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TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 27, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
Some people are idiots. Spoke to an employer who, out of 16 applicants, had ONE pass the drug test. Applicants knew there was a drug test and that they had to pass it. Maybe that should be a prerequisite for firearms purchase as well?

There's already a federal prohibition on buying or owning a firearm if you're an unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance. That one could use a little more enforcement. Might filter out a few of the nuts here.

TE
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:06pm PT
Did y'all know that John Wilkes Booth's Derringer was a 44 cal?
Pretty amazing that Lincoln lived for the hours that he did.

Ron, you guys selling many PX4 Storm Compacts? It looks pretty nice and,
of course, it is one of the few 'Cali approved handguns'. I guess they
call it the PX4 Storm Type F Compact so it will go well with my new Jag Type F.

The retractable lanyard loop is a tad gimmicky but then I guess you could
clip it to yer harness to clear the crag of taggers.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 27, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
Did y'all know that John Wilkes Booth's Derringer was a 44 cal?

That thing gave me the creeps.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
ron
tell us more about the notch on your gun
You must be very proud.

Like a badge of Honor...
Was he brown?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 27, 2015 - 03:35pm PT
I'm OK with some good old-fashioned tar & feathering. As long as it's followed up with a running out of town on a rail.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
ron
Well you are right about this
I do not need to know

Just curious
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 27, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
Thanks ron
That's what I always respect about you, you answer direct questions
well done
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 5, 2015 - 09:45am PT
Time to put up or shut up, a new Universal Background Check bill is being introduced in congress:

H.R.1217 - To protect Second Amendment rights, ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and provide a responsible and consistent background check process

If you actually care about reducing deaths and violence from guns, call your representative and tell them you support Universal Background Checks, and that they should too.

If not, please explain how being prohibited from selling guns to criminals or lunatics infringes on a right to self-defense, or even on any perceived right to amass an arsenal of firearms in preparation for the overthrow of a democratically elected government.

TE
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 5, 2015 - 09:53am PT
The problem isn't with the face-value of a "background check" to check for the behavior you've mentioned. The problem arises in the actual details and implementation of such a thing by our vile government... They don't care about you or me or anyone else. So such a well titled proposal is simply the wrapper on another sh1t sandwich being forced upon us.

Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe the government really is here to help this time. Cough... gag....

But in a perfect world I'd be all for the spirit of it.

jonnyrig

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 10:19am PT
retracted

Ron, it's not universal. You know private party sales are not required to pass NICS in NV.
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Mar 5, 2015 - 10:47am PT
I see Ron's point in not expanding background checks beyond sales from dealers

but then why should there be even background checks for new sales through dealers ?

considering that

we all know that anyone can buy a gun easily and quickly right through their newspaper
with no background check, therefore background checks don't stop gun crime

also, criminal ignore laws, so having existing or new laws doesn't stop crime either

jonnyrig

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 11:15am PT
rant off
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 11:22am PT
more ranting about the idiocy of fear
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 5, 2015 - 12:26pm PT
California has every gun control law you can imagine, and already this month ( it's only the fifth ) there's been one quadruple murder and two regular single-corpse murders just in San Bernardino.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 5, 2015 - 12:37pm PT
already this month ( it's only the fifth ) there's been one quadruple murder and two regular single-corpse murders just in San Bernardino.

Yeah, but those were almost certainly "gang related," and we all (including law enforcement) already know that nothing can be done about that sort of violence (it only escalates).

So, really, that sort of thing should be dropped right out of the statistics. It's more like background noise, and gun regulation is targeted at those people that are not part of the background noise.

You can't stop the deafening construction noise of a building going up, so you ticket the guy at a nearby stoplight who is playing the music a bit too loud in his car.

Yeah, works for me. Bring on yet more useless regulation and "enforcement."
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
"Yeah, but those were almost certainly "gang related,"..."


Not according to those who "know":

http://www.pe.com/articles/san-761571-shooting-bernardino.html

Read some of the comments left by readers:

"Deuces is a family club not a gang."

"Deuces are not a gang. We are family"



A "family" who closes bars on a school night, and gets into a shootout with someone else's "family" before going home.

Welcome to San Bernardino.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
In America, people will get what they want. Just like pot smokers have for decades, or drinkers that started with hooch makin contraptions in the hills.

You're right. We should just give up. Chuck all laws out the winder. If murder is illegal, only criminals will commit murder.
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:30pm PT
I kind of thought food was the largest commodity? But maybe it's actually oil... both of which access is largely ensured to those with the most guns, naturally. Considering the propensity for this country to become sniveling pussies, we might not have guns around too much longer in the protectionist police state toward which we're trending. But that's ok, our politicians still have the biggest nukes.
I keep getting the feeling from people around me when I say the word "gun" I've uttered a dirty word.
That's pretty damn annoying.
Adventurer

Mountain climber
Virginia
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
I spent 10 years in the US Army and was deployed overseas for 7 of the 10. Afterwards, I worked as a defense contractor for over 3 decades and travelled extensively in the Middle East, Asia and Africa as well as Europe.

In all that time I came to recognize that America is one of the most violent societies on the planet. Much, much more violent than Europe where gun laws are the norm.

I don't think that this is a result of being either pro gun or anti-gun. I think it is simply the result of our obsession with guns as a society.
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 5, 2015 - 01:51pm PT
I doubt very much that the amount of violence we get to experience here is a result of what you call our obsession with guns. More likely, it's tied to a variety of other socioeconomic factors that have more to do with poverty, drugs, and gangs. Guns just happen to make expedient weapons, and the banning or other further regulation of them in an attempt at curbing the violence will fail miserably on its own. So how about curing the underlying causes of the violence?
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