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Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
mono google ron anderson- climber or ron anderson -taxidermist..

read away...
monolith

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SF bay area
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Anderson, google S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)


no Ron

President Obama did not "come up" with the Dream Act, it has been discussed for at least 30 years
He simply said that he would support such legislation IF congress passed it.

And no, President Obama did not "come up" with "amnesty".

Republican President REAGAN gave AMNESTY to 15 million illegals.

so, NO, it was a NOT a "dem or repub thing"
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
He IS bringing it up again Norton. There are plenty of speeches where he preaches that on the u toob...

The fact that they released 5000 illegals that had already comitted crimes to be jailed for wasny an "unkown" to the whitehouse either. The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story ..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
How do stricter regulations on gun sales infringe on anyone's right to have or bear arms?



The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story

What is the REAL story Ron?
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Some of them dont.. While some proposals out there are luncay.

Weve seen suggestions of including the use of certain prescriptions as a factor for gun owner ship, yet that violates dr/patient confidence claus.

Weve heard the term universal, but not how that differs from back ground checks already being done. The brady check is identical in every state. It is a federal form.

We now see attempts at magazine bans resulting in a whole secnd and a half to two seconds of time delay per reload of a smaller mag. And ibbi-duh ibbi-duh ibbiduh...


What this ALL was, was the gubbmint jumping on an opportunity to test the American public to see how far they could make it in one jump so- to speak. The obvious mainstream media along with them.




Wes, When i asked ,, i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja. Being in a "gang" can mean many things and isnt illegal AS SUCH, yet being an illegal to begin with in a gang must qualify the same. Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja

You mean FED policies like...

In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, the Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's statement, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality," and to "an alien, who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here."

Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.

Yeah, those damn FED regulations really suck. We should be more like Mexico.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
No far more CURRENT policies. Same ones used in all those deportations Norton mentioned.


M s thirteen is THE most violnet gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
I don't know how anyone in their right mind would vote for Republicans to cut funding so that illegals are forced to be released.


And Ron?

Are you actually trying to criticize the Dream Act?

You DO know what it says don't you?

There just is no valid reason to not give children a path to citizenship. They are here anyway, and I want them paying taxes and reporting crime, not hiding in the shadows and not reporting crime for fear of being arrested.

Amnesty, the great Republican FAILURE. 15 million illegals given amnesty thanks to Republican Reagan.

But at least THIS time around, illegals will NOT be given amnesty. And they will not be "rounded up" like cattle and sent back to El Salvador or whatever. This time around it looks like both Repubs and Dems will get together and pass a bill that finally deals with all those people NOT paying taxes and reporting crimes. It will be tough, learn English, pay a fine, join the US military, get a college education, pass a civics test that 90% of Americans could not pass, and take years to go through it all.

You damn right this has to be dealt with, it's time. We need their tax dollars.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
So more current policies trump the 14th amendment?

The Dream Act sounds like a good idea to me. Ron, you have any RELEVANT criticisms of the Dream Act... preferably based on facts and rooted in reality?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Yeas Nortoin,, i agree with some of that,, but along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..


and Wes answer MY question fer once..:M s thirteen is THE most violent gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..

Why not limit gun purchases to ~ 1 or 2 a year, at least until we get the immigration thing under control? Surely it will reduce the flow of guns to criminals while still allowing responsible gun owners to purchase sufficient firepower to protect themselves.

What is a 65% serious crime ratio?


Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
limiting LEGAL gun purchase will do exaclty what happened with alchohol once upon a time. the black market will flourish for those with ill intent..Limiting gun collectors from their hobby will do nothing in reducing gun crimes. Nadda , zilch -zippohw. They arent the ones comitting them.


answer please:M s thirteen is THE most violnet gang in history. Well represented now here in the USA. Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?


edit: Well since they are "known" members,, YES. Round them up or if needed shoot them up. Get that cancer the hell OUTTA HERE. Its UTTER nonsense to have an enemy right in your face spitting at your laws and driving the class of the country down. Period,, end o story. We can google sex crime folks - look at their pics,, but NOT gang members?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?

I don't think they should be allowed to stay. I think only those who are willing and determined to contribute to society should be allowed to stay. What do you suggest we do? Maybe some laws that make gang membership illegal in order to justify shipping them back or incarcerating them? Maybe just round up anyone who looks like they might be in said gang and ship them back?

What does gang membership have to do with being able to easily buy guns? You know the gangs are around. You have guns for self-protection. Do you need to run down to the gun store and buy a couple more a week depending on how many gang members you see on your way to the supermarket?

The black market is already flourishing... ask Chaz... mainly because anyone with a clean record can purchase 2 guns a week and sell them on the streets... EASY. NOT the case in England or ANY OTHER country with strict gun laws.

Prohibition of alcohol was an entirely different issue. Nobody was using alcohol specifically to kill others.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Wes, i saw a local gang member - in colors with the tats at the local range shooting a fully auto Ak. So do i think assualt weapons should be banned? Hell no- theres a bazillion out there already and bans will ONLY prohibit LEGAL folks. Band aid on dry scab. I in my simplistic view, say get rid of that gang banger with the fully auto AK. But thats just me.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
I in my simplistic view... But thats just me.

Yep. Luckily many Merkins realize it ain't that easy.

Maybe you should just get all Gran Torino on their asses...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
give me open reigns and i would quickly have a group to solve the gang problem of carson city. Id volunteer for that duty. This is MY home..MY lands..I risked myself in SAR,USFS, risked myself in wildfires too. Dont think i wont risk myself to clean the hood.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I trust you. I'm sure you can just tell who's who and will only deal with those who pose a real problem. When you are done with that, maybe you could do something about the hippies and freaks and homos?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 28, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
hippies freaks and homos dont threaten me. Ive known many of each..


And , if the sheriff here can give accurate count numbers of "known" gang membrs, then they have their sweet lil faces on polaroid too.. That is how the list and targets would be determined. Bingo-bongo. Before we got half way through, the other half would already be gone..
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