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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
You don't understand tooth, it is just like Mexico down here.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
I understand what it is like in San Bernardino with guns being put to women's heads outside my apartment window, swat and helicopters showing up in the night, etc. I shot in the US a lot, but moved to where the government will treat me with respect and punish the dummies - instead of treating everyone like cattle and taking away everyone's toys because some meathead did something stupid.


At the time it was very similar to life in Mexico from the time I spent there. You are able to pull news stories for incidences that don't happen in your neighborhood but make the news because they are newsworthy (novel) which, if they happened every day in the US, wouldn't make the news. That doesn't mean those two areas are more similar to each other than any other 2 areas I have seen.


I don't disagree with the stats that say removing all the guns will remove all the deaths by gun. But I feel bad for people who are rapidly loosing so much freedom because some dummy crashed a plane into a building or shot someone. I flew to the Bahamas the other day for work, stayed out of the US airports and TSA, it was a wonderful experience! It was fun, like traveling used to be in the US. Airports aren't the only thing changing down there, but since you are so populated and squished into cities and have such a herd mentality - blanket rules and a nanny state will be your future. 12 years I'd say!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 28, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
It's inevitable. We always win on social/civil rights issues. Always.

Pretty telling, but I already knew what you fags always deny - that you want to strip the Constitution of it's purpose. "We just want equal rights".....

The only way you win this is by demonizing people who oppose you. Totally disingenuous.

I did use the f-word, but you know why? Because you say I can't, and that it's "hate-speech".

F*#k you! Is that hateful? If it is then you can go f*#k yourself.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
but moved to where the government will treat me with respect and punish the dummies

If we did that even more of Merka would be incarcerated. Hell, we may run out of people with clean records... then nobody could buy guns. It might just work.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
You know this - why bother even bringing it up?


to counter the statement that any pending legislation was "one dimensional"


obviously you were not paying attention, try harder Joe


maybe if you got off your "we always win" childish divisive crap talk you could follow along better
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
You may have missed my point Norton.

One dimmensional approach to gun violence means focusing only on the guns.

I'd be happy to see the person who allowed a teen to get a hold of their gun and ammo have their right to bear arms taken away.

But, what I'm saying is that we'll never get a total ban on handguns, which are the main culprits. And, I'm not saying that we should do that either.

What is needed is a very holistic look at where this violence comes from. Background checks and a ban on assault weapons is the best you can hope for right now as far as gun control. And, that is just not going to stop more of the same from happening.

So, we need to look at the culture of violence, not just the culture of guns, in order to solve this problem.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
please elaborate Reeotch


what exactly do you propose we change in our "culture"?

and how do we do what you propose, presumable more laws?

and do you assume those who routinely break laws give a dam about any new laws?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
I wasn't talking to you, ass hole


and you damn well know what is so "childish" about your "we always win" crap


or maybe, just maybe, you still don't get it.....


clue: because you repeat it endlessly for ONE reason, to antagonize "them"

and yes, THAT is childish
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
No, we don't need any more laws.

We need peolpe to take personal responsibility. Laws are what you get when people don't take responsibility.

We need to teach our children better. We need to supervise and guide our children better.

We need to set a better example.

"Be good at school, son. Remember, violence is no way to solve problems." but hey, check out this new Soldier of Bloodshed video game, isn't this fun!? Or, say goodbye to Daddy as he goes off to Afganistan to "solve some problems".

WTF is wrong with us? I never understood the kids who got their jollies off of torturing animals, or weaker kids, what's up with that? I don't understand. Where does this sadistic streak originate?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 28, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
We need peolpe to take personal responsibility.

The "personal responsibility" argument...yawn...


So how do we get what we "need?"
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
"Where does this sadistic streak originate?"

Ask Joe Hedge. Better yet, study his particular brand of self-centered righteousness. It's inbred, a natural part of our psyche. Only through education about what is right and just, and a focused effort to imprint compassion on our children can we ever hope to change things.

You see, when people get as far deluded as hedge, there's no saving them. They'll never understand reason and logic, or the traditions and culture experienced by people around them. They don't comprehend that their point of view is not the only logical solution. They're the same type that become criminals, who commit heinous acts upon others.

All they need is justification, such as "You're stupid" (paraphrasing so many of hedge's comments), or "You're a gun nut" in order to view others as expendable. As soon as you demonize another person it becomes easy to disrespect them, to commit acts of crime against them or ridicule them in public. Like hedge. Oops... I'm doing it now...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
What is needed is a very holistic look at where this violence comes from.

I'm not convinced it is a problem with violence. I don't think everyone who brings a gun or knife to school is violent. When I was in 5th grade "Chinese stars" were the coolest thing EVER. We got them through straw purchases from the other kids in the neighborhood. Parents never knew. We would sneak them to school and throw them in the playground or elsewhere after school. I never once felt like I was violent, I just thought it was nifty. For the record I never tortured any animals other than the humans I have lived with.

A friend stole his brother's switchblade and brought it one day, which as I recall was legally purchased from "Tees and Keys"... right next to the throwing stars. If there had been more guns around I'm guessing John would have found one and brought it just to one up everyone.

Accidents/confrontations with guns are usually way worse than accidents with throwing stars... turns out selling and/or possessing throwing stars and switchblades is illegal in many places... imagine that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Come on down... free shotguns... what a great idea!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/gun-giveaway-tucson_n_2964015.html
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Are you saying it is just a gun problem?

That's pretty one dimensional.

So, when are going to get that handgun ban passed, again???

NEVER!

So, now what?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
No, I'm not saying it is just a gun problem. It is an easy-access-to-guns-without-proper-training-and/or-experience-and/or-ensurance-of-competence-before-legally-purchasing-a-gun problem.

Would you rather have your kids bring a couple throwing stars to class, or a couple guns? There will ALWAYS be "those kids" who get a hold of sh#t they shouldn't and take it places they shouldn't. What kind of sh#t do you want to put within easy grasp and what kind of sh#t do you want to work to keep out of their hands? Would you have been on lock down if a student had brought a throwing star?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade. But then, of course, you could have changed your mind by now. Although if that was the case, I expect you could have moved away from the 12000 vs 35 argument you keep repeating over and over
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But hey... thanks for being predictable. You know, I bet you can't climb for sh#t any more or you might actually post somewhere else besides the gun sandbox and the republican rhetoric page.

If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.

Lucky for me, I actually have a real life.
Bye now, have fun repeating yourself.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
This isn't "childish", Norton. It's US history.


oh my, but can't you shuck and jive

and completely miss the point


what is "childish" is YOUR asinine, constant "crowing" that because "liberals" won past social issue that it necessarily follows that they WILL "win" future ones

that kind of arrogance leads you to proclaim the 2nd Amendment will be repealed, in a ridiculously short time period, because 'liberals always win"

what is "childish" is YOUR using that exact presumption as a proof of some kind of moral superiority
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.


that's YOU, Joe

an arrogant ass hole
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
then you damn well ought to be ashamed of yourself and do something about it



like .......change
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
well Joe, since you still can't see yourself as others see you


Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade.


go ahead, Joe

don't "back down"

just keep on being what you are and how others see you, an arrogant and smug horse's ass

there, feel better? be true to yourself and all that

you know Joe, it's not always about being "right', being a decent human in how your communicate to others is kind of a good thing, yet you prove over and over how obnoxious you are at that
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