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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
Master of the superlative ! IN THE HOUSE !

ps. the red magic marker phrase was great.
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Apr 11, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
There is nothing "paranoid," "fearful," or irresponsible about that choice.

Interesting choice of words.

:-) No, I don't carry a flood insurance. But you know, in these days of climate change, maybe it will become necessary one day. I'm sure the insurance companies will remove it from the homeinsurance when it would start to matter.

No, I don't paint all gun-carriers with the "paranoid" brush. I perfectly understand why a hunter or target shooter has guns and rifles.

Nor do I try to shame you into changing your perspective. I realise that's an impossible task. Not my task ether. But it's the fear of needing to defend yourself with a gun which is your reason for having it. You say it yourself. And I still think it must be a heavy burden to carry that fear that someone should attack you in such a fashion.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
Mad bolter: Rousing speech. I couldn't stop puking.

You haven't read a single goddamn word, much less though about, the concerns of those who have a different opinion from yours.

Eloquently stated, Lollie.

Unfortunately these guys are lost in a fantasy land where they actually believe that they are the only people who are capable of comprehending the concept of freedom.



Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
This, Stewart, almost sounds like that Bruce Kay person.


Hmmmmmm
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
Bruce and Stewart are not the same person.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:23pm PT
TWINS?????
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:27pm PT
Hey Ron: Always a pleasure to hear from you, and yes, I'm proud to be a Canadian. Unfortunately, the assault weapons that people like you have instead of penises tend to find their way across the border to pollute our nation.

I guess that your ADD is acting up again, since I have repeatedly stated that I have no objection to the responsible ownership or use of non-automatic, small capacity magazine firearms. Furthermore, I am not unacquainted with their use.

As for you, the third to last time I recall seeing your toxic comments was when you were trying to get us to help you massacre 300 MILLION Muslims. The second to last time I recall reading one of your posts, you were drooling over a new bullet that is specifically designed to kill people - the use of which, as I have earlier pointed out, is considered a war crime if used on the battlefield.

Now we have your latest carefully reasoned comments.

And you seriously think that I'd trust you to make rational decisions about anything connected with firearms?

Uh, no.

By the way, thanks guy for confirming your ignorance and paranoia by accusing me of being Bruce. I don't specifically remember his posts, but if he's the guy I think he is, I'd be happy to buy him a beer any time.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
Unfortunately these guys are lost in a fantasy land where they actually believe that they are the only people who are capable of comprehending the concept of freedom.

My carrying a gun doesn't infringe upon any of your inalienable, negative rights. But when people like you try to disarm me, you are indeed infringing upon one of my inalienable, negative rights. I'll leave you alone, and you leave me alone. Fair enough?

Regarding this endless appeal to fear, I'm actually not afraid (any more than I am of being flooded), and I'm not "burdened." I wake up, slip the gun into its holster, and then go about the rest of my day not even thinking about it. Regularly I go to the range, and I enjoy that a lot! Other times I slip a laser into the barrel that is activated when the firing pin strikes it, and I do drills and see whether I am hitting what I'm aiming at. I enjoy that a lot too. So, there's no "burden." It's either enjoyable practice or something I don't think about.

I know the laws (better than most cops), and my gun is incredibly safe; it's effectively impossible for it to discharge accidentally. I say "effectively" only because anything made by humans can in principle fail. But a whole cascade of ultra-low-probability failures would have to take place for the gun to fire unintentionally. Anybody trying to elevate that "effectively impossible" into some substantive risk is the one living in fear!

Furthermore, it's an actual fact (that can be demonstrated) that I can shoot far, far more accurately than 99% of cops, and that from all sorts of positions. And the ammo I use is indeed designed to kill people, which from a public safety point of view is a GOOD thing! It means that my ammo will put a big hole in a BAD guy without traveling THROUGH him to hit somebody else.

In short, you have more to worry about from multiple, simultaneous lightening strikes through your living room ceiling than you have to worry about being shot because you were in proximity to me.

And the VAST majority of gun-carriers are more like me than they are like incompetent, power-mad, militarized cops or criminals (who, by the way, are too-often one and the same).
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
ps. the red magic marker phrase was great.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. These discussions can get so heavy that chuckles back and forth among the "opponents" are certainly worthwhile.

The taco stand is really no "campfire," because we can't see each other's faces. Probably a lot of the sometime heaviness would evaporate in the shared light of a real campfire.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
Hey Stewart, read the bear encounter thread,.... yeah I know, not in Canada.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Hey Ronnie: a Bullpup with a large capacity magazine? I doubt it, since they're illegal even if one of you "responsible gun owners" smuggle them up here.

So how's it going with your attempt to organize a massacre of 300 million Muslims, and are your law enforcement buddies delighted with you for publicizing a new and improved bullet to kill people with?

It's time for you and your deranged buddies to go see a psychiatrist, Ronnie. He might be able to cure you boys from being a disgrace to all that is gentle and decent in the United States of America.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 07:22pm PT
I've seen that video before Ron. The buyer presented his ID which included his Canadian firearms Acquisition License. Is there an American federal license, or do ID requirements vary from one state to another ?
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
Ronnie: I was trying to remember one of your more recent postings that almost genuinely made me sick for its unmistakeable display of your delusional hypocrisy. Feel free to correct me if I've got any of this wrong.

You were crowing about how the U.S. had troops permanently posted in 25 nations across the world, so I asked you how you would feel if, for any reason foreign troops were posted on U.S. soil.

You reacted with some kind of pathetic jingoistic outrage about having a U.S. citizen hiding behind every blade of grass ready to kill these guys. Fair enough, maybe, but not for one keystroke did you have brains or decency, for that matter, to enquire about why these troops could (hypothetically) be posted in your country.

It was an amazing display of the kind of pathological stupidity that makes the Ronnies of this world all "patriotic" about this sort of thing while remaining intellectually stunted enough to be incapable of comprehending that other nations just might feel the same way about having U.S. troops on permanently based upon their soil.

No matter, though - I'm still waiting for you, Ronnie, to have the balls to tell us how your attempts to organize a massacre of 300 million Muslims is going, and how happy your rave reviews for the newly designed people-killer cartridges are being received among your buddies in the law enforcement community.

Toker villian: Nice to see that you're still an idiot. I worked for three years in extremely close proximity to a population of approximately 25 black bears. I never had a single problem with them, although I'm perfectly aware that they are capable of tearing people to pieces.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 08:11pm PT
OK, what the Canadian license is about is much like having proof you took a course in safety and proficiency like a license to drive a car. What states have a similar requirement that could be a permit or certificate ?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 11, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
What states have a similar requirement that could be a permit or certificate ?

In Colorado, which is a shall-issue state, you have to provide proof of an six-hour gun-safety course, and most certified instructors won't give that to you without also range time and demonstrated accuracy. If you pass the BG check and give that certification to your local Sheriff, the Sheriff "shall issue" the CCW.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 10:14pm PT
Ronnie: Not on the drugs you're apparently gooned on.

According to the Tactical Imports web site, the GM 6 rifle (referred to by them as the Bullpup configuration) has a magazine capacity of 5 bullets. I saw the video where the guy fires off more than 5 shots in semi-auto mode, so I checked out the RCMP web site, which confirms the legal maximum magazine capacity of 5 bullets. The clip that guy was using appears to be illegal. That means against the law, Ronnie.

Assuming you're not too stoned at the moment, feel free to check this for yourself.

I'm not interested in debating guns with you - I'm not interested in killing people, so if you can provide irrefutable proof that Canada's gun laws permit magazines larger than 5 bullets, it doesn't change a damn thing that I've said beyond the fact that I'll now have to go after the Canadian Government for allowing this amazing dereliction of its duty to legislate protection for Canadians from the kind of lunatic gun culture that has nearly destroyed the United States.

I also appreciate the brilliant response (as in non-existent) you provided to the statistics provided by the American Bar Association - an organization that even nutbars like you and your clones should be willing to agree is an accurate source of information.

Take your choice, Ronnie - you're either an idiot or a liar when you deny making the statement about the massacre of 300 million (actually 312 million if my memory serves me correctly) Muslims as well as your offensive comments about U.S. troops being permanently posted overseas along with your pathetic response to my question about how U.S. citizens would respond to having foreign troops permanently posted in your nation FOR ANY REASON (sorry about shouting, but you're dealing with a pissed off, yet polite Canadian).

Use what is left of your brains - is it glue that your sniffing? - and consider this for a moment: Is it rational for me to try to make your comments up?

I'll concede this much up front, and I mentioned it in my last post that I would welcome any corrections you could offer to my assertions. Beyond that, I stand by exactly the words that I have attributed to you, and if you want me to go to the considerable effort of tracking down the exact wording, I EXPECT (sorry) you to offer me some form of payment for my time.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 10:36pm PT
Hey Stewart,

This is a good thread with good insights from many people. No one agrees with each other totally, or at all but it's informative if you wonder what the other person bases their opinions on.

Please debate in a civil fashion.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 11, 2015 - 10:52pm PT
the kind of lunatic gun culture that has nearly destroyed the United States.

To paraphrase Mick Jagger, "I'm nearly destroyed!"

Now, about those 300 million massacred Muslims - was that during the Crusades?
Remember, keep it civil, yer a Canuck, eh?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Apr 11, 2015 - 11:00pm PT
Saturday night debate Canada style:

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 11, 2015 - 11:06pm PT
Would that there was pizza in Canada worth fighting over.
I'm still traumatized by the Chinese I had in the bowling alley in Tahsis.
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