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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
I bet there's more than 12,000 that would shoot it out. That ok with you?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Hey, are you quoting homicides, suicides, or both? Save me the trouble of looking it up, ok? Anyway, more than half of all gun deaths are suicides. Let's see... rope, pills, exhaust, jumping off cliffs.... Doubt we'll eliminate all of those....
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Also, what about all those pot smokers out there... how DO you classify them? Also rebels?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Ah, f*#k this. I'm bored with you. Have a nice day.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
How about ideas to reduce violent crime in general? Guns are just an expedient method.

My understanding is that violent crime is well correlated with population density. I'm not sure any place has really come up with a way to significantly reduce violent crime... of course I could be wrong.

As you state, guns are an expedient method for carrying out the crime... and generally have more serious results.

So, assuming violent crime will not be dramatically reduced without a radical new breakthrough or changing population density... would you rather have that violent crime committed with fists, knives and clubs... or guns? Personally, I'd rather be held at knife point than gun point (again).
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Our last 6 homicides in the last couple of weeks- all mexican natls, and most KNOWN gangers...Including the one that stole the NHP vehicle then comitted suicide after another car jacking and chase...But lets not even talk about THAT,, because,, you know,, it aint PC..
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Ok ok, one more post...

If we're not committed to reducing violent crime in dense populations, then the bandaid of gun control will do little to compensate, and we're definitely not trying hard enough.

This is not to say it can be easily fixed, indeed crime, and violent crime, has been committed since man became man. As a society, we strive to improve our lives, and the quality of them. Crime, in general, will probably be with us throughout our existence.

Reduction? I don't know... who does? Maybe we could fund more education, better education, so that our young people stand a better chance of competing in the global market, as well as here. Maybe we could work harder at keeping people off drugs, or treating those who are already addicted. It's sad to see someone needlessly throw their life away on alcohol and other substances, yet it happens every day. Maybe we could work harder on treating mental disorders such as PTSD, depression, and others. Hell, some day we might even have state funded healthcare and education. Oops... too far.

Personally, I like having the choice to use a firearm for self defense. There are, whether you believe it or not, defensive situations at distance where other methods simply would not work. But that wasn't the question...

Would I rather be held at knifepoint or gunpoint? Neither. I'd like not to have my life threatened at all. I would, however, like to have the more effective weapon, so that a)perpetrator runs scared without firing a shot; b)I have a chance at stopping perpetrator. I doubt very much that I could fight off a 300lbs dude with a knife without serious injury. I also know that most confrontations occur at contact distance anyway, so whatever the weapon might be, I'm likely at a disadvantage from the start.

As stated much earlier, my firearms also put food on the table. Interesting, that some friends happened by and asked how much gun I actually NEED to do that... to which I answered something like a single shot, traditional hunting rifle would do just fine. Any one of which is just as capable of taking a life as the next one... And I'll bring up again the DC Sniper. One shot at a time.

Anyway, in the meantime, it's clearly beneficial to post rants here. Therapeutic and such for guys who are obsessed, like mr jghedge, who clearly has more time to waste than I do.

Good night, sweethearts.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
uhhhmmm violent crime and murders ARE DOWN from a decade past arent they?

So maybe we are/were heading in the right direction...


and g'night shoogums...;-)
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Feb 18, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
mass murdering millions will never upset us good liberals when done correctly. example when done with high capacity abortion machinery. Or with knifes, clubs, hammers, angry fists, automobiles, or drones.

But some few get dead with bullets and suddenly our panties are in a painful bunch to do the wrong thing rather than no thing at all.




Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
yes, it is better to do no thing at all

always
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
If we're not committed to reducing violent crime in dense populations

Seriously? You don't think anyone is committed to that? It seems pretty well the way it is, high population density = high violent crime rate. Just like violent crime committed with guns = high murder rate.


Maybe we could fund more education, better education, so that our young people stand a better chance of competing in the global market, as well as here.

KEY! If only there was a sector of society that we could get to chip in for the benefit of the less fortunate. I bet if 1% of the population paid the same tax rate I paid our education system would start turning out kids who knew what statistics were.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Personally, I like having the choice to use a firearm for self defense. There are, whether you believe it or not, defensive situations at distance where other methods simply would not work. But that wasn't the question...

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what those are. I'm trying to get anyone to provide a realistic personal defense scenario where a high velocity round, large capacity magazine, and rapid fire capability is necessary.

TE
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Why do the police and IRS and SS agencies need ARs????
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what those are. I'm trying to get anyone to provide a realistic personal defense scenario where a high velocity round, large capacity magazine, and rapid fire capability is necessary.

well ok then!

lets say a bad gun comes to break into your house and he has a high velocity round, large capacity magazine and rapid rapid capacity weapon

you would NOT want me to be OUTGUNNED now would you?

what if he came to my door with an M1A1 Abrams tank, I would need one too

simple
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
You want to deny the police AR's, Ron? Are ya serious?


Why does the IRS need powerful weapons?

Because the IRS can be involved in dangerous investigations.

IRS CI division has been investigating dangerous organizations such as drug traffickers since the 1920s. Established in 1919 as the "Intelligence Unit" and changing its name in 1978, CI's agents have historically investigated potentially dangerous individuals and organizations, beginning with its first investigation of an "opium trafficker in Hawaii in the early 1920s." CI's Narcotics division has stated its "goal is to utilize the financial investigative expertise of its special agents to disrupt, dismantle, through investigation, prosecution and asset forfeiture, the country's major drug and money laundering organizations."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/02/04/right-wing-blogosphere-baselessly-fearmonger-ov/160071

Social Security agents also investigate fraud, and sometimes go into dangerous situations as well.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
lets say a bad gun comes to break into your house and he has a high velocity round, large capacity magazine and rapid rapid capacity weapon

you would NOT want me to be OUTGUNNED now would you?

If he is breaking into my house why would I be worried about you being out gunned?

But seriously, the chances of someone with a weapon like you describe breaking into my home is a statistical possibility. It has happened around here before and it will happen again. I would prefer not to be outgunned since there is already a good chance I'll be outnumbered (gangs you know.)

An M1 Abrams? Not a chance in hell unless it's being driven by soldiers.

BTW, what the heck is a high velocity round? A bullet which goes fast? In my 9mm I shoot 147 grain subsonics. They are not high velocity but they sure pack a punch. Are those bad too?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
I shoot 148 grain, so there.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
It's pointless to explain to a serf,


The value of being a free citizen.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 18, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
someone questioned as to what good it does to require guns be registered


this from our local Albuquerque news service demonstrates how important it is:

The indictment states Taylor bought two handguns from The Sportsmen's Warehouse in Albuquerque on Aug. 6. It also said on Aug. 17 Taylor bought two more guns from The Shooters Den on San Mateo.

But Taylor has been charged for lying to the gun stores about who the guns were for.

The indictment never mentions a connection of the guns with convicted felon Chris Blattner. He had a standoff with police just five days after Taylor bought the final two guns. Police said Blattner shot at police.

Taylor has now been arrested for providing the guns, straw man purchase
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 18, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
a gun "registry" is already completed when you fill out a brady back ground check. It registers either A) long gun, or B) hand gun. Why does anyone need to know more than that.? OBVIOUSLY the FBI doesnt give a rip,, so why does anyone else?
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