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dirtbag

climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
All of the people there were creepy.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Basically, it can be back traced to Fox News for inciting subversive propaganda
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
At least they were far enough out of it that they killed themselves. Now at least there need be no concern that some of their wacko sympathizers aren't encouraged to take hostages to get them a get out of jail swap deal. Eh!

Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
They left plans to take over a court, and have public killings of public servants, which they called Nazis

They were Neo-Nazies, the kind that hate the other Nazies,
which would be everyone they thought were out to get em.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
they were denied access because they were 'creepy'.

Not true. They were there for at least 2 days. Even gave an interview.
Credit: crankster
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
Basically, it can be back traced to Fox News for inciting subversive propaganda

Sean Hannity, in particular. There's blood on his hands.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
I think it's funny some still think there's a difference between any channels in MSM (i.e. Fox news vs. NBC). Next you say you think there's a difference between the Red and Blue teams you're allowed to "vote" on.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-urges-national-soul-searching-over-gun-violence-221816460.html
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
How the Right-Wing Echo Chamber Helped Spawn the Las Vegas White Supremacist Shooters

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-right-wing-echo-chamber-helped-spawn-las-vegas-white-supremacist-shooters

The right-wing echo chamber helped to spawn the mass shooters, named Jarad and Amanda Miller.

Birtherism, an embrace of the neo-confederacy, a worshipful attitude toward the Confederate flag (i.e. "the American Swastika") and the CSA, along with an open embrace of anti-black affect and white racial resentment in a concerted effort to delegitimize the United States' first black president, are the "polite" face of American white supremacy in the first decades of the 21st century.

The Republican Part is a white identity organization.

Complementing this claim, social scientists have highlighted how the Tea Party, a herrenvolk organization motivated by white racism under the guise of "taking our country back" (from whom?) creates a sense of white racialized self-interest among its members. Moreover, Tea Party organizations are a way for "old school" white supremacists to recruit new members from the angry white men (and women) who constitute the more extreme elements in the Republican Party.

The Las Vegas murder spree is a clear act of domestic terrorism by members of the white right. The shooters placed the Gadsden flag, what is now a Tea Party icon, on the body of one of their victims; yelled "This is a revolution!" while committing murder, a seditious slogan that echoes within the right-wing echo chamber; Nazi paraphernalia was found in their home; and they sought out a natural alliance with Cliven Bundy and his thugs.

Of course, the right-wing media and its acolytes will find a way to spin and distort the facts. The right-wing media machine will reframe the Las Vegas shooting spree in keeping with the principles outlined by Joseph Goebbels and his genius insights about how to manipulate the mass public.

The Fox News echo chamber will choose to either:

1) ignore the events in Las Vegas;
2) highlight those tragic events as an example for why concealed-carry gun laws should be the rule of the land;
3) offer the default answer that it is all somehow Barack Obama's fault;
4) advance an intellectually bankrupt and morally empty deflection: black people in Chicago shoot each other all the time;
5) argue that these people are sick and"crazy, so why are we even talking about their politics;
6) lie and commit an intellectually rapacious and craven assault on the historical record by suggesting that white supremacist Nazis are in fact really "liberals."

The most fringe elements of the right-wing media machine (Alex Jones) and its base will default to a standard script wherein the white supremacist Las Vegas murder spree is presented as a "false flag operation," one conducted by "liberals" to discredit conservatives with the goal of undermining "gun rights."
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
bluering said
I think it's unquestionable that the guy stopped further people being shot. Him having a gun distracted the shooters.

So you're saying that having a concealed carry permit keeps people safe by encouraging hostile shooters to shoot you instead of someone else? That seems like an interesting feat which could have been accomplished with or without a gun. In any case I defer to your opinion since you were there and have a firm grasp of all the facts. Also you should wave around guns wherever you are to ensure that you get shot instead of someone else as the founders intended.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
I think it's funny some still think there's a difference between any channels in MSM (i.e. Fox news vs. NBC)

Credit: crankster
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
Seems California has WAY more school shootings than Nevada. Here i thought it was all peace love doves and pot there. PERHAPS you whiney liberals there should straighten out your OWN state instead of whining and yammering on others eh..Including those 5th grade diddler principles in your gun free schools..And stop those rejects from bringing under aged girls into Nevada to work as prostitutes on the streets fer crissakes.
glanton

Sport climber
lithopeadion circus
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
praise jesus and pass the ammunition

Credit: glanton
jstan

climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
The Constitution as a principal talking point seems to have disappeared.

Why?
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
We,re well past the constitution and embroiled in vicious rhetoric.

Or maybe that,s viscous rhetoric. Hmm.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
We,re well past the constitution and embroiled in vicious rhetoric.

It isn't the rhetoric that bothers me, it's the bullets...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:44pm PT
Ron posted
Seems California has WAY more school shootings than Nevada.

I'm sure that's true. Nevada also has less than 2.8 million people to California's 38.3 million. California has a gun homicide rate of 3.4 to Nevada's 3.1 meaning that your 50% more reported per capita gun ownership isn't doing a damn thing for your homicide rate. #StillSuckingAtStatistics
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
that is ONLY due to LasVegas,, which is CHUCKED FULL of recent CAL transplants. The rest of Nevada references Vegas as SE CAL... It is also a democratic majority of the state. One might conclude cal democrats are ruining this state.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
And stop those rejects from bringing under aged girls into Nevada to work as prostitutes on the streets fer crissakes

You can't argue with someone with no morals, no decency, no sense of shame.
Credit: crankster
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jun 11, 2014 - 05:22am PT
The more shootings there are, the more the pro gun lobby will dig in it's heels claiming, "See! We need MORE guns to protect ourselves from bad guys!"
And of course, it's about easy access. The more guns there are, the more shootings there will be. Intentional, and unintentional.
The first time I ever saw an armed guard in a grocery store was in Vegas, years ago. I asked him if this was normal. "Yup", he replied. I didn't feel safer, I was creeped out.

I visit the U.S.regularly to visit my daughter in San Francisco, and my good friends in Utah and Oregon, but if this open carry movement spreads I'll be re-thinking travelling there. As will millions of other tourists.
You guys can just shoot things out amongst yourselves. The rest of the civilized world will be shaking its head in disbelief.

Garry
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