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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 2, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
Will one of you gun-nutz please shoot that smoking duck?

Everyone knows smoking is illegal in this state.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Chief, of course illegally carrying an illegal gun during execution of an illegal act is a felony, but I hope the penalties for such an act are already adequate. The penalties for "merely" carrying a concealed loaded weapon without a permit are not adequate deterrent in most states.

One of the "anti-gun" laws that I want is that all states would require training and competency tests for carrying of a loaded weapon in a public place, and that the penalty for carrying a loaded weapon in public without that permit would be a felony, sufficient at a minimum to prevent the perpetrator from ever legally owning a gun again. No law-abiding citizen would have their rights infringed by this.

Same goes for universal background checks, as long as even one state allows the private sale of guns to strangers without background checks, the effectiveness of the laws in states that prohibit such sales will be limited. At present 33 states allow these sales. It's simply not illegal to sell a gun to a criminal in 33 states. It's only illegal if you know he's a criminal, and only prosecutable if the courts can prove you knew it. If all gun sales required background checks, the "I sold it to some dude" defense would be gone and police would have more motivation to track recovered guns and prosecute straw purchasers.

Do you believe it should be legal to sell a gun to a total stranger, without a background check?

Where do you think criminals get their guns?

TE
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
From Colt, of course.

DMT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/us/parents-didnt-realize-gun-instructor-had-been-shot-police-say.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMediaHigh&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
How many dozens of guns would I need in my collection before someone thought it was too much?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry ass blinded Sheep
Sep 2, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
Where do you think criminals get their guns?

Most are stolen weapons then acquired through their local street black market.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 2, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
When I asked a former friend how many guns he had, he scratched his head and asked if he could guess to the nearest twenty. That's a good sign that he had too many.

Just a few years later, he was the subject of a domestic abuse restraining order, his wife was a world-class competitive pistol and sporting clay shooter but she realized that despite being armed, talented, trained and getting a restraining order, she needed to get out. Helping her leave that house is the only time in my life I felt it was remotely necessary to be armed for my own protection.

TE

Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Sep 2, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
Compare the gun violence/death between a state that has some of the most strictest gun laws, Illinois, to that of let's say, Wyoming, Idaho or Montana which has some of the lenient gun laws.


The Chief is correct regarding the strong correlation between gun "control" and gun deaths

example:

Alaska, the state with the least restrictive firearm laws has one of the highest gun death rate

Massachusetts, most restrictive gun laws, least firearm deaths

all per capita of course

the correlation is not just the most extreme examples, it is causal pretty much throughout

example, New York, very restrictive gun laws and very few firearm deaths

thanks for pointing this out, Chief, it needed to be

and if anyone doubts this they can simply look it up themselves by simple internet search
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 2, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
Most are stolen weapons then acquired through their local street black market.

Wrong again. Facts. ATF figures say that only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes were stolen. Even that should be justification for legally mandated better security for FFLs and private gun owners.

Diversion through corrupt FFLs, straw purchasers and no-questions-asked private sales account for many times more "crime guns" than stolen guns do. That's why Universal Background Checks are so important. Sure, burglars find guns and they'll pass them on to the illegal market, but why would a criminal who wants to get a gun risk getting caught breaking into a house (or risk facing one of those guns from the wrong end) when in 33 states he can go to armslist.com do a keyword search for "no background check", make an untraceable purchase and face absolutely no risk of getting caught?

Do that armslist search and see for yourself, why do so many sellers specify "no background check required"? Why do so many legitimate dealers have to point out that they will do a background check, if not to avoid wasting time with the large proportion of inquiries by criminals?

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:03am PT
Yesterday, 9/2, at the gun counter, was a busy day. I was expecting the opposite.

We had around 2 dozen folks at that counter from California throughout the day. And to the last person, they were complaining hard about their home state. Most of them wishing to leave and move to NV. They commented on the huge selection of guns we had. They commented on the sensible laws and background checks we have. They commented on the ammo availability we had.
They also asked if we were interested in buying their homes which they are "desperately" trying to sell.

Its normal for us to get a few per day from CA in the store at the gun counter, but yesterday was particularly busy with such folk.


We also had those that were from CA in the shop, happily displaying their new NV drivers licenses as they shopped for the gun they were about to buy. Ine man, whom had been in the store when it first opened and had just moved to NV but didnt have a resident ID was also there - and made comments that he was so happy to be a legal res of NV as he purchased a Smith& Wesson MP40.

No, im NOT bashing CA - THEY were. It was an odd day for sure, We sold about 15,000.00 worth of firearms, from shot guns to the latest in compact self defense -carry style pistols. We handed out flyers for our CCW classes left and right. I even sold a bushmaster AR 5.56/223 rifle to a pair of lesbians that had moved from CA in the last year who had just taken up shooting. And they were delightful, pretty, funny and a pleasure to serve. They left with said firearm and 400 rounds of ammo.

Many firearms manufacturers are now engaged in a boycott of CA due to new laws of micro stamping and such. What this has done is reduce CA gun stores to empty cases and shelves. Meanwhile the people have begun to move elsewhere. From the young couples to the retired folks- all the same.

Many of these folks requested that we sell them a gun that could be shipped to their FFL dealers near by. Sadly we cant do that- as our guns do not meet the requirements of CA laws. And gun manufacturers are refusing to go to the extremes CA law dictates. It was a disappointment to the customers as well as myself that we cant serve them. They looked at the huge selection of guns and ammo and marveled at it all.

We could have more than doubled our sales yesterday from all those from CA wishing to buy. Now here is some thoughts on this trend that is clearly happening~~ that in another ten years, what will the situation be in CA? Will it be like Chicago? Because that is the way it happened there- in one of the most violent torn cities we have. And the populations of neighboring states will grow - where laws arent so restrictive.

It was a busy-dizzy day at the store...











TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:27am PT
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/justice/michigan-porch-shooting-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Theodore Wafer said he was sorry from the bottom of his heart Wednesday for gunning down an unarmed young woman on the front porch of his Michigan home, but a judge said "mistake" was the wrong word to describe a murder and sentenced him to 15 to 30 years in prison.

One less Gun Nut on the streets, and hopefully a warning to others about what "responsible gun ownership" really means.

TE
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:32am PT
We had around 2 dozen folks at that counter from California throughout the day. And to the last person, they were complaining hard about their home state. Most of them wishing to leave and move to NV.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out of our fine state, gunNuts!
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:44am PT
We could have more than doubled our sales yesterday from all those from CA wishing to buy. Now here is some thoughts on this trend that is clearly happening~~ that in another ten years, what will the situation be in CA? Will it be like Chicago? Because that is the way it happened there- in one of the most violent torn cities we have. And the populations of neighboring states will grow - where laws arent so restrictive.

You are aware that despite having ten times the population density of Nevada and some of the largest cities and slum ghettos in the country, a shared porous border with lawless Mexico, where you believe all illegal guns originate, California's per-capita gun murder rate is still only 10% higher than Nevada? You can't even claim that easy access to guns in Nevada protects you better, Nevada's overall per-capita murder rate is 20% higher than California's.

Obviously people are moving from CA to NV just to buy guns, it couldn't possibly be jobs, or lack of state taxes?

Dream on.

TE
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:46am PT
"Don't let the door hit you on the way out of our fine state, gunNuts!"


As California goes, so goes the Nation.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:52am PT
Who needs to steal guns or buy them illegally in America when they are so, so easy to get legally? You can go to any yard sale, flea market or gun show and buy a gun no matter who you are. This Hollywood/TV idea that street criminals have super secret arms dealers who sell them sophisticated next-gen weaponry is largely apocryphal.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:53am PT
TE,, whats with the "lawless Mexico" comment? You,, you ,, you mean there is a problem with Mexico??? Say it aint sooooo!


If you think that to be an issue NOW,, give it ten more years and THEN post about it..!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Sep 3, 2014 - 09:55am PT
Ron Andersen claimed
Many firearms manufacturers are now engaged in a boycott of CA due to new laws of micro stamping and such.

Yes I'm sure so, so many arms manufacturers are choosing to not sell weapons to the 10th largest economy in the world. And California would clearly be much worse off if they did. Anyway, let me just finish adding this to my shitthatdidnthappen.txt file.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 3, 2014 - 10:07am PT
wanna put some money on it HD? Ruger, one of the largest gun manufacturers now NOT selling weapons to California. Smith & Wesson to follow. KelTech already on board and many others to follow.

You see, in an effort to make it as expensive as possible to produce weapons that will qualify under restrictive laws, CA has literally priced those manufacturers right out of the state. They wont sell any due to the price they would have to ask for after taking steps in manufacturing to comply with those laws.


Why do you think i received so many comments about CA gun stores having NOTHING in comparison to our NV gun store?

I dont wish this scenario on any one or any state. And if there was any issue that WILL increase the black market in arms, this is one.

And in your state, all one has to do is to have an AZ drivers license to carry concealed. NO permit required. Your living in a state that has gone past Nevadas current freedoms and laws. When will you be moving??
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:10am PT
No, both companies have merely announced that they will (someday, eventually) stop shipping to California. Neither company has actually stopped, and likely never will.

Dream on.

TE

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:13am PT
Well TE,, seeing as how i actually converse with the reps for those companys, and work in the industry, i will believe what they are telling us.. You on the other hand shall guess from all the way across the country.. Funny that. I suppose you dont know everything isnt on google ...
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