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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 19, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Oh please! The public is being punished because the small minority who want to go out and buy a 50 cal (or AR15 or napalm or etc) can't do so anytime they want?

Okay, that was sarcastic. On a serious note, tell me how "the public" is being punished by current gun legislation.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 19, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Chaz, i must disagree with you concerning resources for mental health. The resources avalable are a fraction of what is needed. Those that do exist are understaffed and grossly underfunded.
If we regarded "mental" disease as we do other diseases this would not be the case. Early diagnosis and "proper" treatment would keep many people with mental disease out of our overcrowded jails and off of the streets.
It's a disgrace that the world's richest country does not do a decent job treating it's citizens afflicted with mental disease.
People unfortunate enough, through no fault of there own, to be afflicted with mental disease must not only deal with the disease itself, they also have to deal with daily disdain from those they encounter.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Sep 19, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Problem I have is everyone now is calling it PTSD, Lawyers, families and to me this is an easy way out when the underlying issues our far from it.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 19, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Well, for sure we're nt addressing mental health in any adequate fashion. It astouns ne just how quick we are willing to give up other rights, yet not require thorough reporting of mental instability where guns are concerned.

As to why we dont universally require background checks, seems obvious. No politician on either side has the balls to address that issue seperately. It always gets proposed as part of a package deal n gun control. Fail.

How are people having their rights restricted? I guess you wouldnt know, not having the desire to carry a concealed weapon for self defense over there in California. Cali gun laws are screwed- even the cops get them wrong. Who even knows what is really legal there?

So, to answer your question directly, through personal experience, I feel Cali restricts my rights every time i visit.

And of course you'll counter by saying I havent needed a gun there in defense yet. Except i have. Other members of my family have. But you dont really care about that do you? Its just dismissable anecdotal heresay to you, eh? And to acknowlege that, you might have to reevaluate your point of view.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 07:24am PT
So, to answer your question directly, through personal experience, I feel Cali restricts my rights every time i visit.

Well, unless CA's gun laws are determined to be unconstitutional, there ain't nothing anyone can do. Every state between CA, WA, and CO restricts some cancer patient's right to take their preferred medication. I can't take my dogs to my sister's house, 2 miles from my mom's house, because of breed specific legislation. Some laws are stupid, no doubt. How about instead of fighting we try to work together to get better background checks, mental health evaluations, and require training and/or licenses for gun owners?

And of course you'll counter by saying I havent needed a gun there in defense yet. Except i have. Other members of my family have. But you dont really care about that do you? Its just dismissable anecdotal heresay to you, eh? And to acknowlege that, you might have to reevaluate your point of view.

I'm not going to counter with that... I may have asked if you had ever needed one, but I certainly would not say you haven't. And I do care, and it ain't dismissible anecdotal hearsay. I don't have to reevaluate anything to acknowledge that.

My sister and brother-in-law carry EVERY TIME THEY STEP OUT THE DOOR. In over 20 years, neither of them have needed to use their gun while off duty. I find it surprising that others seem to "need" their guns substantially more often. Of course they live in Salt Lake City... a pretty dangerous city!

On the flip side, I've had a gun pulled on me or been threatened with a gun 4 times between the ages of 16 and 20 (all in Salt Lake). Once for mooning someone, once for swearing in public, once for hiding in the wrong backyard at 9:30 pm, and once during a ruckus game of dodge ball at a church. Each time I clearly posed absolutely NO threat to anyone. I was not threatening anyone's safety or property, with the possible exception of the guy who's backyard I was hiding in... I can somewhat understand his reaction. But the others used their guns for intimidation, to "teach me a lesson" and/or influence my behavior because they didn't like it. Does that make sense to you... that we allow people with that mentality to own guns that they use to threaten teenagers whose behavior (or appearance) they disagree with? Because it makes perfect sense to Rong:


Wessie,,I was going to say it was ODD that you and your friends always seem to be getting ... threatened by guns and so on, but then i considered your internet persona around here and it all makes perfect sense to me now...

Like I've said, I grew up with guns, I own guns, I shoot guns fairly often, I like guns, and most people I know have guns (some I feel shouldn't). But I'm disturbed at how easy it is for pretty much ANYONE to get a gun... especially people who think it makes sense to pull a gun on someone because they don't like how they look or act. Too many Zimmermans out there... and too many Rongs who feel he was justified in stalking and killing an innocent teen based solely on appearance.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:24am PT
In America, it's easy for anyone to get anything.

What do you need? I'll make a few phone calls.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:32am PT
What do you need? I'll make a few phone calls.

I need more free time for climbing.
WBraun

climber
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:39am PT
A few days ago there was a road rage incident.

Both drivers exited their vehicles and shot each other dead.

LOL

Stupid Americans ......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:56am PT
How many dead in the bay area last night? At least three. All shootings.

FEEKIN Irish warmonger, hillbilly homophobe nazi party REDNECKS must have invaded the bay too lol!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Ron, you should spend some time learning about demographics.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Demographics?? Sure wes. Ill compare Carson City to ANY town of the same size in the greater bay area. The "demographics" will show that the bay area is far more dangerous per capita than any where in Wyoming for instance.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:30am PT
You still haven't learnt sh#t. Per capita is irrelevant. You need to compare murder rates by POPULATION DENSITY (an aspect of demographics) because violent crime is correlated with population density. Then you will see that anywhere in WY and Carson City come out worst than the Bay Area.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Carson City pop: 70K now you name a city in the bay area of equal "density" .. I said CITY not state.. And yur a peeHdee???
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:36am PT
The "demographics" will show that the bay area is far more dangerous per capita than any where in Wyoming for instance.

I said CITY not state.

Wyoming is a city?

You know what density is, right? 70K is only half of the equation. Keep trying.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Highest homicide rates are in citys and states with the most gun regulation..

LA, Bay area, Chicago, DC so on and so forth.

Demographics in states such as NV are terribly skewed by the fact there are only two real population centers in the state. If there was a N/S Nevada, youd see a whole nudder ball game.

But then you know all of this. Your "demographics" ploy is weak sausage.
Binks

climber
Uranus
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:56am PT
Another shooting spree.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/20/chicago-park-shooting_n_3959062.html


Screw gun rights.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:59am PT
"probably gang related"^^^^^^^^


Sure the problem isnt GANGS??
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Highest homicide rates are in citys and states with the most gun regulation..

LA, Bay area, Chicago, DC so on and so forth.

Wow, interesting... those are also some of the densest population centers in the country. It is almost as if violent crime is correlated with population density. I wonder if anyone has ever looked into that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Yeah,, couldnt be the strict gun regulations have anything to do with it. Or the lack of actually DOING anything about the vast network of criminal gangs now here ,, KNOWN gangs and members ..Wouldnt want to trample on their rights to gather right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:12am PT
strict gun regulations could have something to do with it, but that is far more speculative than the climatic impacts of anthropogenic CO2... and I'm sure we don't want to make a ASSumption based on such shaky data.

You know, there is this place across the Atlantic with even stricter gun regulations. Their murder rates are way way way below anywhere in the US with similar population densities, despite even higher violent crime rates. It is almost as if guns make killing easier. I wonder if anyone has looked into that.
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