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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:44am PT
Just got back from shooting at our private lil area.

shot the M1, 9mm pistols, and my .50 cal black powder. My buddy and his wife shot their 9s and the 7mm mags to get ready for deer, antelope and elk seasons. We were drilling the ten spots left and right,, even ol tick-lickerTU (.50 cal)was smacking the 10 rings. The only debate was what target was next..
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:51am PT
Nice Ron. I just got back from metal detecting. Found three dollars in change, some junk, and a wireless speaker.

Found out I got a deer tag last week, so I'm going to have to get out and sight in myself, very soon. It pays to check that "alternate" box on your tag apps.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:54am PT
I can show you a cool area near me sometime of youd like- nice and private, easy to get to..Good for up to 200 yard targets.
Good job on scoring the tag..

I NEVER had shot my 50 from the bags, but decided to and got a nice bruise on my cheek for the effort lol! Ive always offhanded - first time for everything.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Hey man, we need a hick Country-Western song about open carry of AKs in Applebee's !!

"0hhhhhh....I wuz a carryin mah AK-kaaaaay
A walkin thru Applebeeees, one fine daaaaaay
When I saw me this Negro fella there...holdin up
The cash registraaaaaaaaaa....."


ROFL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:02am PT
fail, epic. one each.^^^^^^^^^ doesnt even rhyme..

Stick to your day job..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:15am PT
He doesn't have a job.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Then you should know the difference eh? There were NO "military" rifles there. The rifles that were there were NO DIFFERENT than any other SEMI auto deer rifle. A 308 rifle in a classic model is the very same as a 308 in an AR STYLE. They fire one shot with each squeeze eh.

Ron, the AK-47 is clearly a military rifle, while I'm not aware of any military using semi-automatic variants, it must be equally clear that being full-automatic doesn't define a military rifle, unless you consider the M1 or the L1A1 FN not to be military rifles either.

An AK-47 with open sights is both a piss-poor choice of hunting rifle, and a criminally negligent weapon for self-defense in a crowded grocery store. I fully understand the point of the Texas protests, my issue is not with their grievance about open carry of pistols, it is with the fact that legal open carry of loaded long guns (of any type) serves no benefit to anyone except to terrorists and murderers. If only the criminals have guns, then the cops will know who to shoot.

Hunters and target shooters can simply unload and/or case their weapons before leaving private property, sportsmen in every other country can manage this simple process. Carrying any loaded gun in a public place should be subject to at least the equivalent testing and eligibility process as driving a car. I can't open carry a fishing rod in PA unless I'm displaying my fishing license, yet unlicensed concealed carry of a firearm is only misdemeanor. That's F'd up.

TE
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:47am PT
being full-automatic doesn't define a military rifle


The current models of the M4 and M16, standard issue for the US military, are not full automatic.

There is no strict definition for "military rifle." The NRA gun-manufacturing lobby and their stooges love to exploit this fact, even though it is irrelevant.

There's no good reason anybody needs to walk around in public with semiautomatic rifle, none. Anybody who does, legally or not, is pathetic.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:52am PT
Safe to say, not one military on earth fields semi-auto AK's.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Define what is carrying in public places? Downtown? The greater metropolitan areas? US Forest Service lands? BLM lands? Walmart?
Bargainhunter

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
Ron,

This is what I was concerned about in my post yesterday regarding open carry making you a target, and law enforcement being disproportionally targeted as well. In other words, carrying guns can increase your risk of violence and is not always a deterrent.

As this example in today's LA Times demonstrates:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-new-jersey-city-police-officer-killed-20140713-story.html
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 13, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
If only the criminals have guns, then the cops will know who to shoot.

If only they WOULD, there would be a lot less debate on this subject. Again, if ALL you want to see is citizens proxying their right of self-defense, then that proxy had better be AWESOME, reliable, and very, very systematic in defense of that right!

But that proxy is NOT!

Two friends of mine went up near Idelwild to do some bouldering. When next seen, they had been shot dead on the remote road. Cops believed that it was gang-banger, execution style, so that those living sacks of dung could tattoo teardrops under their eyes.

IF cops would shoot on sight this trash with teardrops tatted under their eyes, then you'd get more sympathy from me about your above-quoted statement.

But we're FAR too "civilized" for that. So, instead I wish my friends had been armed to the teeth and could therefore have had at least a fighting chance instead of just being instant victims.

Armed, they would have had at least some chance, however small. Unarmed, they had exactly ZERO chance.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
Again Bargain Hunter, your word "disproportionately" seems a bit over done.

How many cops were on duty that day across America that werent shot at?

Are we talking about some millions to one ratio?

And are you forgetting that in a post above i mention the fact that scant few folks have even noticed i was carrying that i could tell?


Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 13, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Define what is carrying in public places? Downtown? The greater metropolitan areas? US Forest Service lands? BLM lands? Walmart?

Yes
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 13, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
The current models of the M4 and M16, standard issue for the US military, are not full automatic.

Yes they are!

The M-16 was modified to fire only 3 round bursts on the auto setting.

The M4-A1 will fire single, 3round burst or full auto
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 13, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
Like I said: Currently most soldiers and marines do not have weapons that can fire full auto (although I've heard the army is transitioning infantry units from M4 to the M4A1.)

The Army transitioned from the M16 with full auto capability to the one that could only fire three round bursts in the late 1980s. I know this because my own weapon was part of this transition. The M4s in widespread deployment today also only have a three round burst.

The three round burst thing is kinda silly. I never heard of any soldier ever being trained to actually use it in combat, and I've always been curious if there were any doctrine that called for it.

Of course none of this explains whey anyone would ever need to take one of these weapons to the local Denny's.


GLillegard

Trad climber
Portland
Jul 13, 2014 - 05:39pm PT
Studies from Vietnam showed the average Infantryman would expend huge amounts of ammo in full auto panic fire, and the Army modified the rifle with the 3 round auto burst to reign in ammo waste.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 13, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
Three round bursts ARE full auto!

Ask ATF.

And yes it's taught.

FM3-22.9

7-7. MODIFIED AUTOMATIC AND BURST FIRE POSITION

Maximum use of available artificial support is necessary during automatic or burst fire. The rifle should be gripped more firmly and pulled into the shoulder more securely than when firing in the semiautomatic mode. This support and increased grip help offset the progressive displacement of weapon-target alignment caused by recoil. To provide maximum stability, prone and supported positions are best when firing the M16-/M4-series weapon in the automatic or burst fire mode. (If the weapon is equipped with the RAS, the use of the vertical pistol grip can further increase the control the soldier has over the weapon.) Figure 7-9 demonstrates three variations that can be used when firing in automatic or burst fire. The first modification shown involves forming a 5-inch loop with the sling at the upper sling swivel, grasping this loop with the nonfiring hand, and pulling down and to the rear while firing. The second modification involves grasping the small of the stock with the nonfiring hand and applying pressure down and to the rear while firing. The third modification shown is the modified machinegun position when a bipod is not available. Sandbags may be used to support the rifle. The nonfiring hand may be positioned on the rifle wherever it provides the most stability and flexibility. The goal is to maintain weapon stability and minimize recoil.




fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 13, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
In a light infantry rifle, an X-round full auto burst makes a lot more sense than simply full auto.

Reason being when scared you'll dump that 30 rounder before you even know what you're aiming at. Your barrel will now be hotter than Hell, your gas tube glowing red, and the next mag won't be much better for the weapon from there.

Now do this for 10,15 or so mags in a row and you've done irreparable harm to the chamber throat/barrel that will cumulatively affect accuracy until that barrel can be changed out, which can't be done in the field.

Remember that actual training trigger time for the bulk of the normal ground forces is really low due to time and money.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
madb0lter posted
IF cops would shoot on sight this trash with teardrops tatted under their eyes, then you'd get more sympathy from me about your above-quoted statement.

But we're FAR too "civilized" for that. So, instead I wish my friends had been armed to the teeth and could therefore have had at least a fighting chance instead of just being instant victims.

Yes the problem with the American police system is that cops aren't literally Judge Dredd.



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