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crankster

Trad climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Zzzzzzz
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 7, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
Pick of the week: Smith & Wesson- the new 1911 in compact or standard- .45 caliber- feels and looks like a kimber compact carry 2, nice redish wood grips, very sweet trigger, and the dazzling new night sites, and a very smooth action to the slide. And fish scale texture in the slide grips areas.


Credit: Ron Anderson
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 7, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Holy glib, specious argument, Batman!

Holy glib, NON-argument, Robin!

LOL
glanton

Sport climber
lithopeadion circus
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
Pick of the week:

Credit: glanton
couchmaster

climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 08:01am PT
Hey Glanton, there is another thread where you can post selfies.

The President has banned all Ismash kalishnkoff Molot products from import as part of sanctions against the Russsians.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Could a cop have stopped the incidents?

If no, then you have no point.

If yes, then any other good guy with a gun also could have.

And exactly which proposed gun control laws would have stopped the incidents?

Causal chains please.

Why is it that you require the cop or the guy with the gun to only offer the possibility of stopping those incidents, while you require gun control laws to stop them with certainty?

Without a doubt, universal background checks will reduce the probability of incidents like these. So too would stricter regulation of firearms dealers.

On a happier note, I am relieved to see that at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid. "I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house," he said. "I drew first, that's how I see it." I hope he now cowers every day in prison. Perhaps the national attention of this case will open a few eyes and make some people think twice before they pull the trigger.

TE
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Really sad for the victim and her family, and another argument for stricter licensing requirements. Right now any yahoo can buy a gun with no qualifications or training. Part of that training should be the understanding you will go prison for a long time if you make a mistake. All the NRA wants you focus on is the need for protection, and not the consequences of poor decisions.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:23am PT
I was not going to cower. I didn't want to be a victim in my own house

He shot THROUGH a door!!! No imminent threat. No excuse. End of story.


Just got my Colorado CCW today. Now I'm a card-carrying "gun nut."

Oh, wait. That would be if I joined the NRA, I think.

Whew! Perhaps I'm not a "nut" yet.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Stahlbro,, every gun owner KNOWS very well that there could be consequences to inappropriate actions, and much of any CCW training includes those angles of gun carrying. They go over many scenarios of when drawing a gun isnt the correct response.

Now why dont some of you search out and post when concealed carriers have saved the day or the moment or some ones life? They are out there but you have to grovel deeply for them as it seems major media sources all but ignore those happenings since they dont match their mantra of the moment.

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:31am PT
at least one Detroit Gun Nut will pay an appropriate price for drinking the gun culture's kool-aid.

Which of the proposed gun-control laws would have kept this incident from happening?

Causal chains, please.

And "the gun culture?" What does that even MEAN? ROFL
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 8, 2014 - 11:06am PT
On a happier note,
not a happier note at all. A totally innocent young woman is dead due to an armed idiot. You will notice from the reported testimony he didn't even claim to be frightened (unlike that other paragon of gun idiocy, Pistorius), he shot her in cold premeditated blood.
Oh, but she was black, intoxicated and from the other side of the tracks. So she must be partly culpable.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Now why dont some of you search out and post when concealed carriers have saved the day or the moment or some ones life? They are out there but you have to grovel deeply for them as it seems major media sources all but ignore those happenings since they dont match their mantra of the moment.

Since the media is mostly conservative (Fox dominates the ratings), if this statement had a fraction of truth the righties would be playing it nonstop. The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.

The FBI reports a total 200-300 justifiable homicides by civilians each year. Even if we took every single one of those to be Ron's hypothetical civilian gun-toting hero, it wouldn't make his point valid compared with 10,000 murders. Some are of course legitimate self-defense on which we all can agree, others are justifiable only because of the absurdity of "stand your ground" or castle doctrine laws. Even of those legally justified, there can be no doubt that not all would have resulted in the murder of the victim in the absence of a gun.

TE
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Aug 8, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
Which of the proposed gun-control laws would have kept this incident from happening?

Causal chains, please.

I never claimed they would/could, I was simply pointing out a recent news story relevant to this thread and expressing my hopes on how its publicity might actually help some gun owner make a better decision when faced with a similar circumstance.

Gun-culture? 90,900,000 google hits, figure it out for yourself.

Happy weekend everybody, stay safe.

TE

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Aug 8, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Gun Culture? You damm well bet thats correct.


In 1776 it was guns that got your ancestors freedom. In 1864 guns were freeing slaves and making a union of one country. Guns fought the first world war to protect US interests, and then the Second World War to fight off an attack. Guns are a WORLD CULTURE and certainly not just ours. Its guns that kept you safe when police arrived. It may have been a gun that protected you or yours at one time. A strong hunting tradition continues in this country as well and guns play a major role in that as well.

And your damm correct the number of good guys with guns in FAR LESS that bad guys that we have literally said "have at it" - like the hundreds of thousands of known gang members we have in country now that we just catalog their identity's to wait for one for the law to finally catch up to them. More than half arent even citizens in any way but we will afford them every pass in the books then listen to the nightly news to report how many of them gunned down victims. Theres a bazillion places in this country that you wouldnt want to be caught dead in after dark. And again weve just left it all to go to hell while you cheer on the latest swarm of illegals into this country from 55 other countrys round the globe. And you wonder why homicides in the USA are so high...Uh huh...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 8, 2014 - 02:20pm PT

Since the media is mostly conservative (Fox dominates the ratings), if this statement had a fraction of truth the righties would be playing it nonstop. The reason they DON"T is because it DOESN'T happen very often. Compared to the amount of people killed by guns, intentionally or accidentally, its a trivial amount.

Ho man, what claptrap!

Media mostly conservative?

Doesn't happen very often? Read "the Armed Citizen" each month and it will cite dozens of incidents, giving references to newspaper articles.

If the media was conservative they'd be all over it.
Instead it is an inconvenient truth that can only be partially swept under the rug.

Those that are willing to compromise freedom for security deserve neither.
glanton

Sport climber
lithopeadion circus
Aug 8, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
Credit: glanton

"It's all them 'messicans fault!"

Keep smoking that pole crotchmaster, maybe someone will delete a thread and you can get to spank a load back into your mouth.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
Gun-culture? 90,900,000 google hits, figure it out for yourself.

The fact that bunches of people are searching for something does not correlate with the idea that ANY of them have the foggiest clue what they are talking about or searching for.

YOU use the term as a dysphemism, so I ask you what you really mean by it, and you punt.

Do you really think that this recent goofball shooting some woman through the door, or Pistorius (ironically, also shooting through a door), are really informative about your use of the term?
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 9, 2014 - 07:13am PT
Credit: crankster
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 9, 2014 - 11:08am PT
How unarmed people get to see themselves;

(insert photo of any massacre)
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