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jstan

climber
Jun 7, 2014 - 09:55am PT
A bunch of six year olds shot dead and then that video. It took all of that to give us discussions of potty training instead of talk about the constitution.

Is this enough to cause us actually to do something about it?
Degaine

climber
Jun 8, 2014 - 12:40am PT
xtremecat wrote:
I believe you miss the point. Many millions of law abiding citizens have a right protected by the constitution. We do not wish to have it infringed upon by you or like thinkers.


You're the one who missed the point and the utter contradiction of Ron's argument. If his argument is that guns aren't a problem because millions of guns and gun owners have not been used in mass shootings, then he can't argue that it's the bommers' and genx's faulty parenting skills since there are millions of their law-abiding kids not involved in mass shootings.

Do you see the failure in logic there?

Second, Toker Villain is naive and severely misinformed if he doesn't think that the gun manufacturers aren't complicit in the illegal sales of their weapons. They turn a blind eye to what is going on since it's good for the bottom line.

xtreme cat wrote:
Stricter regulations may seem the solution but we choose not to give up our rights. Pretty simple.

Let's start with enforcing the laws currently on the books and then at the least have a federal database for mental health issues and criminal records.

xtreme cat wrote:
You and the few thousand gun fearing folks will just have to find a solution that will be both effective and not restrict us law abiding folks. A little more difficult, but we won't stand for the easy way.


Gun fearing? You, Ron, and the apparently droves of people rushing to by guns every time the NRA erroneously claims that Obama will take their guns are the ones living in fear.

But I'll admit, if someone ever pointed a gun at me, yeah I'd be scared. And if you claim you wouldn't be, well you're just full of sh#t.
Degaine

climber
Jun 8, 2014 - 12:52am PT
Hi Ron,

You're anecdote is just that, an anecdote. But you indirectly answered my question, no you don't have kids, and hitting someone else's kids does not translate to parenting experience.

My kids behave just fine and I've never laid a hand on them. Violence begets violence.

You might think that hell has frozen over, but I do indeed 100% agree with you that boundaries need to be set.

Thing is, both myself and millions of other parents have been and are able to set boundaries without physical punishment. It's much harder work, but according to xtreme cat in his post above, that's what "your team" is all about, never taking the easy way out and working hard. Spanking, or hitting, or even going so far as to beat a kid is the easy way out, a cop out.

Ron Anderson wrote:
Further more i AM of the baby boomer generation and have many friends and know many others in that and gen x, who i have personally observed as being extremely ineffective parents. The mere fact that little kids still shyt their britches at 3 and beyond is utterly ridiculous. ( in the late 50s/early 60s my siblings and i were potty trained at 14 months- there were no disposable diapers then). And the "learning in their own time" philosophy is a sad joke on them. In life, one must learn on many other time tables and not your own perceived ones.

Kids are out of control far more these days because thats the exact way they have been raised. And of course im NOT saying that ALL KIDS are raised that way. In fact ive commented about other STers here about how i observed their kids to be very well raised, like KennyTs youngsters who i met at the first woodfest. I observed them to be very well mannered and trained.

Anecdotal, all anecdotal, and a complete contradiction to your logic (or lack thereof) from previous posts.

According to your very own posts, crime rates overall, murders, and mass shootings have dropped in recent years, so how could kids possibly be out of control? Or at least be behaving to an extent that's dangerous for society?

As elegantly put in Good Morning Vietnam, Ron, "you don't know whether you're shot, f*#ked, powder-burned or snake-bit."

Ron Anderson wrote:
edit: And further more Deagaine,, it is NOT govts place to let thirteen yr old girls have free access to morning after pills WITHOUT parents knowledge. That in effect usurps parents rights.. Instead of doing the hard thing and raising kids with responsibility, the govt in its infinite stupidity decided to do just that. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?


Dude, seriously, put the bottle down. Where the f*#k did that comment come from? Where in any of my posts did I mention 13 year old girls and birth control?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:09am PT
Ive has more than a few guns pointed at me degaine. Like a ruger blackhawk 357 magnum,, a model 92 winchester 30-30, and a ruger 308 carbine. Also a shotgun- remington 870 i think it was. And one of those doing said pointing died in that process from my gun.


And we will not agree on child raising technique. Period.


Meanwhile i watched some ballistic tests on my M1 carbine that ill soon have. IMRESSIVE penetration of syntex blocks put to bed the old rumor about the M1s lack of penetration abilities up to 300 yards. Once claimed in Korea not to have enough foot pounds of energy at that range to penetrate winter clothing of Korean soldiers. Even the soft point hunting bullet in 110 grains penetrated the syntex block about 22 inches deep of its 24" length. Thats what a gun debate is.

As far as you tit-willy libs go and your desire to see them leave the planet- AINT GONNA HAPPEN. In fact you loose that battle daily as good americans arm themsleves by the throngs. Ammo manufacturers burning the midnight oil 24/7. Your squarely a minority any more and dwindling as i type- because democrats are also flocking to the ranges to shoot their new weapons too. Seems just the hippie wanna bees to stoned to think rationally and the lunatic left politickshuns are the only ones left. And the most common phrase i hear is that "obama is the gun salesman of the century"...

In fact, in my life, there have never been more new people entering the gun owner status. There have never been more people securing CCW licenses , and never been more hunters afield than now and never been more crowded gun ranges.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:24am PT
You must set at your computer 24/7 awaiting my posts so you can throw up that stupid pic. What a looser.

que crankuser and the fluffer....VVVVV
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jun 8, 2014 - 07:25am PT


"I observed them to be very well mannered and trained."...


Like a Circus Animal???....

Just wondering...





;-)

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 8, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 8, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
In fact, in my life, there have never been more new people entering the gun owner status. There have never been more people securing CCW licenses , and never been more hunters afield than now and never been more crowded gun ranges.

and there have never been more people who eschew guns, believe global warming is anthropogenic, bring dogs to the crag, believe in god, are Atheists, eat meat, are vegans, use chalk, chop bolts, sh#t on ledges, pee in the pool, hate obama, kill bears, join militias, go awol, kill biscuits...

that's because there has never been more people.
Degaine

climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 03:27am PT
Ron Anderson wrote:
And we will not agree on child raising technique. Period.

I find that statement rather odd. Do you view me as only an adversary with whom you can never ever agree?

Are you actually stating that you disagree with parenting methods that produce well-behaved children and upstanding citizens all the while never using any physical punishment?

If I boil it down, you only agree with parenting methods that involve spankings or beatings for discipline, do I have that right? You can't be serious?



Ron Anderson wrote:
As far as you tit-willy libs go and your desire to see them leave the planet- AINT GONNA HAPPEN. In fact you loose that battle daily as good americans arm themsleves by the throngs. Ammo manufacturers burning the midnight oil 24/7.


First, I find it ironic that you complain regularly about posters lumping you in with a particular group (Republicans, the right, GWB supporters, etc.), and then turn right around and generalize about "libs" instead of actually addressing my individual posts. I know, it's a chicken or the egg thing, and who knows who fired the first shot, but because "they" do it to you, you feel the need to return the bullshit (that goes for everyone) generalization favor.

Second, I personally find it disheartening, and dare I write tragic, that you rejoice in Americans heavily arming themselves. 2nd amendment aside, what does that say about our country where Americans feel the need to protect themselves in such a manner from other Americans? Are the notions of solidarity, helping one's neighbor, fellow countrymen only so much lip-service, propaganda, and clichés for Hallmark cards?

Third, and this is addressed to you and everyone else on this thread talking about your inalienable right as stated in the constitution to have a gun: could you please point out where in the US Constitution it states that gun (or weapons possession) can not be regulated? The first amendment is not without its limits, why should the second amendment be without limits?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 04:37am PT
Ron posted
And about a hundred million OTHER GUNS killed no one.. My guns killed no one, and my buddies guns killed no one.. And ALL OF mys customers guns killed no one, and all their familys guns killed no one , and the NRA members guns killed no one and the militias guns killed no one, and the 700K at local gun ranges killed no one, and -- and --- and --- etc etc etc etc etc.

Ron brings up an important point. We should clearly move to a system of incarcerating individual firearms for their crimes against humanity. Why should certain law abiding firearms be trigger locked or safetied when they have done nothing wrong? This is cut and dry violation of habeus musketus. The Supreme Court has decided that the second amendment firmly establishes the legal personhood of firearms and we need to take this into consideration within the greater discussion about guns.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 05:56am PT
You are arguing with people without a soul. Give up and get as far away from them as possible.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jun 10, 2014 - 06:40am PT
Ron said: Ive has more than a few guns pointed at me degaine. Like a ruger blackhawk 357 magnum,, a model 92 winchester 30-30, and a ruger 308 carbine. Also a shotgun- remington 870 i think it was. And one of those doing said pointing died in that process from my gun.

So...you you were able to kill a man who was pointing a gun at you?
And why just the one?
Maybe you should get a bullet proof blankie Ron, you know, for next time, just in case you can't get the first shot off.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/06/mass-shootings-blanket-children-guns

Garry
BTW, will someone please explain to a technonoob how to insert quotes and links properly?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:04am PT
Hey Ron I thought you were turning over a new leaf?

How about another story? I liked the last one.

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:16am PT
could someone help me out? Ron refuses to talk to Canadians.... something to do with the not being amurican or something....

Anyway, I asked previously his opinion on this:


http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/smart-pistol-fires-proximity-rfid-wristwatch/#!WZx63


Could some kind and accommodating Amurican please ask Ron if in the capacity of gun nut and weapons pedlar he will advocate for the application of this technology as a logical step in keeping guns out of the wrong hands?

cheers, Canook from BC
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:20am PT
Mornin Ding,, just getting my first sip o coffee..

Story? Ok Ill combine guns ans BIGFOOT..!;-)


I have a buddy, and fellow taxidermist who just after graduating high school ( hes younger than me) decided to pull a BIGFOOT prank. So him and another guy that later became a well known radio DJ purchased a "BIGFOOT" suit from a well known hollywood film costume company. It was somewhat realistic..


So they began what is still referenced on BF.ORG as the great genoa NV sightings LMAO!.. He told me of how they would wander up the creek just west of town - and how many locals and tourons they were dazzling. The way he described what they were doing is matched in the descriptions on the natl bigfoot site mind you. They had done several daylight wanders in the hills behind Genoa when they decided to do some night time wanders as well.

Then they got the idea to do roadway dashes on foothill road , at night as well- where they would dash across the road well ahead of cars then hide in the brush as they went by- often slowing up or stopping to get a glimpse of the squatch..

So one night they are doing this as a pick up heads south out of town and my buddy does the dash across the road, when he hears the engine of said truck rev to max rpms! He dashes down the edge of the road way to some willows near a ditch line, but to his amazement the truck just veers off the road and through a fence in full on pursuit of what the driver must surely have thought to be an actual factual squatch.


Turns out its a local rancher and it was his own fence he drove through as he schreeches to a halt and begins to fumble with a rifle in a gun rack inside the cab! OHWWW SH#TE thinks my buddy, and he runs for a near by canal ditch while the rancher starts jacking a shell into the chamber. He sat half in water and tules while the rancher wandered about looking for his squatch kill to be for quite a while, sweating all the time while praying he wasnt found. The rancher got back in his truck and drove the field for a while then vacated the scene and my buddy and his friend decided to put the suit and joke to rest not wanting to become the first recorded squatch kill on Nev.


This is STILL listed as a viable authentic "sighting" over at BF.org by the way ....




edit: BK,, i talk to Jim B all the time.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:24am PT
I know Ron and the fact is you also talk to me.....

But only when you feel safe
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:25am PT
Aw man I meant in its own thread!

Please?

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 10, 2014 - 07:34am PT
Ron.........






















is it safe?












HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 10, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Let's be honest. Guns are fetish totems at this point.

Even the "wild west" knew that people wandering around with loaded guns in cities was a bad idea.





(Also that Prickly Ash Bitters are the bomb!)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 10, 2014 - 10:10am PT
Ya know its kinda funny these 'got m'GUNZ!!!!' types actually seem to revere the 'strong western sheriff' mythology of the American West (religion)... you know, like Wyatt Earp.

Wyatt Earp would pistol whipped Bundy and sold his cows at public auction. He would have shot those militia boyz like they were yeller hanky wearing bangers from Tombstone.

DMT
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