The Gun debate sandbox

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 5101 - 5120 of total 5937 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:28am PT
Chaz,, i think the MAIN PROBLEM is the very thing you mention.. That ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL and that is now celebrated by a large percentage of left leaning voters here. Illegal entry into this country for example. Now of course that means the illegal entry of more and more criminal gang members like those that have settled into the hoods of Chicago.

Of COURSE no one planning on ILLEGAL activities will ever be affected by a MT Everest pile worth of laws.

Its like a door lock on your house or car, it only keeps honest people honest. The rest dont give a rip.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:35am PT
Supporting such legislation would undoubtedly save lives, but your buying and carrying a gun is extremely unlikely to.

Chicago is the grand experiment that demonstrates your perspective here is incorrect.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:40am PT
Ladies need a slightly smaller frame and a softer recoil for a lot of them, so the 9mm is by far the good choice.

I totally agree. My wife can handle our .40, but she's longer getting back on target than is ideal. Even a 9mm is a very solid weapon, and it's certainly better for her.

I'm looking into the Walther because it is almost functionally identical to the P30 (just lacks a slide release, and the safety up/down is reversed). Any thoughts on that? Best concealed gun for my wife?

In my pre-purchase research spanning months, it appears that there is very little difference between the effectiveness of the 9mm vs .40 vs .45. Ammo matters, and shot placement trumps all. I do love the feel of the P30, though. Best gun I've ever shot, by far! Expensive, though.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:43am PT
There is NO debate that the new Desert Eagle .45s in both standard and compact 1911 designs are the NEW kid on the block as far as a quality hand gun go. The slide and trigger pull equal to a Kimber, with a thicker barrel for multiple round expenditures with better accuracy. Made in Isreal with a price tag nearly half of what a compatible Kimber will run. They use identical components of the trigger group.


edit: As for the wife,, the new Ruger SRC is a VERY GOOD choice in 9mm. The SR is the not so compact and the SRC is a compact design, with added safety, a loaded indicator on the tip rail and a very easy price. It seems far easier to control than say a Shield of other smaller compacts. The super compacts are just hard to control for precision imo. Be it a Ruger, Springfield or others,, they have all stepped up the game of quality. But there are still some oddities such as the Kimber solo, a very compact design but wont feed standard 115 grain ammo so target practice can be expensive.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:44am PT
Perhaps you are forced to live or work in a high crime neighborhood, and have no other employment or residential options, if so, owning or carrying a gun may genuinely improve your safety.

As the Northglenn mugging a few weeks ago demonstrates (and what motivated me to finally take the plunge), you CANNOT know what is a "high crime area." What seems like a decent and safe area simply is not.

If you grant, as you appear to, that packing a gun can be a good thing in a "high crime area," then its goodness is sweeping, as you simply don't know what is "high crime" and what is just you getting mugged or accosted.

If right next door to our office can be a broad-daylight mugging scene, then it can happen anywhere (and actually does).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:46am PT
MB, have you considered one of the new Glocks for the wife? From what I've read the new
double spring lessens recoil noticeably.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:48am PT
We tried out that Desert Eagle, and it does scream quality. But it is a heavy gun, even the 1911 version. I was hoping for one gun that would be good for both of us. But I'm seeing that even the .40 is a bit much for my wife. She's just too small-built to recover from the recoil and get back on target quickly. She handles it just fine, but the retargetting delay is unacceptable. So, a .45 would be the same issue.

Gotta go .380 or 9mm for her. Even the .380 has acceptable penetration, and within typical self-defense range it is accurate enough that shot placement is a go.

I hear, though, that all .380s jam quite a bit. The Walther is supposedly better on this score, but "better" isn't good if it's an actual problem!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:50am PT
Reilly,, im not a glock fan.. The grips OFTEN dont fit a females hand. They are wide buggars..;-)

and Mad Bolter, if you desire a .380, check out the Colt Mustang- it is the best .380 i know of, spendy, but its pure quality and will feed anything.;-) Looks like a mini 1911 so its stylish too! ;-) Has an exposed hammer also..
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 10:51am PT
Thanks, Reilly. We actually tried various Glocks, and she hates the way they all feel in her hand.

I am also a big believer in an exposed hammer and external safety. That debate could rage endlessly of course, but I'm not an internal striker fan at all.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson

Ruger SRC, 9mm



Credit: Ron Anderson

Colt Mustang, .380




My picks of the week for Women..;-)



We have also sold a pile of LCR 9mm's by Ruger, an ultra compact, but they are very light and pack a sting when shooting.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Mmm... that Colt Mustang does look sweet!

I'm gonna have to check that out and then see if she likes it.

Thanks!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:05am PT
Has all your listed requirements, hammer, safety and size..;-)


madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:09am PT
Indeed!

Now, if she will only like the feel of the grip....

Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the suggestions! And this is a much more productive direction for this thread to go. ;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:15am PT
Well it is a gun debate..

That colt has a softer spring than comparable Sigs, but the price tag is similar. If there is a dependable .380 it is that Colt.

Now of they would only make the PT92 series in a small compact we would "have something"..
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:19am PT
After trying various styles of handguns for the wife, she grabed my 38 special (wheel gun)It works for her as it is a point and shoot, and she does not have to work the slide. She always has some kind of lotion or goop on her hands and not alot of finger strengh. She also likes my taurus "Judge" with 410 shot shells as shes not that good of a aim either.But in case of a intruder she will a least scare them off with with plenty of shot pellets.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:20am PT
Well, there's no "perfect gun." There's only the one that fits an individual best and enables him/her to place shots consistently, reliably, and comfortably.

Then it's train, train, train... until shot placement and tactical awareness are second nature. Then train some more.

It is great that there are SO many good options, though. One CAN find the "good" gun for about anybody.

A bit of reading, and I'm liking that Colt more and more. Great suggestion, Ron. Ahh... will she like the grip? Hehe
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:23am PT
I'm surprised she doesn't even like the small Glock, the 28 is it with the interchangeable grips?
I can only get a couple of fingers around that handle.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:23am PT
She also likes my taurus "Judge" with 410 shot shells as shes not that good of a aim either.But in case of a intruder she will a least scare them off with with plenty of shot pellets.

We've considered that option also, and it's certainly not off the table. In most cases, just pulling a gun makes the roaches scatter, which is all you really need to accomplish. And getting hit with a load of 410 up close and personal will make most anyone want to drag themselves off (if they can) to reconsider their life of crime!

Well, gotta go to the range. I'll check back later in the afternoon.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Wheel guns are indeed another GUD Choice Frank! They make them now in hidden hammers, hammerless, and standard hammers, poly frames, steel frames etc etc. Many of them are a good fit for most womens hands as well.



edit: The Taurus judge has a copy- the S&W "Governor".. Both very much the same gun. .45, .45 long colt or .410. And some of the new .410 loads for them are DEVASTATING.

edit : Speaking of grips, i put a slip -on on my kel-tech POS and like it much better. It reduced the need to over stuff my trigger finger to thwart the jump at the end of the mile long pull lol!..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jul 7, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Yep,, light and has a "sting" to it.. That SRC has no sting.
Messages 5101 - 5120 of total 5937 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews