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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 11:14am PT
Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn.

Point of clarification: I wasn't yawning about the incident; I was yawning about your incessant posting of such incidents, as though you are successfully making a point.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 20, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
Driving is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right.

What about that well regulated militia part? As for driving being more dangerous...

ACCORDING to data gathered by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), deaths caused by cars in America are in long-term decline. Improved technology, tougher laws and less driving by young people have all led to safer streets and highways. Deaths by guns, though—the great majority suicides, accidents or domestic violence—have been trending slightly upwards. This year, if the trend continues, they will overtake deaths on the roads.

The Centre for American Progress first spotted last February that the lines would intersect. Now, on its reading, new data to the end of 2012 support the view that guns will surpass cars this year as the leading killer of under 25s. Bloomberg Government has gone further. Its compilation of the CDC data in December concluded that guns would be deadlier for all age groups.

...the National Rifle Association, whose allies in Congress also block funding for the sort of public-health research that might show, in even clearer detail, the cost of America’s love affair with guns.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21638140-gun-now-more-likely-kill-you-car-bangers-v-bullets?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/bangersvbullets

madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 20, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
What about that well regulated militia part?

It is irrelevant to the argument you need to make:

1) the amendment presumes the existence of the right; the amendment does not grant it

2) the "militia part" is provided as one example benefit of the right and as a reason why the government should not in any way infringe upon the right

3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true

I could go on and on. The utter and demonstrable irrelevancy of the "militia part" to the whole and to the right itself is epic!

Regarding the dangers of automobile accidents, cars have gotten safer, which has transferred the dangers from outright death to an increased risk of lifelong maiming. Look at accident statistics where injury (rather than death) is the issue, and be amazed.

Personally, I'd much rather outright die than be rendered barely functional! I've said to myself many times during my climbing career: "If I'm gonna hit that ledge, I hope I have enough velocity to outright splatter!"
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Feb 21, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Jonnyrig, I see you deleted your post before my statistic comment and your post right after responding to it.

Really weak sauce dude.

I guess we need to start quoting you each time before you delete what you post.
crankster

Trad climber
Feb 23, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Sporting-goods-store-worker-accidentally-shot-6057322.php

http://www.people.com/article/woman-adjusting-bra-holster-shoots-self
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 23, 2015 - 01:58pm PT
3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true

Thanks for providing some clarity.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
Damn! Those biscuits don't stand a chance!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
We keep making cars that are safer, and guns that are more lethal, so the question isn't when will guns kill more young people than cars, but rather why isn't that the case already?
perswig

climber
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
!~~~"allat the snackbar"

Okay, that was funny.
Dale
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 23, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
"Local range filled to the brim"

Around here that is the stuff of nightmares.

One good thing about the .22 drought; a lot less yahoos and more serious marksmen at the range these days.

I've been enjoying my new CZs (75T and P0-9).
9mm is the new plinker.
crankster

Trad climber
Feb 23, 2015 - 03:38pm PT
http://www.grenadastar.com/contentitem/386420/1218/man-accidentally-shot-by-own-gun
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 23, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
What else did the guy have in the "carrying bag"? A pocket weasel?
Darwinism?


The CZ 75T is an otb race gun with an incredibly good trigger job and a 20 + 1 cap, but still fits in the box.
I'm thinking of shooting minor in 3G as a senior.
( just for shlts and giggles)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 23, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true

Thanks for providing some clarity.

lol
jonnyrig

climber
Feb 25, 2015 - 10:22am PT
Some people are idiots. Spoke to an employer who, out of 16 applicants, had ONE pass the drug test. Applicants knew there was a drug test and that they had to pass it. Maybe that should be a prerequisite for firearms purchase as well?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 27, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
Some people are idiots. Spoke to an employer who, out of 16 applicants, had ONE pass the drug test. Applicants knew there was a drug test and that they had to pass it. Maybe that should be a prerequisite for firearms purchase as well?

There's already a federal prohibition on buying or owning a firearm if you're an unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance. That one could use a little more enforcement. Might filter out a few of the nuts here.

TE
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:06pm PT
Did y'all know that John Wilkes Booth's Derringer was a 44 cal?
Pretty amazing that Lincoln lived for the hours that he did.

Ron, you guys selling many PX4 Storm Compacts? It looks pretty nice and,
of course, it is one of the few 'Cali approved handguns'. I guess they
call it the PX4 Storm Type F Compact so it will go well with my new Jag Type F.

The retractable lanyard loop is a tad gimmicky but then I guess you could
clip it to yer harness to clear the crag of taggers.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
Did y'all know that John Wilkes Booth's Derringer was a 44 cal?

That thing gave me the creeps.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
ron
tell us more about the notch on your gun
You must be very proud.

Like a badge of Honor...
Was he brown?
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
Gotta get a grip on yur politicians.


Are you threatening to murder anyone in particular?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
I'm OK with some good old-fashioned tar & feathering. As long as it's followed up with a running out of town on a rail.
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