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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 8, 2013 - 01:09am PT
I dare you...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-6-2013/nra-convention-2013

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen

Hell, some here think it has dramatically dropped and risen at the same time!
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 8, 2013 - 09:01am PT
"All your Rights can be infringed by the Gov. at any time you morons, to say that you have any right that is unrestricted is totally at odds with history, the law, and reality."



more importantly, he displays (gleefully and self-righteously, i imagine) his ignorance of the founding principles behind the declaration and the constitution and the perils of atheism

see, f, your joyous pronouncement of the power of government is precisely why tj wrote the declaration and why we now have the constitution

see, f, tj and the other founders understood that we have rights (life, liberty, etc.) given to us by GOD, not the gov...they also knew the only reason to have a gov is to protect those rights from others and the reason for the constitution is to protect those rights from the gov


and f wants more government
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
May 8, 2013 - 10:08am PT
From now on you guys can all bring your guns to Yosemite park. Maybe I 'll need one now, for self defense.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/#.UYlB-oKe6vI
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 8, 2013 - 10:37am PT
see, f, tj and the other founders understood that we have rights (life, liberty, etc.) given to us by GOD

What is this three-letter word you emphasize with capital letters?

I don't see this word anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution.

Did you even read these documents, the ones you use as a basis for your nonsensical claims?




BTW, what did "jm" have to say about GOD?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 8, 2013 - 11:46am PT
in the preamble it reads:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

the power to do so, quite explicitly, comes from the People...

and notice the order of the established principles:

1) form a more perfect Union,
2) establish Justice,
3) insure domestic Tranquility,
4) provide for the common defence,
5) promote the general Welfare, and
6) secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity

though that may be reading it a bit too literally... and who does that?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 8, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Interesting Kos. It seems like if the founding fathers REALLY were Christian and REALLY wanted a Christian nation they would have mentioned the Christian god, or at least Christianity, in AT LEAST ONE of the early LAWS that govern this nation.

Maybe this is just another case of the liberal "War Against Christianity?" Maybe a conspiracy? We should ask Glenn Beck.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 8, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Why is it that a city with gun laws so strict that you literally can't see one in a museum

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130508/downtown/ban-on-displaying-guns-at-city-museums-should-be-lifted-ald-burke-says

has one of the highest murder rates in the country?


Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 8, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
Gee, what a question TGT


It must be awful to be proven so wrong, over and over:

1) The state with the absolute most lenient gun laws, Alaska, is also the state with the most deaths by firearms, and by the way, those deaths are NOT "hunting accidents" relatively speaking so much as outright murder, accidental killings, and of course suicide by gun

2) the State with the very toughest gun laws, Massachusetts, is also the state with the absolute lowest rate of deaths by firearms

by the way, TGT, don't think it is only the states at both extremes that blow your "theory" to smithereens, the breakdown for every state very clearly follows the same, but lets assume your are mature enough to take a minute and actually look it up prior to proving yourself wrong, but most of us know better and won't hold our breath waiting on you.........
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 8, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
TGT likes to focus on Chicago, but there are 15 large cities with higher murder rates. Quite a few of these in the conservative, gun luvin, south, like Atlanta, Kansas City, Miami, Memphis, New Orleans, St Louis(twice the murder rate of Chicago).
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 8, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Yes, but all these cities have lots of the negros.

That's a big part of why conservatives feel they need to own a small arsenal.

To protect them from the angry mobs of negros.

It's also their (unspoken) explanation as to why the US gun homicide rates is off the charts compared to the rest of the developed world.

It's not all the guns that are doing the killing, it's all the negros.

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 9, 2013 - 07:23am PT
declaration of independence: "all men are created equal...ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights..."


i understand your confusion since you apparently believe government created everything and, apparently, share f's enthusiasm for a government that can take away all your rights

i never claimed god is in the constitution, only that the constitution was written to protect, FROM THE GOVERNMENT, our right to worship, speak, and bear arms
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 9, 2013 - 09:50am PT
You do know that the Declaration of Independence has no legal authority in the United States?

The governing document is the Constitution.

Not a single mention of a supreme being.



Why didn't He put his name in there somewhere? Was He just being modest?


(If you look hard enough, you'll find some negros in the painting. Apparently they are Americans also!)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 9, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Of course
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 9, 2013 - 02:44pm PT


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/09/bleeding-ex-girlfriend-shooting-target-at-nra-conference-promotes-violence-against-women-image/

Bleeding Ex-Girlfriend Shooting Target At NRA Conference Promotes Violence Against Women

Well they did take down the bleeding Obama target. Those wascally NRAnutz.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 9, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
ah, come on... that's just good clean Merkin fun.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 9, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
i understand your confusion since you apparently believe government created everything

you've still got it wrong, The People constituted the government

I understand that may still be too relative for you, but it is an important point... it's a consensus building process, not something absolute.

The People could decide to re-write the Constitution, too, there's nothing which prevents it from happening, no provision that says it cannot happen, and at least some of the authors of the current Constitution thought it should be re-written every couple of decades or so...

The Constitution replaces the Articles of Confederation, which was the initial effort to constitute a US Government, BY THE PEOPLE, which found that document to be inadequate to the task.

Why not re-write it again, in a modern context, and remove the confusion over what the "intent of the founders" was... their intent is in the preamble that I quoted above... and if what they wrote doesn't address the those "intents" in terms of contemporary issues then perhaps it's time to re-write it so that does.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 9, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
The Constitution replaces the Articles of Confederation, which was the initial effort to constitute a US Government, BY THE PEOPLE, which found that document to be inadequate to the task.

The most significant inadequacy of the Articles of Confederation was that the federal government could not raise money.

The Framers created the Constitution to give the federal government more power, specifically the power to tax.

And yet today we see teabaggers dressed up in colonial costumes, waving copies of the Constitution around and ranting about how federal taxes are unconstitutional.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 9, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
And yet today we see teabaggers dressed up in colonial costumes, waving copies of the Constitution around and ranting about how federal taxes are unconstitutional.

Leeches on society.
jstan

climber
May 10, 2013 - 05:07pm PT

The National Rifle Association is holding its 142nd annual meeting in downtown Houston this weekend. Here are the scheduled events:

FRIDAY, May 3
12 p.m.: Welcoming introduction video from President Obama

12:30 p.m.: Security forced to hold back squealing teenage girls in attendance as Wayne LaPierre takes stage

12:35 p.m.: Quick joke about how everyone in attendance must have passed a background check to warm up the crowd

1 p.m.: Most unconscionable words you could ever imagine met with enthusiastic cheers from thousands of people

3 p.m.: Remembrance of the victims of Sandy Hook with an extended moment of loud, scrambling excuse-making

6 p.m.: Reasoned, level-headed debate on whether the Second Amendment continues to hold relevance

SATURDAY, May 4
11:40 a.m.: Man whose face and name will someday be plastered across news websites and televisions across the nation approaches convention registration table

12 p.m.: Performance of ³God Bless America² using guns with variously pitched discharges

4 p.m.: The 46 senators who voted against last monthıs defeated gun control bill collect their winnings

5 p.m.: One-hour triage break to treat afternoon gun wounds

6:30 p.m.: Beaten, tied-up gun control advocates Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) lowered from roof into ravenous audience

8 p.m.: NRA/anti-NRA protest groups mixer

SUNDAY, May 5
 a.m.: Psychological counseling booths open to let gun enthusiasts talk out their deep-seated emotional problems

11 a.m.: Kids Korner workshop featuring popular Decorate Your Own Human Silhouette Target station

12 p.m.: Crowd treated to free T-shirts fired from fully automatic T-shirt cannon with high-capacity magazine

1 p.m.: Intensive five-hour town hall discussion on mental health reform

6:30 p.m.: Man who threatened to murder the President of the United States gives rousing speech to attendees

7 p.m.: Attendees leave convention knowing they have done their duty to protect the freedom of the American people
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
May 10, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Always nice to see when a senior and "wizened" member of our community shows restraint and moderation rather than post hateful and deliberately inflammatory ridicule that exhibits little compassion for victims of tragedy.
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