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Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Werner , with due respect,, Norton isnt any where near the class of ass some are here...
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Yeah I know that Ron.

I just love to give him sh!t just for sh!ts sake .....

:-)
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
He's not that dumb Joe.

He's a lot sharper than he reveals here.

Don't fall for it.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Actually Joe you are so lucky to have a guy Ron keeping the momentum of the topic going.

Who else the fuk would you debate besides maybe TGT?

LOL

Ron is blessing for these topics.

Don't be so hard on Ron.

He's a good human being besides all his faults.

Every one of us here have our own fuked up faults too ......
hillrat

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reno, nv
Mar 29, 2013 - 12:43am PT
group hug...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Can we stop with all the ad hominems and get back to criticizing people who display a glaring lack critical thinking skills?
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
ill clu you guys in on something. In CALI,, ALL gun sales, the serial numbers and model ARE recorded through the DEPT of Justice. That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.

So you see, the "registry" is already there- just like most all other states. Which is the way it should be. States being closer to home in their own issues. So a fed registry is once again, redundant , un needed and a waste of $$$. In addition,, many states already have laws on the books regarding the mentally ill and gun possesion..
mechrist

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South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.

Is that because ALL guns used in CA crimes were purchased in CA? Makes perfect sense.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:34pm PT

But I'm equally guilty of trying to pointlessly dance around the 2nd amendment...making me (almost) just as much of a nut.

As long as the 2nd exists, all debate about guns is bullshit - including Obama's and Biden's

The political courage and will needs to focus on changing the constitution, not on pointless gun laws


And eventually, it will.

Well that makes sense if you think laws requiring background checks, forbidding private ownership of machine guns, howitzers, etc. are unconstitutional. But most grown-ups recognize there are limitations on virtually every "right" in the constitution, even ones like freedom of speech. The laws that were struck down by the USSC basically completely outlawed types of guns commonly and historically used for self-defense, and the USSC said that's going too far. Still lots of room for reasonable regulation.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Any gun sold in Cali wes..Each gun sold has a record of its serial number and model number in hard copy and MOST are also on computer files which are now being monitored by the feds. See the NDAA 2013 legislation for "cyber" and "clandestine" sections.

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers. Many politicians have long range goals of dissarming the American public. Not for their safety by any means. If the feds were AT ALL woried abut you and i, they would cease giving BILLIONS of dollars annually to our enemies abroad.. Instead we are fighting all over the place, flying b-2s over Korea and supplying BOTH sides of the Isreali and Syrian war.???
mechrist

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South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Ron, you really believe most guns used in crimes were originally (legally) purchased in that state? You really see no benefit to having a federal registry to help law enforcement expedite their search, rather than individually searching records from all 50 states?

The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers.

Translation: the MAIN reason gun nuts are opposed to the ideas is because they think the government will come after their guns.

Christ, don't you just love this world of paranoia and outrageous speculation?
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Wes,, what we speak of is after the fact. As far as licensed dealers, gun stores etc. That info is on computers which are being tapped as we speak. This is all in that five miles of sub sections of the NDAA 2013 legislation.
So they already have thier avenues for investigation after the fact.

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night. We see the proof of what i say in that NDAA 2013 pile. Obama took what bush did with the patriot act even further, as all have done for some time now. One little chisel at a time to be subtle..The technique is just like gas prices, which shoot up farther that ever before, then relax a few pennys backwards to keep the comfy feeling to the consumer.
Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now. This could explain those empty concentration camps and mass grave sites that set idle. That definitly explains the feds wanting a fed register of guns too. So they know exaclty what any person has in the way of fire arms.. WHY do they need to know that of law abiding citizenry? It wont stop or hamper criminal activities.



so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate? They arent using urban assualt vehicles for anything here in the past. But they are ordering them now.?? And since when did so many agencies order so much ammo? Ive never known such numbers before. Do you not wonder a little about all of this?


Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of, and if i were to prepare for such an event, i would be doing exaclty what they are currently.
pud

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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Gawd, that ^ is cute!

And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night.

Or chemical weapons or poppy plantations or meth distilleries or gang headquarters.

Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now.

Please provide a reference to those talking about the type of "civil unrest" to which you refer. Because there has been talk of civil unrest for millenia... usually by extremists... often by religious extremists. I'm curious if the "talk" has become more dire since Obama was elected... or since the invasion of Tea Baggers. Please be specific... Inquiring Minds Like Me Want To Know.

so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate?

An impending invasion by Marxist dictators?

Do you not wonder a little about all of this?

Nope, not really. I've been out of the country before. I've been to train stations where uniformed military types patrol with fully auto machine guns. I understand that higher population density means more security is required. I understand that if any jackass with a clean record can EASILY arm themselves like the Aurora shooter or the fuks at Waco, etc, the government better come in with even more firepower to put a stop to it.

Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of

God forbid the government prepare for civil unrest/armed uprising with adequate equipment!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake, and researching the back channels. Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore. Google, snopes -- all of those avenues have now been gathered , bought or inducted.
In this age of info flow in cyber space, all manner of rumor AND FACT can be found and none of it ever is seen on the major networks. That goes for both political parties.
It was these same avenues that finally got the silent gun owners off their collective arses and onto the emails to their reps. Hence the assualt weapons ban going down the tube so rapidly. Several states now consider laws like Montana has, prohibiting the feds from enforcing gun laws not approved by the state. So it seems the local politicians certainly think something is up as well. Rand Paul did 13 hours on the floor over things like DRONES, which are now a quite commonly talked about issue. They are starting to be used by local LE to the feds HERE..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake

I think that is what Charles Manson said too.

Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore

But they tell you about all those horrible killings in SF... otherwise you wouldn't know how bad inner city violence has become and how many guns everyone needs to protect themselves.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
No,, he did not say anything of the kind. Niether did Squeaky when she lived up six mile canyon.


But to get back,, lets talk about SOCIAL SECURITY ordering millions of rounds of hollow point 223 and 9/10 mm, assualt vehicles and ARs.

Ive been to the social security offices. Much like walking into any H&R block office. People setting in a waiting area, cubicles with computers and interviewers. Period.. Not armed guards, no assualt vehicles out back, nothing but an office setting and enviroment.

You cant find one legit reason for that agency ordering those arms. Sure they investigate frauds, mostly via the computers, however local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI? So again i have to ask --SOCIAL SECURITY??

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 29, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
So, we are back to the US government invading...

Ron, seriously, if you want to discuss this sh#t you have to provide more than your opinion. You have to cite outside sources because when I try to figure out what you are talking about, I come up with stuff like this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48898365/ns/us_news-life/t/why-does-social-security-need-bullets/#.UVXwM1dvD9U

It ain't "millions" of hollow points, more like 174,000.

The agents carry guns and make arrests 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.

How many rounds did you pop off at the range this year? How many when you were an LEO? I'm not a gun nut, but 590 rounds a year doesn't seem like that much if your job involves carrying a gun... once a month at the range, that's only 50 rounds a visit.


local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI?

yeah, because they have plenty of free time for silly investigations of SS fraud?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 29, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
nbc news....(sigh)....Thought i covered that somewhere up above..
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