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T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Mar 25, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
http://abc7news.com/news/friends-colleagues-remember-slain-sj-cop/573431/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 7, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
http://www.drudge.com/news/186997/2nd-amendment-hypocrisy-nra-bans-guns


2nd Amendment Hypocrisy: NRA Bans Guns At NRA Convention

I guess that settles that argument.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Apr 7, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
^^^ LOL.

I mean it, LO... L.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 7, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
Liked this comment from the above link:
You won't be allowed to take your AR-15 to the 2016 RNC either.

You should have to deal with these idiots in Chipotle, Starbucks, or Home Depot, the GOP should not have to deal with them though, not in real life at least.

What? It's fair. Just ask em.

jonnyrig

climber
Apr 7, 2015 - 09:33pm PT
In light of the new forum policy regarding personal attacks in off-topic threads...

"gun" is not a four-letter word.

Firearms, in a variety of configurations, hold a traditional and valued place in our society. They also have valid modern uses, including hunting, target shooting, self-defense, and competition.

While there are some idiots who own guns, and clearly there ard those who should not have them, the vast majority own them responsibly and without incident.

Tactless approaches, such as outright bans and categorically broad restrictions on certain features are, in my opinion, useless and short-sighted attempts to curb violent encounters without curing the root cause for the violent behavior that unduly restrict the rights of law abiding citizens. Same people, I tend to believe, who would applaud other such sacrificial freedoms under the guise of "public safety".

Seems to me this modernly developing fear of the gun is just another indication of a deeper social spinelessness in our country, where the discordant rallying cry seems to whimper "save me from myself" and "sue somebody! It's not my fault!"

It saddens me that so often, there are sooo many self-described intellectual and educated people who, when it comes to guns, seem to just start foaming at the mouth and slobbering out such ridiculously emotion-driven negative rhetoric, I leave in disgust and a vow never to rope up with them. My loss I suppose. Many of them would be a pleasure to climb with in any other sense; but if they're going to judge my intelligence and life's motivation based on firearm ownership, then maybe it's no great loss.

So remember, next time you get tooled for 5mph over or spouting some anti-gun drivel to this thread from behind the wheel on your smartphone, those limitations aren't infringing on your constitutional rights.

Gun is not a dirty word. Intolerance is. And your bias is showing.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 7, 2015 - 09:36pm PT
"gun" is not a four-letter word.

neither is "gay"
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 7, 2015 - 09:45pm PT
"tutu" is four letter word.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Apr 7, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
So is DAVE
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 7, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
I'm proud of that.
couchmaster

climber
Apr 7, 2015 - 10:08pm PT


So we are left with Judge Alex Kozinski's, the son of Holocaust survivors, quote:
"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees*. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

I trust my fellow citizens to be armed more than most most politicians, a few of whom want that position so as to seek power and control over everything. It only takes one bad apple of a politician and all of the horrible things other citizens have done, all together in total, will pale in comparison.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 7, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees

Actually, the reality is far more subtle than this.

Our government does not "refuse to stand for reelection."

Instead, and worse, "elections" dutifully take place, voted on by a small minority of eligible voters, voting on the "best" candidates that TWO parties can puke up into the public light, "vetted" and presented to us by a corporate-owned and PAC-controlled media, "considered" by uneducated and jaded voters who "elect" their "representatives" on charisma and sound-bites ALONE, and who then don't care enough about that "representation" to follow-up and DO anything about the vast and flagrant abuses heaped upon us by those "representatives" while in office. Did I miss anything? I'm sure I did, because the FACT that our "representatives" in virtually NO way actually represent us is so sweeping that it's almost impossible to sum up all the ways that our system of "elected representatives" is utterly broken and no longer "stands for election" in ANY meaningful sense.

And the bit about the "courts" is even sadder in this country today! Totally politicized, we even have a SCOTUS judge in Roberts who can literally ask the question: "If government can do this, then what can government not do?" And, regardless of what you think about the context of that question, THIS judge thought to HIMSELF that a very clear, bright line was about to be crossed, then HIMSELF voted to cross it! Whether there WAS such a line or not, ROBERTS thought to HIMSELF that there was, and HE decided that it should be crossed... throwing the door wide open to the government doing "anything" it pleases. And without even a whimper, America entered a whole new era!

First the interstate commerce clause is "read" to encompass ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, and now, post-Roberts, a "tax" is "read" to encompass ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. So, from the SCOTUS's point of view today, the constitution really has NO limitations on federal power. THAT, my friends, is tyranny, "elected" or not. At present, it's a "benevolent" one (if you ignore the out-of-control IRS and NSA). But it is tyranny nevertheless.

Tyranny has taken us, but it's done it SO slowly and subtly that it is not recognized as such, and most "Americans" literally don't care. Or, worse, they actually believe that because there are "elections," by definition this is not tyranny.

Yeah, you bet that I trust armed and AWARE citizens over "my" government!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 7, 2015 - 11:04pm PT
Well, MB, after two days here with the rels just off the end of Hill AFB Runway 14 watching
the F-16's roar off I feel inclined to paraphrase Roy Scheider:

"We're gonna need a bigger boat!"
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 8, 2015 - 05:27am PT
How did the Poles manage to overthrow the Soviets despite their lack of a second amendment?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 8, 2015 - 06:27am PT
How did Walter White get that M-60? Craigslist?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 8, 2015 - 06:29am PT
Well, MB, after two days here with the rels just off the end of Hill AFB Runway 14 watching
the F-16's roar off I feel inclined to paraphrase Roy Scheider:

"We're gonna need a bigger boat!"

Huge part of the problem... We can't maintain a massive militarized empire like we have now and claim anyone is truly free.

Historically though such overreaching empires don't fare too well under their own weight.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Apr 8, 2015 - 06:56am PT
Oh Andy... :)

Let the boys talk about their toys. These guys aren't out shooting anyone, so far as I know.

DMT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 8, 2015 - 08:00am PT


Very effective against zombies.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Apr 8, 2015 - 08:56am PT
I have a quick question for a person that knows more than me. How come some tracers work well and others do not? My 9mm,308's and 762x39's leave a bright streak even in daylight, but my 556's(223) don't do jack and cost me alot. Is it a FPS thing or only can be seen at night?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 8, 2015 - 08:59am PT
We're gonna need a bigger boat
Huge part of the problem

So true. The very fact that people laugh now about any thought of revolution, saying, "Yeah, right! Like you could have a hope against the US military," indicates how far astray we have drifted. Our government should perpetually be afraid of us, not the other way around.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 8, 2015 - 09:53am PT
I have a quick question for a person that knows more than me. How come some tracers work well and others do not? My 9mm,308's and 762x39's leave a bright streak even in daylight, but my 556's(223) don't do jack and cost me alot. Is it a FPS thing or only can be seen at night?

If it's the American Eagle red-box variants they seem to light about 50% of the time.

The theory I heard is that some are not supposed to ignite until they're a couple hundred yards out anyway. I don't know if that's true since we're limited to 2-300 yards here. The ones that do ignite are at least 100 yards out... You can easily see them on overcast days. In bright sunlight against a light background they are tough to see.
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