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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Doesnt make me sad in the least. And further,, im not sad that it makes you sad eh..


and Frank,, that of course is PRIVATE sales at gun shows- every one there with a booth has an FFL and does indeed do background checks.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
I'm happy it makes me sad.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:17pm PT
And yet,, i dont care...
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
Happy for DMT, sad for Ron, which makes me Moosemix, but otherwise Mooseclam.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Had it NOT BEEN for a gun, i wouldnt be here today,, now THAT would have made me sad. Some of you that would have made happy, but again,, i do not care.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
I hope Ron gets mental health therapy before he pulls a Zimmerman. Or he's put under house arrest. The world will be a better, safer place.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 8, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
3 posts into your "Do Not Care" route is troubling, Ron. I think you DO care. That makes me happy too.

P1 of Do Not Care (5.5 G, P1 is sorta confusing but becomes straight forward the higher you get ;D )
And further,, im not sad that it makes you sad eh..


P2 of Do Not Care
And yet,, i dont care...

P3 of Do No Care
but again,, i do not care.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 8, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
...but rather a reactionary thing AFTER they commit more crime and finally get caught.

Ron is on to something. We need to be proactive and arrest people BEFORE they commit crime.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 8, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
This guy is worth watching and listening to.

"I'm not looking to scare folks."

Bullsh#t.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jul 8, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
What is really scary is a bunch of heavily armed, paranoid people.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
News flash Gary,, entering ILLEGALLY into this country IS a "crime" punishable by law. Hence the reference "Illegals/gang members...
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Jul 8, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
Moose,, there are directives and policies pushed by the FED govt that prevent MANY illegals from being removed. The VERY same policies that now fly plane loads of recently rounded up illegals from the border to various American towns and cities. Why are those illegals not being flown back into Central or South American countries from whence they came?

These policies protect illegals from local law enforcement to a great degree. When our sheriff put an article in our local news about how many KNOWN gang members now resided in our town, he couldnt even identify them to the public as they are given the SAME rights at legal US citizens in many regards.
Maybe you should ask why several states now issue

So many stupid statements in only two small paragraphs.
Why don't you educate yourself as to what laws apply to illegal immigrants and why law dictates who stays and who goes back immediately. Also educate yourself to the legal differences between adjacent countries and non-adjacent ones. There's also a difference between children and adults aliens.

Do your own homework for a change.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
^^^
You can't expect someone to educate themselves when they display his kind of ignorance. Regularly.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 8, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
I totally see the light now....



Guns is totally necessary and you second amendment f*#kers are all correct in you assertions that guns are not the problem.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 8, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
Yeah, but how many died in auto accidents? Let us have our guns because they aren't that dangerous!

We also need guns because guns are totally fuking dangerous.

Or something.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 8, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
Why are you equating background laws (regulations) to banning? Alcohol and drugs should be legal and regulated. Just like guns.

I'm equating them because people like you are proposing that there should be NEW laws to BAN gun sales to criminals.

You are talking ban: keep them out of the hands of criminals. Your argument went as follows:

1) There are too many guns in the hands of criminals, which makes the streets unsafe, particularly in some places.

2) (1) contributes to an overall proliferation of guns, because law-abiding citizens thus wish to protect themselves.

3) Address (1) by strong legislation to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and you will reduce overall gun violence, both from criminals and from law abiding citizens that might misuse their gun.



4) Thus, the solution to gun violence is increased legislation to entirely ban criminals from having guns.

You outright told me upthread that citizens would have no need of a gun if criminals could be kept from getting guns.

Thus, I talk about a "war on guns" in exactly the context of a BAN, because that is precisely what you propose: legislate guns out of the hands of criminals!

And you have EXACTLY the same chance of success with that BAN as you have seen in the other "wars on...."

CURRENT laws BAN guns in the hands of criminals. CURRENT laws preclude criminals from purchasing guns by standard channels. And NO proposed laws will have the slightest effect on mass shootings, as even Colorado's goofball current governor now admits.

You simply are not going to legislate this problem away, as we have already seen that even the current "war on guns" has had no measurable effect.

Now, regarding "feeling safe" in some areas and not in others, I can only say: good luck with that. So far you've had good luck. I promise you, however, that the woman robbed at gunpoint across the street from our office three weeks ago had EVERY reason to feel safe where she was. But that "feeling" of being in a "safe and decent area" was irrelevant to the facts.

"Tactical" and "situational awareness" already presumes the sort of training that responsible gun owners develop. You have it, so you take it for granted. But notice how you got it. The average person simply does not think like somebody who EVER carries a gun. And they should! So thank you for helping make my point.

Regarding "feeling safe" in places where I can't carry, you entirely miss the point. This has nothing to do with "feeling" anything. I prefer to intentionally address risks as appropriate, and where I cannot, I accept risks as necessary.

My gun is not a big, heavy, dangerous tool! My gun is quite small, quite light, and not at all dangerous in itself. Look up the safety features on the H&K P30. It is about the safest gun on the market, while being very quickly deployable. It would actually be HARD to accidentally fire it off. And I already don't notice it on my hip most of the day. I find my ring of keys FAR more irritating and noticeable during the day.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 8, 2014 - 05:19pm PT
4) Thus, the solution to gun violence is increased legislation to entirely ban criminals from having guns.

Woh! Holy strawman batman. I specifically mentioned we can't ban criminals from having guns, we should just take steps to reduce the number easily available to them. But it seems you don't want to debate that. Instead you need to spin my arguments into unreasonable conclusions that you CAN refute.

You outright told me upthread that citizens would have no need of a gun if criminals could be kept from getting guns.

What?! LOL. Show me where I said that.

You asked the question:

How about we go back to the really pressing question, which is: What proposed gun laws would keep guns out of the hands of criminal?

Which I answered, but in my first post I stated you would not accept the answer, and in my second post I said you would attempt to refute with fallacies (which you have done, see the strawman argument above.)

Maybe you meant "keep ALL guns out of the hands of criminals", but that's an absurd question since it's an impossible task, so I took it more as the reasonable "keep any significant number of guns out of the hands of criminals". Which is a reasonable and attainable goal.

P.S. I've learned a lot more about staying safe and avoiding confrontation in martial arts training than in firearms training. If I only could choose one to stay safe I'd take the martial arts training every time.

P.P.S. You asked for a proposed gun law. Not a "solution to gun violence". Which would logically include better mental health care, more jobs for inner city youth, perhaps legalizing drugs, etc. There is no "solution", there are just things we can do to help reduce gun violence, and some of them are gun laws. California's relatively strict gun laws have probably been a factor in the state's gun violence decreasing more than the rest of the country has, and as a gun owner they don't bother me in the least.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Bullshyt^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Weapons are the NUMBER ONE world wide traded commodity. If they cant get guns here they will import them across borders that are as secure as a gangland neighborhood.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 8, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
News flash Gary,, entering ILLEGALLY into this country IS a "crime" punishable by law. Hence the reference "Illegals/gang members...

When you start complaining about corporations and their Republican stooges giving them jobs, I'll listen to what you have to say.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 8, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
Better look up thread then Gary, because i HAVE complained about that. And it ISNT just republicoons hiring them.
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