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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
If you're into statistics look at swimming pools.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
Or five gallon buckets!
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:16pm PT
If you can't tell the difference between letting children have a childhood and keeping self satisfied adult as#@&%es away from them, you probably have a constitutional freedom argument against restraining laws.

Sorry, Jim, but the frothiness is not on my side. When you use a phrase like "letting children have a childhood," as though the mere appearance of a gun in public (oh, the humanity!) is enough to deny them that (or at least somehow threaten it), you are the one showing how far off center your thinking is.

The appearance of a gun on a person in public SHOULD cause no worry. Its mere existence and visibility is no threat. The worry should be about the massive number of guns hidden on the people that are up to no good. Those you only see when the guns are revealed to accomplish the no good.

Edit: Actually, I'd be interested to see if there is any data suggesting that criminals OPEN carry their firearms into the bank, the store, the school, etc. before they engage in no good. Every video or news article I've seen demonstrates that criminals invariably HIDE the gun up until the moment that they flourish it with ill intent.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
No, because most of us live in reality. When I see a guy openly wearing a gun in a safe environment (100% of the time in my experience so far in 45 years) I automatically think nutcase. When I have lived and hung out in places with lots of gun violence (all urban) there were no tough NRA guys around and most if not all of the violence kills the intended target or random bystanders who get killed no matter how many guns they are carrying.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
Well, OK then !

Kids should be made comfortable at an early age. Then they would be naturally at ease during their 7th birthday party when a 35 year old man is invited as a friend of the family, wearing his AR 15 over his shoulder and given some birthday cake.

I can't think of anything more reassuring to a 7 year old.

Richard, you really should pull in your horns about the reality of deportment.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:32pm PT
My reaction at 7, my siblings and my kids would have been;

Oh boy can we go shooting after the cake?

I must have been about 10 for my first competitive target shoot.

Came in third.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
"I say we give every legal Black man a Gun, just to see what happens."

Excellent idea. The entertainment value alone of watching white gun-nutz go more nutz would be worth the price of admission all by itself.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
TGT,


You had kids at 7 years old ?

Studly !
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
wearing his AR 15 over his shoulder

Well, there's the disconnect in communication, Jim. I've been talking about holstered pistols, and I personally have no sympathy with the mindset of a guy that "needs" to pack a long gun around in public. By definition, a long gun is "carried" in an unholstered condition, and that does raise the eyebrows of normal people in this society, including me.

I get why the Texas activists were open-carrying long guns, and it appears that their protest is having the desired effect, with the Texas senate already having voted on a new slate of firearms laws that are more sane, such as allowing open-carry of holstered pistols. But, yes, I'm the first to agree that it is disconcerting to see a guy stroll into a public establishment with a "military style" weapon in the "ready" position on a sling.

HUGE difference between how "the gun" is portrayed as a pistol in a holster and a long gun open-slung like that.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
If you see a properly holstered sidearm on some man or woman otherwise doing nothing alarming you automatically think "nutcase"?

lol... why? Could be an off duty cop, ranger, po, etc.

Stay away from Wyoming!

Growing up around firearms there was nothing alarming about them. They were tools and we were taught how to use them once we were old enough. There was no "mystery" about them I guess... Like the big knives in the kitchen or Dad's chainsaw or the Bleach under the sink we just didn't touch them because we knew what they could do, and we knew what Dad would do!

*** To add... the guys with the rifles slung on the front in McDonalds also would concern me. I'd leave too but I'd also respect their right (assuming they were behaving safely) to do something that makes me feel uncomfortable.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Jim... I had a .22 when I was 8.

I learned that guns are NOT toys and never to be a plaything.

Intro into responsibility.

But I will agree, non law enforcement with big guns showing is weird.

better to be lo key..... IMHO
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
I guess Perigee missed it.


say we give every legal Black man a Gun, just to see what happens.
I know exactly what would happen, the Gun Nuts would go CrazY!!

Most state gun control laws got their start when Democrat racists wanted to disarm free blacks during the reconstruction era.

Democrat big city mayors are continuing the tradition of denying minorities the means to defend themselves.

Different plantation,


Same party.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
Richard,

Your last post reminds me of Robert Shaw being asked, "What kind of girl do you think I am" ?...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
My folks took us kids out shooting on a regular basis ( exactly what The Constitution had in mind where it says "well regulated" ) starting at about six or seven. We thought it was for fun, but it was probably a plan to satisfy our curiosity toward guns. Probably the same reason we were taught how to swim.

If shooting the guns didn't satisfy our curiosity, cleaning them afterwards certainly got guns out of our system.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
I grew up around guns and chainsaws and all that too. Paid my way through college and grad school teaching shooting at a place in Wyoming, fighting fires and doing tree work. So what? I'm supposed to accept that it's normal to walk around parks or churches with a loaded gun? My kids will be taught proper gun safety and respect, not stupid paranoid protection bullsh#t.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:46pm PT
Took a long gun to high school in 66 on the bus. 8MM Mauser sporter.

It barely raised an eyebrow.

A friend brought his M1 Garand

Nobody got shot.

We both got A's on the speech class 3 min demonstration assignment.

Suburban California and not Idaho too.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujō de la Playa
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
What's really f'd up is that cherry bombs are illegal.

I long for the days when you could open carry a sack around and blow up toilets, turtles, tailpipes, Tonopah, and Tehachapi.

Really gets your machismo on, totally.


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
Jim, the quote is usually attributed to George Bernard Shaw rather than Robert Shaw, but, anyway, I'm not sure how to interpret it in light of our present dialog.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
Scared to death, there have always been people walking around parks and churches armed. You might not have realized it since they were likely concealed. And nobody shot anyone????... Imagine that!

And you have the absolute right, or obligation I'd suggest, to teach your kids to behave however you see fit. Guns or no guns... in the grand scheme of things it's a tiny part of life....

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Mar 23, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
Fair enough, but yes, lots of people have been shot in churches, parks and schools- pick up a paper!
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