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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 9, 2014 - 04:49pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-shooting-20140808-story.html
A Texas boy who was accidentally shot in the face by his 7-year-old cousin is out of surgery and expected to survive his injuries, police officials told the Los Angeles Times on Friday.

The 8-year-old was struck in the left cheek around 4:30 p.m. on Thursday at the Harbor Oaks Apartments in Texas City, a city of 45,000 roughly 40 miles outside of Houston, accoring to Texas City Police Capt. Joe Stanton.

Emergency crews airlifted the boy to Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston, where he remains in the pediatric intensive care unit in critical condition.

The victim, his 9-year-old brother and his 7-year-old cousin were all left alone inside an apartment on Thursday after the person their mother asked to watch them left the residence for an unknown reason, Stanton said.

The children later told police that they found a loaded .380 caliber semiautomatic handgun somewhere in the house.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 9, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
So sad. The lack of any uniform testing and standards for gun owners will lead to more tragic deaths of innocent people. I have yet to hear one plausible argument against such a standard, other than batsh*t crazy paranoia that the government will come for you.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 9, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
I have yet to hear one plausible argument against such a standard...

I don't argue against standards. But I DO ask why you and other single out such tragedies for special condemnation of gun owners, when there are other, FAR worse and epidemic tragedies affecting kids on a FAR more epic scale.

Both on a per-capita and real-numbers analysis, in a nation of 1/3 of a billion people, with hundreds of millions of guns, the FEW incidents people like you prefer to cite literally pale into insignificance.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: When you guys exhibit 1/10 the passion for the real and epic tragedies affecting kids as you do on this thread about guns, I'll start to buy your "concern."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: To respond to your claim, "But this is a GUN thread," fine, then start equally passionate threads about the really epic tragedies affecting orders of magnitude more kids.

Then and only then will I read your hand-wringing as something other than USING these FEW tragedies as a pet hobby horse.

There should be standards! They should include a LOT more areas of dealing with kids than the gun issue! In a nation with limited resources, let's put our efforts where they will address the most PRESSING problems. And gun-ownership standards are NOT a significantly pressing problem compared to MANY others.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 9, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
Why do you keep asking others to prove your point for you?

If you want to talk about other threats to kids, start a thread on it.

You are trying to diffuse the issue. Stay on point.

I say we need stricter testing and licensing for people buying lethal weapons. You seem to agree. Hopefully we will see this positive change if the NRA doesn't try to kill it.
WBraun

climber
Aug 9, 2014 - 09:44pm PT
Guns will disappear when America ends it's source of violence.

America is the most violent country on the planet.

Kill kill kill kill is it's mantra.

Everywhere you turn there is violence.

Americans kill everything in sight.

Why YOU so stupid ......?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 9, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
You are trying to diffuse the issue. Stay on point.

The point IS that the issue is diffuse.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 19, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
The Armed Citizen:
A 7-year-old Florida boy is in critical condition after his grandmother mistakenly shot him, sheriff’s deputies say.

Linda Maddox, 63, was sleeping in her bedroom with her twin grandsons after their father had gone to work, said Cristal Bermudez Nunez of the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office.

Concerned about her safety, Maddox had placed a chair against the bedroom door handle for “extra protection” before going to bed at about 11:45 p.m., Bermudez Nunez said. A loaded .22-caliber revolver sat on the floor next to the mattress.

Just before 1 a.m., sheriff’s deputies say, Maddox heard the chair sliding against the hardwood floor. Believing there was an intruder, Maddox grabbed the gun and fired one shot toward the door.

Seconds later, deputies said, she heard her grandson, Tyler Maddox, screaming. He had been shot once in the upper body, and was taken to a hospital, where was listed in critical but stable condition.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-grandmother-florida-accidental-shooting-20140819-story.html
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 19, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
Tit for tat....

http://bearingarms.com/phoenix-man-shoots-carjacker-saves-neighbor/

A 29-year-old thug violently ripped a 66-year-old Phoenix, Arizona woman from her car in an attempt to steal it, causing her neighbors to spring forward in her defense. One of the neighbors, a woman, was injured as the car knocked her down. Her husband, who was able to retrieve his handgun from their home and opened fire, struck the suspect in the stolen car.

Police say the suspect started to drive away, and the vehicle struck the woman and knocked her to the ground, causing her to receive a head injury.

After seeing his wife knocked to the ground, police say her husband fired several shots at the suspect in the vehicle from a handgun he had gotten from inside his house. The suspect fled the area in the vehicle.

The neighbor woman was transported and hospitalized for a head injury she received when she fell after being struck by the vehicle. Her injury is believed to be non life-threatening.

A short time after the suspect stole the vehicle and fled, police received a call of a single vehicle collision in the area of 24th Street and Thomas. The suspect ran off the roadway in the vehicle and struck a fixed object.

The responding officers discovered it was the stolen vehicle and that the driver was the suspect. Police say he had suffered a gunshot wound.

He was transported to a local hospital, but later died of his injuries.

One less violent criminal, thanks to a good guy with a gun.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2014 - 03:20am PT
madb0lter posted
I don't argue against standards. But I DO ask why you and other single out such tragedies for special condemnation of gun owners, when there are other, FAR worse and epidemic tragedies affecting kids on a FAR more epic scale.

The existence of arguably larger tragedies does not in fact justify the neglect of this one. Nobody is "singling out" anything. In fact, it would be a much stronger argument to say "why is it that of all the tragedies gun violence appears to be the one that is singled out to be NOT worked on."

madbolter posted
Tit for tat....

1. The guy got away with the car...no crime was prevented here.
2. The man discharged his firearm in a residential neighborhood. He appears to have hit his target but easily could have missed and hit things on the other side...like innocent people. I'm pretty sure shooting a guy AFTER he has stopped being violent and is fleeing the scene fails to meet any standard of defense.
3. The suspect was killed for fleeing in a stolen car. I'm supposed to feel good about this?
4. Tit for tat? Does an unprevented carjacking nullify the near-homicide of a 7 year old?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 20, 2014 - 11:16am PT
The existence of arguably larger tragedies does not in fact justify the neglect of this one. Nobody is "singling out" anything. In fact, it would be a much stronger argument to say "why is it that of all the tragedies gun violence appears to be the one that is singled out to be NOT worked on."

No, I do NOT argue that way because it is bogus! We do not have the resources to "fight every war," so we must, as a nation, allocate our resources to have the most "bang for the buck."

The "war on gun violence" is a tempest in a teapot, with an inordinate political charge relative to what it is supposedly "preventing" or "reducing."

This is not to trivialize the deaths of innocents! Far from it! It is to say that in a nation of 1/3 of a billion people from all over the planet, the "epidemic" of "gun violence" is minuscule compared to other "fights" we could/should be "fighting" but that we DO NOT!

Thus, "the epidemic of gun violence" IS singled out for special condemnation, and it is THAT that I argue is ridiculous.

1. The guy got away with the car...no crime was prevented here.

Wrong. The car was returned to its rightful owner rather than slipped into the further criminal pipeline of chop-shops, etc. Furthermore, at least for this ONE criminal, a whole SPREE of future crimes has been prevented. He's DONE!

Furthermore, there is a pesky little matter of justice that you seem to continually overlook. In this case, justice was served.

2. The man discharged his firearm in a residential neighborhood. He appears to have hit his target but easily could have missed and hit things on the other side...like innocent people. I'm pretty sure shooting a guy AFTER he has stopped being violent and is fleeing the scene fails to meet any standard of defense.

Wrong. As I've pointed out before, everybody I know with a gun takes their training FAR more seriously than do the cops! I, for one, HIT what I aim at. Apparently so can this guy.

Your argument would also cut against the cops using deadly force in ways that they commonly do. And COPS miss continually! Lots of "stray" cop bullets flying around on a daily basis! I guess we should disarm cops too and turn them into a bunch of impotent "bobbies," like in your vaunted Great Britain (that has an astronomical per-capita rate of violent crime compared to the USA, btw).

Finally, in most states (Arizona included), it IS legal to utilize deadly force in an effort to halt certain sorts of felonies in progress, such as sexual assault, robbery, burglary, and so on. So, this guy was entirely within the law to act exactly as he did. It is critical that gun owners know the laws of their states, and apparently this guy did.

3. The suspect was killed for fleeing in a stolen car. I'm supposed to feel good about this?

Absolutely!

Of course, wild-eyed liberals like you have NO regard for the whole notion of private property, as you continually support each and every effort on the part of the feds to redistribute wealth, which is nothing more than systematic THEFT.

But, yes, you SHOULD feel good about property rights being upheld in the face of criminals.

4. Tit for tat? Does an unprevented carjacking nullify the near-homicide of a 7 year old?

Are you really that backed into a corner, such that you have to argue that way?

Apparently so!

Ridiculous!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 20, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Wrong. As I've pointed out before, everybody I know with a gun takes their training FAR more seriously than do the cops! I, for one, HIT what I aim at. Apparently so can this guy.

Some yahoo firing in a residential area at someone who's no longer a threat doesn't seem to be responsible. This isn't Dirty Harry shooting up SF in the movies and every thing's cool.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 20, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
Some yahoo firing....

Pretty clearly not. lol

Too bad cops can't shoot as well as this "yahoo"!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 20, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Yessir... gunz are scary....

Budweiser kills more people every week but nobody is pushing for more regulation of that useless beverage....
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 21, 2014 - 08:32am PT
There is a symbolism that appeals to those who target guns (and probably lack the humor to see the irony of the phrase).

Gun haters like to assign psychological explanations, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and just because I don't have the world's largest penis doesn't mean I'm not great marksman.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Aug 21, 2014 - 09:14am PT
I'm not a gun hater, TV, just think the insane arms race is f*#king up our nation.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 21, 2014 - 09:17am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

Gun debate^^ 1800's assualt rifle version, or the 1940s version?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 21, 2014 - 09:41am PT
I'm not a gun hater, TV, just think the insane arms race is f*#king up our nation.

That horse left the barn long ago and got run over trying to get to the
alfalfa field across the highway. Whenever the cops have their much ballyhooed
Turn In Yer Guns For a $50 Target Gift Card I only see guns turned in which
nobody in their right mind would want around. The only way to collect all
the 300+ million guns out there is sending the Army door-to-door and I'm pretty
sure that ain't gonna happen.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 21, 2014 - 09:47am PT
THat rifle on the right is a replica of a 1/2 stock kentucky or Mountain rifle as they were known. The design was pure simplicity with only three moving parts, the hammer, the trigger and the spring. Fired by a percussion cap- the after runner to the flint lock style with a pan for the ignition powder.

Its a Connecticut Valley Arms mountain rifle made in the mid 70s- and is now a highly sought after rifle . Spanish steel barrels that last and will last far into the future. The rifle above has not lost any accuracy in thousands of rounds after four decades. 50 caliber with a 1/66 twist to the rifling designed for a round ball. Has a hair trigger set and shoots a 177 grain ball in .490 diameter with an .010 thick patch.
Sredni Vashtar

Social climber
out in front
Aug 21, 2014 - 09:47am PT
Cant call the M1 carbine an assault rifle Ronald
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Aug 26, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
Sheriff Jim McCabe told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that the [nine year old] girl, who was vacationing from New Jersey with her parents, had safely fired a 9 mm Uzi several times in the “single-shot” mode.

The firearm was put into "fully automatic" mode the next time she fired, McCabe said, with the instructor, identified as Charles Vacca, standing to her left. The weapon recoiled and she lost control of the Uzi while firing an undetermined number of rounds. Vacca suffered at least one gunshot to the head.

"The guy just dropped,” McCabe told the Review-Journal.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/arizona-girl-accidentally-shoots-instructor-in-head
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