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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
this has never been a high priority subject with the general populace.

The vote just reflects that, like it should



http://www.gallup.com/poll/161813/few-guns-immigration-nation-top-problems.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
And filibusters were used very infrequently then, Chaz. Now they happen all the time.

And yea, that 'simple majority' solution to change the filibuster rules isn't called the 'nuclear' option for no good reason. No one wants to go that route.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
46 Senators have just shown that they believe their jobs are more important than saving lives. I can't believe that I would ever have voted Republican, but Sen. Toomey's courage has assured my vote for his re-election.

All the rest of the partisan sh#t is just that, less taxes for less services, or more taxes for more services, its all a wash, nothing but opinion to justify whether one or the the other is right. I couldn't give a damn about abortion or gay marriage, won't affect my life, so this issue is the only one where we can be 100% sure to make a positive improvement in the lives of Americans. 46 Senators are going to answer soon enough.

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Nope. Totally different drugs with totally different effects. One has been tested for millenia, the other about 30-40 years.


So they still get to drive?

Sure why not? It doesn't affect your coordination. I bet a person on Prozac could kill way more people than a drunk fuker with the same weapons.

Let's just make sure they aren't amassing an arsenal and keep an eye out for personality changes for the first few critical months they are on new medications... at least until we know how they are affected.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Agreed. Get on that.
jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
"46 Senators have just shown that they believe their jobs are more important than saving lives."


It's not just their jobs they'd lose, though - it's their whole goddamn party. They'd lose everything. By voting yes today, they'd be handing the federal gov't over to the dems come next election. The Tea Party would make sure of it.


Repubs know they're doomed anyway - but compromising on guns would seal their doom that much quicker.


It's a purely political calculation.


Dems just have to wait a few more election cycles - then we get to do whatever we want.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
By voting yes today, they'd be handing the federal gov't over to the dems come next election.

The Tea Party would make sure of it.

yep

and the Tea Party has already cost the Republicans the US Senate

jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
"Reid's vote was just chickensh#t, and just another example of his perpetuating politics-as-usual, which we've all had enough of."


...sigh...


Again, it was procedural. They weren't voting on the bill itself, but on cloture. Reid's "no" vote, as majority leader, tabled the motion.










jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
"Chaz,, Reid-tard has been put on notice, and he fears for his precious position."


Reid is the majority leader, now and for the foreseeable future. Nevadans would be stupid to vote him out - they'd lose the benefit of having the Senate Majority Leader as one of their senators. They'd be trading a senior, majority-leader senator for a first-termer. Idiotic.

But shouldn't someone from Nevada, with 60 posts a day to a political thread, already know that?



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Maybe not so idiotic Hedge. If Reid wasn't there to oppose it, perhaps Yucca Mountain would open with the result being tens of billions in fed expenditures and thousands of good paying jobs. And of course any idiotic first termer wouldn't bite the hand of the mining and gaming industry that feeds them.The only industry/constituency that would be shortchanged would be the "undocumented democrats".
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:34pm PT

Dems just have to wait a few more election cycles - then we get to do whatever we want.


Sounds like a democracy I'd love to live in! Just kidding, I'm enjoying a land where we are free, mostly because there are fewer dummies and far fewer rules.
jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
"If Reid wasn't there to oppose it, perhaps Yucca Mountain would open with the result being tens of billions in fed expenditures and thousands of good paying jobs."

Sorry - the gov't can never create jobs. All it can do is waste money. The free market alone decides which industries succeed and fail, not Harry Reid.

Try to keep up.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
LMAO Hedge at your conversion
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
actually,

excellent sarcasm, Hedge!
jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
"LMAO Hedge at your conversion"

Mocking wingnuts? Since when is that a conversion?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Senators need guns....they certainly don't have guts. There is quite a positive correlation between gun ownership and weak stomachs.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Regardless of why your singing the tune, eventually with enough repeats you'll begin to believe it. Go to your own training manuals Hedge for validation on this technique.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
well,

both Ron Anderson and myself are disappointed with the Senate today

both of us support increased background checks
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
weak
jghedge

climber
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
"both of us support increased background checks"


Me too - but only politically. In terms of impact on gun violence, it means nothing either way - especially the ridiculously watered-down bill that would, obviously, have been defeated in the House anyway.

Pinning your hopes for gun control, Norton, on the chance that repub party would go along with it, thereby committing political suicide, was probably never very realistic, right?

Dare I hope you're starting to see the light?

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