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Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 10, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
I wish that some day you guys who seem to think that drooling over gun porn is somehow an admirable character trait would actually sit down for a few moments, clear your brains, and consider two facts:

1) The U.S. is the only "civilized nation" on planet earth that doesn't have a taxpayer funded universal health care system for all citizens.

2) The U.S. has the highest murder rate in the civilized world, most of which are committed by firearms.

There are many things to admire about the U.S., but this infantile obsession with high power weaponry isn't one of them, especially Ron Anderson's most recent love affair with ammunition that is specifically designed to kill people - a design feature that will be happily embraced by every nutbar who wants to kill a cop, or any other law abiding citizen for that matter.

If you've got to play with guns, there are plenty of target ranges out there and lots of game to hunt. You most definitely don't need assault weapons to do this stuff, regardless of what you believe to be your "rights".

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 10, 2015 - 06:38pm PT are so right on and you are so speaking to deaf ears.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2015 - 06:58pm PT

I had no idea that shooting from the hip on my part, was construed as accurate...

So in the pursuit of fair play concerning guns, I'll accept the censure of freedom and make sure everyone is armed at the next children's birthday party I attend...

LOL ! No, really, from the bottom of my heart... I wish I could stop laughing !

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 10, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
Wait! Wait, Jim....

Earlier I had been thinking, "It's about time for Jim to hop on and deliver his regularly-scheduled, belittling commentary on how from his lofty vantage he is able to inform us that this discussion is all insignificant and that we're all wasting our time with it."

And then you DID, and I felt really good about it! I love to see you waste YOUR time to tell us how we're wasting our time. And right on time too!

Except that this time you are actually expressing an opinion! You've taken a SIDE (gasp!).

Care to ARGUE for your statement, or is the mere fact that you've issued it all we need in order for us to KNOW which side is the correct one?

Hmmm... if you ARGUE for your opinion, then you are wasting your time along with us; and you just rebuked us for doing that. Yet, if you don't, then you're just baldly pontificating.

But wait, even your claim that it's all a worthless waste of time is itself just bald pontificating.

I guess that we're ALL entitled to our opinion and to the expression of it, even when such expression falls on deaf ears regarding a waste-of-time topic.

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 10, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
People that seem to blame firearms or any other inanimate object (drugs, booze, etc) for the ills of a society remind me somewhat of deeply religious people who participate in an organized religion.

There's just no reason to be had and no chance of convincing them one way or the other.

And that's ok.


Social climber
So Cal
Apr 10, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
I've got some theory's on why there's so much pontification from BC on their southern cousins. Won't go into them now. It might be considered un PC now.

Once a pone a time I met a young Quebecker couple in JTree that uncharacteristically for native French speaker weren't complaining about everything, but they did whine about their worries about getting hurt in a country without a government run medical system.

I S'plained it to 'em.

They take you to the county hospital, you get the finest treatment available from what is usually a university affiliated teaching hospital on the local taxpayers dime and then you skip out on the bill like every other illegal alien.

As far as the murder rate goes;
When you factor out the "progressively" run urban areas, the murder rate is a bit lower than that exceedingly violent country,



Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 10, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
Ron: Glad to see that you read my post so carefully.

By the "civilized world", I assumed that even you would understand that I referred to the democracies on this planet, and I stand by my words...

as well as my other statements.

And please don't shout, assuming that you comprehend that the use of capitalized letters on the internet apparently indicate that intent.

TGT: have at it and, by the way, I guess that your health care system exists solely to provide free health care to Canadians, so I guess that all those stories of U.S. citizens who are financially destroyed by illness or injury are just fabrications of your socialist media, and patriots like you are just too polite to provide the facts to the rest of the world.

Furthermore, I'm about as interested in what's PC as you are. Unlike you, I have a mind of my own.

Belgium? Nice factoring - now if we just consider only the Mojave Desert, the U.S. murder rate is practically zero. I guess you learned your math from Chaz.

Chaz: give me a break - how many people live in Greenland? Assuming that your comment is supported by facts, in the event that you are capable of understanding mathematics, a tiny population sample is pretty fertile ground for all kid of amazing statistical games. Get real. Who else is on this list?


Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 10, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
Stewart writes:

"By the "civilized world", I assumed that even you would understand that I referred to the democracies on this planet, and I stand by my words..."

You mean like Greenland? Their homicide rate is several times greater than the U.S. rate. They're not the only democracy with a worse murder rate than the U.S.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2015 - 09:22pm PT
That's great MB1, I'd LOL at your preconceived opinion of me but that would be presumptuous... (joke)

I would reason that sidearms at a birthday party for children would be more an adult's fantasy in real time than anything a kid would request.

I know, some people have stated they were being trained by their parents and shooting guns at 5 years old. Did I have a problem with that ? No, I didn't.

Try some common sense and what is appropriate in context to a given social situation. That's what I'm about. Open carry is like having your dick erect in public. God gave you that gift, it's how you play with it that matters...

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 10, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
Gee Ron, TGT, and Chaz - nice try.

I was referring to firearm related homicides. I thought that was clear, and I'm absolutely right. My apologies if I wasn't clear.

The U.S. is at the top of the list by a country mile.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2015 - 10:00pm PT
Got a link ?

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 10, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
Ron: Nice try. I was originally referring to the infantile obsession with high-powered firearms that you guys have, particularly those loaded with ammunition solely designed to kill people. And then you dare to whine about your "rights".

Facts are facts. You can put lipstick on a pig and call it something else, but it's still really a pig.

Look up the intentional death by firearm stats all by yourself and feel free to correct me. Maybe the NRA can fabricate some numbers for you.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 10, 2015 - 10:09pm PT
Stewart writes:

"I was referring to firearm related homicides. I thought that was clear, and I'm absolutely right. My apologies if I wasn't clear."

I stand corrected.

When you wrote "murder rate", I mistakenly thought you were talking about murder rate.

My apologies.

When you wrote "democracies", you're talking about democracies. Right? Just want to double check before I point out the firearm murder rate in places like Brazil, Mexico, and Venezuela - democracies all.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2015 - 10:23pm PT
Murder has a lot to do with the weapon of choice, given legal alternatives and federal restrictions.

I'm proud to say that beating, knifing, Bludgeoning, suffocating and drowning people as a way to resolve differences takes precedence over bullets in Canada.

We treat bullets as a luxury and tax them accordingly.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2015 - 10:46pm PT

Your link simply states whatever as being so. There is no correlating stats or even so much as a simple starts here, goes there graph.


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 10, 2015 - 11:08pm PT
Iceland: 14,726.95 crimes per 100,000 population

Well, whoever put that list together is a complete moron. Have you ever been to Iceland? I mean seriously. Their population is only 325k total which would be 48k crimes by those stats - only an imbecile would believe that if they had any knowledge of the country at all.

So unless cribbing extra pickled fish at a smorgasbord is now a crime that list couldn't be more full of sh#t - especially given their pretrial incarceration rate is 12 per 100,000 (not that there's anywhere to go...). Bottom line is that crime stat posted to by 'web guy' you referenced is a complete fabrication going around the internet like a bad meme.

And to further push the point - anyone committing a crime against anyone else in Iceland would be committing it against a second cousin at the most distant relation. It's a ludicrously stupid ranking.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 11, 2015 - 07:45am PT
I believe it. People go batshlt crazy from holing up in the arctic, and they are the children of vikings!

Just imagine what you would be like after 5 months of splitting up pickled fish with yer second cousin/gf.

And now a few words from somebody who has never heard of a conspiracy he didn't believe;....

Apr 11, 2015 - 09:06am PT
American Empire Exposed


Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Apr 11, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
Crime statistics
Crime statistics
Credit: Lollie


Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Apr 11, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
The following information is courtesy of the American Bar Association. I assume that they have a legal duty to post accurate information:

1) Firearm deaths in the U.S. are 8 times higher than its economic counterparts.

2) Among children 15 years old and younger, firearm deaths are 12 times higher than in 25 other industrial countries combined.

3) The U.S. has the highest rate of youth homicides & suicides among 26 wealthiest nations.

Feel free to check this out for yourselves.

The above information aside, I still maintain that there is something seriously wrong with the mentality of individuals who feel that it is their "right" to own high power assault weapons with large capacity magazines - especially those equipped with ammunition that is specifically designed to kill human beings. The use of this kind of ammunition on the battlefield is considered a war crime, by the way.

I weary of attempting to explain what I consider to be just common decency.
Arguing with you guys is like trying to teach a stone frog how to fart.*

Bernard Cornwell, if I remember correctly.
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