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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
You're BACK to that ANNOYING HABIT of SHOUTING WORDS.

Stand back and look your last diatribe. Don't read it... look at it as if you were seeing you for the first time. Like what you see?

I don't think you can help yourself though.

DMT
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
You're BACK to that ANNOYING HABIT of SHOUTING WORDS.

I NEVER STOPPED! So I can't be "back" to it.

LOL

How about we get back to business, which is to agree on some laws that might satisfy ALL parties?

Or would you rather just keep posturing and engaging in your own version of forum drive-by-shootings? You're "back" to those also.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
I'm not nearly as impressed with your word blizzards as you. Enjoy.

I'll snipe when I want. 2nd amendment don't you know.

DON'T SHOOT ME MAN!!!!!!!1111111

DMT
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
I'm not nearly as impressed with your word blizzards as you.

Not much of an attention span, from all I've seen of you.

Sniping is so much easier, and more cowardly, than engaging face to face. Problem is that the word "sniping" implies being on target with precision. You're patting yourself on the back more than you're due to use that term.

And attention spans like yours are why we elect presidents now on sound bites. Americans virtually cannot follow a systematic argument anymore.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 15, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
Sniping is so much easier, and more cowardly, than engaging face to face.

Ah yes. Says the man with the concealed pistol.

DMT
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 15, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
LOL... nope, thus far it's always been open.

I'm just an open and transparent guy.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 15, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
Ahhhhhhhh! Brevity!

Thank YOU!

DMT
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 15, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
So I guess you are admitting your statement here is pure bullsh*t. Now we are getting somewhere.

Jul 15, 2014 - 02:14pm PT

Finally our murder rate will resemble a civilized country's murder rate, not what we have now.

**It already does. So, job done.

Next....**Italic Text
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:05pm PT
So I guess you are admitting your statement here is pure bullsh*t.

Nope, that chart is what is pure bullsh*t.

But that's irrelevant, except to folks that just want to keep on fighting about this.

I've already said that I'm open to reasonable, non-federally-anchored gun laws. And I've offered a few suggestions.

So far no takers on further developing that approach.

Guess you anti-gun-nuts just want to fight.

On the Internet, of course.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 15, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
More ideas?

Sure:

Call your State and Federal representatives explaining that you and a large majority of the population support something similar to what you've listed above. Ask them why they won't.

Vote against candidates that refuse to support such legislation.

Financially support and vote for candidates that will support it.

Stop suggesting that any such legislation will ultimately lead to confiscation of everyone's guns, followed by the announcement of martial law by the Federal Government.

TE




fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 15, 2014 - 06:42pm PT
As long as you lump people into nice categories of "left" and "right" you'll never have a realistic view of anything.

But that's what the regime wants you to do... so carry on...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 15, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
"A civilized country's murder rate"?

Does anybody here know what Hiram Maxim's friend said to him that prompted him to invent the machine gun?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 15, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
"When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my revolver"?
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 15, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
yeah, and don't forget all the armed militias that will RISE UP to counter the Illuminati and The New World Order and the Zionist Entity, and every other phantom that a paranoid guy sitting alone in his desert shack, wearing nothing but a pair of filthy reeking BVDs, can dream up in his feverish, sex-starved brain


frikkin gun nuts--get a life already !!!

Bargainhunter

climber
Jul 15, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
Madbolter,

My point with the commentary about the teardrop gang tattoo was to dispel the myth that a person with a teardrop tattoo is an imminent threat to you. If you arenít involved in gang culture (e.g. appear as a rival gang member), then the guy wearing a Raiderís cap and sporting a teardrop tattoo and other gang tats who is waiting in line in front of you at the Yucaipa 7-11, holding bag of Funyuns and a Slurpee, poses no threat to you. Heís not going to take the stirrer out of your 24 oz Hazelnut coffee and stab you in the eye socket with it, despite how many gangland shows have appeared on TV.

So you can relax your grip on your .454 Casul and pull your hand out of your Patagonia briefs and perhaps think about cooler stuff on the way to Tahquiz like flashing the Vampire or hang dogging Paisano Overhang until you get it dialed.

Gang members are pathetic idiots and you give them too much credit. There isnít a ďruthless Darwinian selection processĒ to join a gang, unless it involves a questionnaire asking if you are A) mentally retarded and B) excited about picking your nose all day. If you friendís brother couldnít make it into a gang, then sadly his cerebral palsy must have been too severe or he failed the complicated questionnaire listed in the previous sentence. Iím not here to make light of your friendís brotherís tragedy, but people in gangs are many, many frijoles short of a full burrito.

Gang violence is primarily between gang members. Sure, innocent people can get caught in crossfire during any escalation of violence or crime but for the most part itís trash killing trash. People outside of that culture arenít really on the radar.

A few other facts that may interest people who havenít been exposed to gang culture (aside from the media drama and Hollywoodís exaggerated silly portrayals) is 1) how young most gang members are (i.e. 13 years old), 2) how physically slight and unintimidating they are, and 3) how incredibly f*#king stupid they are. Most are functionally illiterate; the fact that some have figured out how to use toilet paper and others have learned how to eat their mashed potatoes and peas with a spoon instead of rubbing it all over their foreheads, is, based on their baseline cognitive impairment, impressive.

Tragically, gang bangers have embraced a persona that makes them feel important somehow which revolves around an ethos of senseless violence (e.g. killing another gang member from another neighborhood because heís simply walking down the sidewalk) and cowardly shootings (e.g. drive byes and car to car highway shootings) that makes no rational sense outside of their narrow pathetic world but has itís own reward system within the gang. The cost of this behavior to rest of society is high: incarceration, fear of violence, the expense of law enforcement etc., not to mention the cost of the wasted human potential of both the victim and perpetrator.

My point of bringing all of this up was simply to point out that a baldheaded tatted up latino dude in a wifebeater with teardrop tattoos should not make you get all paranoid and wound up. Relax. Chill out. Try being nice instead of openly hostile. If you feel the context is appropriate you could even ask him about the significance of some of the tattoos, but I suspect by your contempt and anger that this might pose a challenge. Many gang members are proud of their tattoos [like many people with fashion accessories that you may find silly (e.g. gauged ears)] and enjoy talking about them if you show genuine interest and arenít a judgmental as#@&%e.

Perhaps your own tension and fear and misinterpretation of a threat can be replaced by an awareness and compassion that might help you be less angry and less confrontational. You create the world you see.

To get back to the theme of main thread (gun debate issues), and to respond to your point that ďyou apparently think it's much more of a problem/hassle to [conceal carry] do so than it actually is.Ē Yes I absolutely do! Even a loaded Glock 26 in an Uncle Mikeís undershirt-shirt holster is a pain. Itís heavy. I donít feel mortally threatened to carry a weapon all the time as cheap insurance for the infinitesimal chance of really needing a gun to defend myself. Sure, I can imagine a scenario where one really needs a gun (and then you probably really need a gun), but IĎm not just not in those circumstance, ever.

I can also get angry and confrontational and am self-aware enough that having a gun might cause me to loose rational perspective and push things too far with tragic results. Itís also easy to mis-judge situations and perhaps use it against the wrong person, as was the case with a concealed carrier who witnessed the Arizona Representative Gabrielle Giffordsí shooting and nearly shot an innocent guy who took the gun away from the shooter. Accidental discharges can occur too. I feel that most conceal carriers are not honest with the danger they pose to themselves and others by carrying a gun. Some can handle the responsibility, others, Iím not so sure.

I can understand those who feel they need/want to carry, but I think many are preoccupied with phantom fears and imagined threats that are blown way, way out of proportion, e.g. teardrop tattoos.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 16, 2014 - 01:45am PT
Bargainhunter,

You're still "profiling," lecturing, and presuming that you know my emotional responses toward gang members.

You still haven't explained how you think you know so much, which makes me wonder what you are hiding. Don't you think we should have the ability to assess your credibility?

For myself, I don't need that; I'm asking for others. For myself, I read your generalizations and know that you don't know what you are talking about.

I've personally known dozens of gang MEMBER individuals from a variety of gangs ranging from the Diablos to the South Side Mafia. I've known Latinos, blacks, and whites. I don't feel in the slightest threatened by them in general, particularly in non-turf places, such as amusement parks and other non-contested areas.

Your generalizations about their stupidity are, flatly, ridiculous. And your threat assessment generalizations are also, flatly, ridiculous.

I'm done responding to you because I don't care for your lectures, particularly when I know first-hand that your generalizations are unfounded and that you are lecturing to somebody besides me, because addressed to me, what you have to say is also unfounded.

Good day.
couchmaster

climber
Jul 16, 2014 - 07:47am PT
Thanks Madbolter. I'm with Judge Alex Kozinskiís view which is this:


"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failedówhere the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

Bottom line for me, I trust all of you, my friends, fellow citizens and relatives, more than the Government. Seems like an easy choice to me.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:08am PT
I too worry about the abstract threat of a government takeover more than the day to day reality if gun violence.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:10am PT
When the time comes that the army and government decide that elections are done with and it's time for dictatorship to restore America to her rightful place, the gun nuts will be on their side. Believe it.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:11am PT
Bottom line for me, I trust all of you, my friends, fellow citizens and relatives, more than the Government.

I trust everyone around me that's why I carry a gun.

Makes sense.
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