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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 16, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 16, 2015 - 09:14pm PT
^^^ Amazing, articulate, and knowledgeable.

"This is not a danger to our society."

Nuff said.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:22am PT
The problem is that fact threatens the legislature... The emporer has no clothes. Their only "power" is to pass even more laws that cannot or will not be followed. We have way too many of those already. It's worse than the other abject failure in this country, the "tax code" that nobody can understand.

The solution to complex socio-economic problems creating gangland USA is NOT more laws. The solution to complex individual psychological problems is NOT more laws...

But when all you have is a hammer.....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:57am PT
fear, it makes sense if you view law enforcement as an industry. You don't want to use up all
of your primary commodity and put yourself out of business, do you?
flatlandermcjack

Ice climber
South Dakota
Mar 17, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
If your going to ban guns, why not ban cars, kitchen knives, motorcycles, bicycles, boats, saws, trampolines, and hammers among others? Those are just as dangerous as guns, and car and motorcycle related deaths are much more common than gun related deaths.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 17, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
...why not ban cars...

I'm sure there's an office somewhere in the EPA working on that...
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 17, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
I'm sure there's an office somewhere in the EPA working on that...

+10

ROFL
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
Ma Deuce and horses 1933.

Amazing that it's essentially unchanged and still performing the same tactical function.



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
John Browning was a genius, period. If you haven't been to his museum
in Ogden, Utah you haven't lived. I'll be going there again real soon.
crankster

Trad climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:54pm PT
What a nut.
C'Mon in folks, and get your "Mexican" defense guns now!
Insane.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
4 Mexicans drove into the middle of Edmunds Drive around 11:00 am this morning and just started firing at cars, people, houses whatever. One witness said as many as forty to fifty shots.


And people wonder why America is arming itself at an all time rate.

Translation: We need more guns because there's a lot of people running around with guns.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
Maybe they just need hugs.

Ron, try "Dame un Abrazo" next time.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Mar 17, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
Ron A,

2 can play the game and more than 2 usually do:


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 17, 2015 - 11:55pm PT
Translation: We need more guns because there's a lot of people running around with guns.

We need guns in the hands of good, law-abiding citizens because there's bad, not law-abiding citizens running around with guns, and the cops can't be everywhere in the nick of time to defend the good citizens.

There, fixed it for you, Gary.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 18, 2015 - 07:18am PT
"Debate" sandbox......don't think so. Why debate when you can pontificate?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 18, 2015 - 07:20am PT
donini, the Internets was invented so we could pontificate. That's what makes it fun.

Madbolter, that the proliferation of guns in society can be cured by the proliferation of guns in society just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure it does wonders for Sam Colt's bottom line, though.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Mar 18, 2015 - 07:35am PT
^^^ Gary now you know the logic of why the Iranians want nukes.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 18, 2015 - 07:47am PT
Hey, Jim, tell us about the gangs in Ouray. And I bet you have a higher than average gun
ownership rate there but a lower than average gun crime rate. And wazzup with the open
carrying of midieval battle weaponry there all winter? Hasn't that lead to wanton mayhem?
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 18, 2015 - 07:53am PT
Why debate when you can pontificate?

LOL

From what I've observed, pontification is exactly your style.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 18, 2015 - 08:04am PT
Madbolter, that the proliferation of guns in society can be cured by the proliferation of guns in society just doesn't make sense to me.

Let's say that every person that owned and carried a gun was 100% perfect in their responsibility, situational awareness, and law-abiding nature. Would proliferation of guns be any problem then? After all, in such a scenario a gun would never be misused, and guns would rarely be used, because criminals would not have nor use guns. In such a scenario the number of guns would be irrelevant to the rate of misuse of guns, because there would be no misuse of guns.

Now, think about speed. We've had it foisted off on us (as a massive revenue-generating scheme) that speed limits save lives, because "speed kills." But even scratching the surface on the facts reveals that it is not speed that kills but differential of speed that kills. In LA, for example, it is common for literally millions of people to be speeding along the freeways at 75+ MPH, bumper to bumper, and per-capita accidents on the LA freeways are quite infrequent (especially compared to the I25 here in Denver, which at any given moment has an accident clearing and lanes shut down). LA drivers have learned how to cram together, pretty much get in line, and just BLAST along in flagrant violation of the arbitrarily low speed limit. That is a "proliferation of speed."

But, as with a "proliferation of guns," speed in the right hands is no problem.

The "things" are NOT the problem. And the vast, vast majority of gun owners are not the problem (as evidenced just above in that video). Guns, as with speed, CAN and almost always ARE handled responsibly. The real "gun problem" we face is a criminal problem!

Take out gangland America, and you very quickly solve most of the "gun problem," and you would probably even motivate less "gun proliferation" among everyday citizens. Until then, however, you can continue to worry about the "things" that are not the problem.
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