The Gun debate sandbox

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 5381 - 5400 of total 5834 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 12, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
Be more specific about why, Chaz...

Credit: Tim Horton
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 12, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
Yes, I forgot to add climbing and all those things you said as more weapons for a person to use in short and quick mass murders.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 12, 2014 - 11:02pm PT
How many young GIs died while defeating the Nazis in Europe?


& now we have these gun-fetish militants stocking up for The Great Race War


it's 1939 all over again



scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 12, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
^^^ haha! I own quite a few guns...including an Armalite you-know-what

it's the lunatic fringe of gun owners that concern me; not the mainstream
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 12, 2014 - 11:19pm PT
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=SRJGitGary5wLM&tbnid=0Zw6Lx42fB6ImM:&ved=0CAUQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fartthreat.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FArmalite-David.jpg&ei=gyTCU4WlC6fW8AGIwIHgAQ&psig=AFQjCNFHUAnRXB9pzxGLOoVwGHJs2P-ilw&ust=1405318659234987


^^^

proudly made in the USA
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:44am PT
Just got back from shooting at our private lil area.

shot the M1, 9mm pistols, and my .50 cal black powder. My buddy and his wife shot their 9s and the 7mm mags to get ready for deer, antelope and elk seasons. We were drilling the ten spots left and right,, even ol tick-lickerTU (.50 cal)was smacking the 10 rings. The only debate was what target was next..
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:51am PT
Nice Ron. I just got back from metal detecting. Found three dollars in change, some junk, and a wireless speaker.

Found out I got a deer tag last week, so I'm going to have to get out and sight in myself, very soon. It pays to check that "alternate" box on your tag apps.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 10:54am PT
I can show you a cool area near me sometime of youd like- nice and private, easy to get to..Good for up to 200 yard targets.
Good job on scoring the tag..

I NEVER had shot my 50 from the bags, but decided to and got a nice bruise on my cheek for the effort lol! Ive always offhanded - first time for everything.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Hey man, we need a hick Country-Western song about open carry of AKs in Applebee's !!

"0hhhhhh....I wuz a carryin mah AK-kaaaaay
A walkin thru Applebeeees, one fine daaaaaay
When I saw me this Negro fella there...holdin up
The cash registraaaaaaaaaa....."


ROFL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:02am PT
fail, epic. one each.^^^^^^^^^ doesnt even rhyme..

Stick to your day job..
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:15am PT
He doesn't have a job.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Then you should know the difference eh? There were NO "military" rifles there. The rifles that were there were NO DIFFERENT than any other SEMI auto deer rifle. A 308 rifle in a classic model is the very same as a 308 in an AR STYLE. They fire one shot with each squeeze eh.

Ron, the AK-47 is clearly a military rifle, while I'm not aware of any military using semi-automatic variants, it must be equally clear that being full-automatic doesn't define a military rifle, unless you consider the M1 or the L1A1 FN not to be military rifles either.

An AK-47 with open sights is both a piss-poor choice of hunting rifle, and a criminally negligent weapon for self-defense in a crowded grocery store. I fully understand the point of the Texas protests, my issue is not with their grievance about open carry of pistols, it is with the fact that legal open carry of loaded long guns (of any type) serves no benefit to anyone except to terrorists and murderers. If only the criminals have guns, then the cops will know who to shoot.

Hunters and target shooters can simply unload and/or case their weapons before leaving private property, sportsmen in every other country can manage this simple process. Carrying any loaded gun in a public place should be subject to at least the equivalent testing and eligibility process as driving a car. I can't open carry a fishing rod in PA unless I'm displaying my fishing license, yet unlicensed concealed carry of a firearm is only misdemeanor. That's F'd up.

TE
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:47am PT
being full-automatic doesn't define a military rifle


The current models of the M4 and M16, standard issue for the US military, are not full automatic.

There is no strict definition for "military rifle." The NRA gun-manufacturing lobby and their stooges love to exploit this fact, even though it is irrelevant.

There's no good reason anybody needs to walk around in public with semiautomatic rifle, none. Anybody who does, legally or not, is pathetic.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 13, 2014 - 11:52am PT
Safe to say, not one military on earth fields semi-auto AK's.
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Define what is carrying in public places? Downtown? The greater metropolitan areas? US Forest Service lands? BLM lands? Walmart?
Bargainhunter

climber
Jul 13, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
Ron,

This is what I was concerned about in my post yesterday regarding open carry making you a target, and law enforcement being disproportionally targeted as well. In other words, carrying guns can increase your risk of violence and is not always a deterrent.

As this example in today's LA Times demonstrates:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-new-jersey-city-police-officer-killed-20140713-story.html
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 13, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
If only the criminals have guns, then the cops will know who to shoot.

If only they WOULD, there would be a lot less debate on this subject. Again, if ALL you want to see is citizens proxying their right of self-defense, then that proxy had better be AWESOME, reliable, and very, very systematic in defense of that right!

But that proxy is NOT!

Two friends of mine went up near Idelwild to do some bouldering. When next seen, they had been shot dead on the remote road. Cops believed that it was gang-banger, execution style, so that those living sacks of dung could tattoo teardrops under their eyes.

IF cops would shoot on sight this trash with teardrops tatted under their eyes, then you'd get more sympathy from me about your above-quoted statement.

But we're FAR too "civilized" for that. So, instead I wish my friends had been armed to the teeth and could therefore have had at least a fighting chance instead of just being instant victims.

Armed, they would have had at least some chance, however small. Unarmed, they had exactly ZERO chance.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 13, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
Again Bargain Hunter, your word "disproportionately" seems a bit over done.

How many cops were on duty that day across America that werent shot at?

Are we talking about some millions to one ratio?

And are you forgetting that in a post above i mention the fact that scant few folks have even noticed i was carrying that i could tell?


Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 13, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Define what is carrying in public places? Downtown? The greater metropolitan areas? US Forest Service lands? BLM lands? Walmart?

Yes
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 13, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
The current models of the M4 and M16, standard issue for the US military, are not full automatic.

Yes they are!

The M-16 was modified to fire only 3 round bursts on the auto setting.

The M4-A1 will fire single, 3round burst or full auto
Messages 5381 - 5400 of total 5834 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews