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TGT
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So Cal
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May 31, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
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When I was a kid we brought real ones.
No problems.
Repeating firearms have been around for 150 years.
the first incident of a mass shooting by a juvenile was in 1971
Why is that Unhinged?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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May 31, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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The cap gun kid should try to get a lifetime NRA membership like this lucky little fellow:
The National Rifle Association has given an 8-year-old boy a free lifetime membership, the Baltimore Sun reports. His achievement was chewing a Pop-Tart into the shape of a gun.
Joshua Welch (Screenshot/Baltimore Sun)
The NRA gave Joshua Welch the free membership — which usually costs $550 — at a fundraiser Wednesday night for Anne Arundel County Republicans. Welch returned to playing games on his cellphone after he got the award, the Sun reported.
Welch got on the news after his March 1 suspension from Park Elementary School for the Pop-Tart incident. He was 7 then and denied trying to make the Pop-Tart look like a weapon.
When pressed by a CBS Baltimore reporter, though, Welch said, "When I was done, it turned out to be a gun, yeah."
Park Elementary told parents it would give counseling to any children who needed it after the Pop-Tart incident.
A lawyer has filed an appeal to get the two-day suspension off Welch's record.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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May 31, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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We're trying out your theory right now in Afghanistan - like a university study. And it looks as if you've been proven wrong, in the real world. The overnight collapse you speak of is taking more than ten years! Sure it sounds good, but in practice, we see otherwise.
I might add, Afghanistan is largely populated by illiterate cave men.
What percentage of Afghans do you think are opposed to the US invasion of their country?
What percentage of the US population would actively support armed rebellion in response to passage of any gun control legislation seriously proposed by any member of congress over the last twenty years?
Name any guerrilla war won without support of the population?
TE
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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May 31, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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Woah Now..Settel down Pretty Pony
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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May 31, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
 Why wouldn't they just go through with it after all… They have their guns!!?!!?!
I thought guns were supposed to make you a real man….
Except when it comes to actually acting like one with your words and deeds.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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_ Post something real
Read your own words much?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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How could that be? Obama said 90% of the country wants to crack down on guns and gun owners.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Don't argue with the gunNUTS. They have been indoctrinated.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Insurers Refuse To Cover Kansas Schools Where Teachers Carry Guns Because It’s Too Risky
By Aviva Shen on Jul 8, 2013 at 10:00 am
In the wake of the Newtown massacre, several states passed laws to allow school officials to carry firearms on campus, arguing that more guns would keep students safe. Insurance companies apparently disagree now that these laws are beginning to take effect. In Kansas, where the law kicked in July 1, major insurers have deemed the new policy too risky and are refusing to cover schools that arm their employees.
Des Moines-based EMC Insurance, which covers 85 to 90 percent of Kansas school districts, has a longstanding policy of denying coverage to schools that arm employees, and they seem unlikely to change it to accommodate Kansas’ new law. Two smaller insurance firms that cover the remaining 10 percent of Kansas schools are also adopting the same policy. Insurers say the risk of giving guns to anyone but law enforcement in a building full of children would make a school’s coverage much more expensive.
“We’ve been writing school business for almost 40 years, and one of the underwriting guidelines we follow for schools is that any on-site armed security should be provided by uniformed, qualified law enforcement officers,” EMC executive Mick Lovell told USA Today.
While no Kansas schools have thus far taken advantage of the new law, districts all over the country started encouraging and even requiring teachers to carry weapons after the Newtown shooting. Over the weekend, a school district in Newcomerstown, Ohio, announced that they would allow employees to carry guns starting in the 2013 school year. The selected employees will undergo tactical training and get certified by the Sheriff’s department.
A week after the Newtown shooting in December, the National Rifle Association pushed for more guns in schools, arguing that “gun-free zones” attract killers. However, as the insurers recognize, arming teachers and custodians poses a far greater danger. Nor do more weapons do much to stop gunmen from doing harm; Columbine High School, the site of one of the most deadly shootings in U.S. history, had an armed guard. Most gunmen wreak havoc in just a few minutes, which would require an armed staffer to have a lightning-fast response time to disarm the shooter. Indeed, even gun shows require aficionados to check their weapons at the door for safety reasons.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/07/08/2262861/insurers-kansas-armed-teachers-risk/
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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arming teachers and custodians poses far greater danger
Uh,.... I've forgotten. How many tragedies have been precipitated by the armed teachers and custodians already in our schools?
I know of 1 case (in another country) where an armed teacher prevented a tragedy.
What presumptuous postulators antigunners are!
Insurance companies?
They know it all, huh?
Why lionize people that have sold their souls. They make book on bad news and make profits by screwing the victims.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 14, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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New Missouri Law Would Allow First Graders To Take NRA-Sponsored Gun Class
By Esther Yu-Hsi Lee on Jul 14, 2013 at 2:52 pm
First-graders may soon be able to enroll in a NRA sponsored gun class as a result of a public safety bill signed into law by Missouri Governor Jay Nixon (D) on Friday.
The measure requires school personnel to participate in at least eight hours of an “Active Shooter and Intruder Response Training” program conducted by law enforcement officials and allows schools to apply for financial grants for the NRA’s Eddie Eagle Gunsafe Program.
The NRA claims that the course, which features colorful cartoon character named Eddie Eagle, teaches children about gun safety. But research has failed to link the program to a reduction in children’s deaths from guns, with some studies showing that while “children could memorize Eddie’s simple advice about avoiding guns,” the instruction “went unheeded when children were put in real-life scenarios and asked to role-play a response.” Another report labeled Eddie Eagle “Joe Camel with feathers” and argued that the goal of the program was to recruit new NRA members.
The gun lobby itself has a long record of marketing guns to children and actively works to discredit groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) that want to stop children from encountering guns in the first place. Missouri now joins North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia in providing an endorsement of the NRA program through state laws. Ohio was the first state to fund the Eddie Eagle program.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/14/2297771/missouri-first-graders-gun-safety-courses/
Hell why are they waiting so long? I am sure they believe they could train them inutero.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 14, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
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Uh,... philo, learning to be safe is a bad idea?
Oh yeah, thats right, this is about brainwashing little minds.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 14, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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So you'd rather have them only have the knowledge gleaned from Saturday morning cartoons?
Seems you haven't a clue as to what's in the NRA lessons.
According to the National Center for Health Statistics, fatal firearm accidents in the Eddie Eagle age group have been reduced by over 80% since the program's nationwide launch. NRA feels that gun accident prevention programs such as Eddie Eagle are a significant factor in that decline.
Widely Used
Since 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been taught by more than 26,000 schoolteachers and law enforcement officers nationwide. Since 1988, the program has reached over 26 million children - in all 50 states.
They should:
STOP!
DON'T TOUCH.
LEAVE THE AREA.
TELL AN ADULT.
http://eddieeagle.nra.org/program-features.aspx
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 14, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been honored or formally endorsed by groups such as the National Sheriffs' Association, the American Legion, the Police Athletic League, the Association of American Educators, and others. The program has received bipartisan support from the governors of 26 states who signed resolutions recommending that the program be used in their school systems. Additionally, the legislatures of 23 states passed resolutions recommending the use of the Eddie Eagle Program in their states.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 14, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
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The Violence Policy Center, pffft!
Yeah, a really objective organization.
Although my father dropped the ball in several regards, going target shooting and hunting with him were entirely positive bonding experiences. The education I got from the getgo in safe weapons handling has served me well not only in my personal conduct, but also in recognizing the skill (or lack thereof) in others.
Kids learning gun safety is just one facet of a well rounded upbringing for rural offspring, a breed admittedly becoming rare.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 14, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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Any of you NRAdvocates been around many six year olds for any length of time? Something tells me No.
Ron how old were you when you bonded with your dad?
My Grandfather was a consummate outdoorsman. He taught us all gun safety after we reached 12 years old when he thought maturity had reached a point of responsibility. Should Nascar promote driver's ed classes in elementary school? Is it actually relevant to the young mind?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 14, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 14, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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I was about 4 when a deer came out of the woods surrounding our house and my dad went and grabbed his .257 Roberts, made sure it was unloaded, and leveled it on the living room window sill.
After a bit he had me take a look taking care to teach me the 2nd discipline.
In the next years we started with archery and .22s
By the time I was 13 I was ranked higher than my camp counselor "instructor".
Thanks dad.
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