall in year then the eastside combined) it had a sod lawn. I took it out and planted a Thyme Lawn-no watering!
Then I moved to Colorado and rented out my house.
My otherwise excellent Renter, took out the thyme, which he took for weeds and put down Sod...
It went downhill from there from a socioecconomic standpoint.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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Every time I get a good coverage of local, drought-resistant vegetation in my yard, County Code Enforcement issues me a "weed abatement notice".
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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jaybro....Nice try but Ron is holier than you.... as for the pissing contest , that will be decided at a later date...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Chaz...Try getting a medicinal card...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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Finally when the viaduct ruptured coming off the Long Valley slope in 1991(?) and forced the diversion down the Owens River Gorge I always heard the story that a DWP employee was in a hurry to get home and instead of taking the prescribed half hour to close the upper gate to viaduct he slammed it shut allowing a vacuum to be created in the upper portion of the viaduct which took out the 1.6 mile (?) section of the viaduct and forced the diversion and the lawsuit. I’ve always wonder is that true?
Quite probable. There was a case several years ago in Puerto Rico where that happened and the line break washed a village away causing millions of dollars in damage.
A half hr closing time on a line that size to avoid surge is not unusual at all.. When you get column separation you set up shock waves that propagate at around 1100 fps thru the whole system. Sometimes the damage is miles away, all depends on where the constructive reinforcement happens from all the reflecting shock wave fronts.
This vid is from a valve mfr and you can imagine what the forces are like if you scale this up to a 72 inch pipe. Same thing happens if the power fails and a pump shuts off suddenly.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
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True Confession: I'm a serial lawn water'r. Go f*#k yourself
just don't jump to conclusions.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
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Ron...It's a good read , good stories...As for sledz...Most people agree mine are greener...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 20, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
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Sad to see so much misunderstood info regarding water.
Yerington, another "banana belt at slightly less than 4000 feet elev, was a swamp/wet zone in ancient times- so the agricultural developement there makes perfect sense to me or the indians before.
Well, in ancient times, LA was underwater, so what does that prove?
The eastern sierra is desert, and yes Ron, so is Reno. I lived there.
You seem to think that if a river runs within a mile of a place, taking the water is fine, but it the river is 100 miles away, that is a crime.
Look for your 10,000 pools on Google Earth.
A lot of bashing of the southland, but they are working to reduce water useage massively.
Los Angeles won the US Water Prize last year for it's committee to reduce waste, increase recycling, and integrate efforts. I serve on that committee.
Orange County has the largest water recycling facility in the US. It has produces 93 BILLION gallons, so far:
http://www.ocwd.com/
i have personally toured the facility, and it is IMPRESSIVE.
In LA, we dump 90 million gallons of cleaned water into the ocean A DAY. This is a non-imported, non-interuptable water source, that is cost effective.
Why doesn't LA recycle? Cost of building the infrastructure.
ALL water is recycled.
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dipper
climber
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Aug 27, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
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FYI
The Water Education Foundation’s latest issue of Western Water examines the issues associated with the State Water Resources Control Board’s proposed revision of the Bay-Delta water quality control plan. And the downloadable version is now available in an interactive, digital format.
Go to this link for more...
http://www.aquafornia.com/archives/72385/
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 27, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
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Why doesn't LA recycle? Cost of building the infrastructure.
We are,
Hyperion sends 28 mgd to west Basins E.C Little Tertiary facility which is in the midst of a major expansion.
There's a major plant expansion at Wocholtz in Yuciapa as well.
The O.C. AWT is undergoing a doubling of it's capacity.
The trend to tertiary treatment and recycling began long ago and isn't going to stop till there isn't a drop of potentially reclaimable water reaching the ocean.
These plants are incredibly expensive to build and operate, and take a long time to construct, but they are still a good deal compared to imported water where MWD holds a monopoly.
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