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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:44am PT
Perhaps you are forced to live or work in a high crime neighborhood, and have no other employment or residential options, if so, owning or carrying a gun may genuinely improve your safety.

As the Northglenn mugging a few weeks ago demonstrates (and what motivated me to finally take the plunge), you CANNOT know what is a "high crime area." What seems like a decent and safe area simply is not.

If you grant, as you appear to, that packing a gun can be a good thing in a "high crime area," then its goodness is sweeping, as you simply don't know what is "high crime" and what is just you getting mugged or accosted.

If right next door to our office can be a broad-daylight mugging scene, then it can happen anywhere (and actually does).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:46am PT
MB, have you considered one of the new Glocks for the wife? From what I've read the new
double spring lessens recoil noticeably.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:48am PT
We tried out that Desert Eagle, and it does scream quality. But it is a heavy gun, even the 1911 version. I was hoping for one gun that would be good for both of us. But I'm seeing that even the .40 is a bit much for my wife. She's just too small-built to recover from the recoil and get back on target quickly. She handles it just fine, but the retargetting delay is unacceptable. So, a .45 would be the same issue.

Gotta go .380 or 9mm for her. Even the .380 has acceptable penetration, and within typical self-defense range it is accurate enough that shot placement is a go.

I hear, though, that all .380s jam quite a bit. The Walther is supposedly better on this score, but "better" isn't good if it's an actual problem!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:50am PT
Reilly,, im not a glock fan.. The grips OFTEN dont fit a females hand. They are wide buggars..;-)

and Mad Bolter, if you desire a .380, check out the Colt Mustang- it is the best .380 i know of, spendy, but its pure quality and will feed anything.;-) Looks like a mini 1911 so its stylish too! ;-) Has an exposed hammer also..
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:51am PT
Thanks, Reilly. We actually tried various Glocks, and she hates the way they all feel in her hand.

I am also a big believer in an exposed hammer and external safety. That debate could rage endlessly of course, but I'm not an internal striker fan at all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

Ruger SRC, 9mm



Credit: Ron Anderson

Colt Mustang, .380




My picks of the week for Women..;-)



We have also sold a pile of LCR 9mm's by Ruger, an ultra compact, but they are very light and pack a sting when shooting.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Mmm... that Colt Mustang does look sweet!

I'm gonna have to check that out and then see if she likes it.

Thanks!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:05am PT
Has all your listed requirements, hammer, safety and size..;-)


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:09am PT
Indeed!

Now, if she will only like the feel of the grip....

Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the suggestions! And this is a much more productive direction for this thread to go. ;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:15am PT
Well it is a gun debate..

That colt has a softer spring than comparable Sigs, but the price tag is similar. If there is a dependable .380 it is that Colt.

Now of they would only make the PT92 series in a small compact we would "have something"..
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:19am PT
After trying various styles of handguns for the wife, she grabed my 38 special (wheel gun)It works for her as it is a point and shoot, and she does not have to work the slide. She always has some kind of lotion or goop on her hands and not alot of finger strengh. She also likes my taurus "Judge" with 410 shot shells as shes not that good of a aim either.But in case of a intruder she will a least scare them off with with plenty of shot pellets.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:20am PT
Well, there's no "perfect gun." There's only the one that fits an individual best and enables him/her to place shots consistently, reliably, and comfortably.

Then it's train, train, train... until shot placement and tactical awareness are second nature. Then train some more.

It is great that there are SO many good options, though. One CAN find the "good" gun for about anybody.

A bit of reading, and I'm liking that Colt more and more. Great suggestion, Ron. Ahh... will she like the grip? Hehe
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:23am PT
I'm surprised she doesn't even like the small Glock, the 28 is it with the interchangeable grips?
I can only get a couple of fingers around that handle.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:23am PT
She also likes my taurus "Judge" with 410 shot shells as shes not that good of a aim either.But in case of a intruder she will a least scare them off with with plenty of shot pellets.

We've considered that option also, and it's certainly not off the table. In most cases, just pulling a gun makes the roaches scatter, which is all you really need to accomplish. And getting hit with a load of 410 up close and personal will make most anyone want to drag themselves off (if they can) to reconsider their life of crime!

Well, gotta go to the range. I'll check back later in the afternoon.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Wheel guns are indeed another GUD Choice Frank! They make them now in hidden hammers, hammerless, and standard hammers, poly frames, steel frames etc etc. Many of them are a good fit for most womens hands as well.



edit: The Taurus judge has a copy- the S&W "Governor".. Both very much the same gun. .45, .45 long colt or .410. And some of the new .410 loads for them are DEVASTATING.

edit : Speaking of grips, i put a slip -on on my kel-tech POS and like it much better. It reduced the need to over stuff my trigger finger to thwart the jump at the end of the mile long pull lol!..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Yep,, light and has a "sting" to it.. That SRC has no sting.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:40am PT
If you grant, as you appear to, that packing a gun can be a good thing in a "high crime area," then its goodness is sweeping, as you simply don't know what is "high crime" and what is just you getting mugged or accosted.

Not so at all. Owning a gun increases the chances of you or a family member being shot. Any increase in safety against muggers/burglars/mass murderers/bogeymen needs to offset the increased risk from intentional or accidental use of that gun, or from the poor decisions you make because you have that gun. For most people, this calculation should be simple.

The FBI reports about 200 "justifiable homicides" by civilians each year, compared to about 600 accidental deaths by firearm, and almost 2000 women murdered with a firearm by their husband or boyfriend. You'd have have to live in a really shitty area to counteract those odds.

TE



madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
You'd have have to live in a really shitty area to counteract those odds.

It all depends on how you interpret the "odds." This is a classic example of why Twain said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Put your "odds" up against hundreds of millions of handguns owned and tens of millions carried, and I'd say that the "odds" are looking pretty good that you're gonna get hit by lightening many times before you're gonna shoot yourself or be shot by your own gun.

And the FBI statistics don't list how many incidents were outright averted just by the presence of a legally-carried handgun. Those are impossible to know. What we DO know is that in the US there is a clear correlation between increasingly restrictive handgun laws and increased incidents of homicides by handgun. Again, Chicago is a tough nut to crack for gun-control proponents, as is Washington DC.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
LOL... so I did a bit of a test today. I drank a lot of caffeinated soda until I was nice and jittery. Then at the range I fired at double my typical cadence. As expected, I had about half the accuracy as usual.

After thousands of rounds fired, it never ceases to amaze me what slight variations of "aim" produce a huge difference down range. The physics of trajectory make it downright amazing that we can ever hit anything at all. LOL

So, trying to approximate something of the physical jitters that would be likely in a real incident, it's clear that I need to stay with the caffeine and change up the cadence until I get that more dialed in. Today reminds me yet again: "Gun control is a steady hand."

The whole discipline of shooting well is extremely enjoyable.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 7, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
Shooting under stress is key to real practice. Try out a few IDPA events or local club shoots... Even just the timer buzzing with people watching will get the blood pumping. And it will still be NOTHING compared to a real armed situation...
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