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Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Mar 4, 2013 - 04:09am PT
Hahaha, your average gun nut would mow down half the family by the time the intruder (if there ever actually was one) was halfway down the street.

You might, but not your typical gun owner.
I guess you think that once you own a gun, your common sense just completely disappears?
I guess you think cops are receiving some magical training that is not available elsewhere?
Do you actually know any gun owners or "gun nuts"?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 4, 2013 - 08:56am PT
You might, but not your typical gun owner.

47% of Americans have a gun in their household.

The "typical" gun owner is a cross section of America. There's plenty of stupid and reckless in that cross section.

The "typical" gun owner is just somebody with a gun in their home. Most have only learned the basic mechanical use of the weapon (e.g. how to load, clean, etc) and few have any tactical training at all (i.e. how to actually engage a threat.)

The number of firearm accidents that occur simply because people think the gun is unloaded when there is still a round in the chamber is plenty of evidence that the the "typical" firearm owner doesn't really know what the f*#k they are doing.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/19/us/north-carolina-gun-show-shooting
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:31am PT
I guess you think cops are receiving some magical training that is not available elsewhere?

Available, yes. Utilized, no. Not for the typical gun owner.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 4, 2013 - 09:52am PT
How many sheets of drywall would a .223 go through??



the box o' truth says more than 12, or clean through 6 walls.





http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/


So is this still normal? DHS purchased 2700 of these vehicles. Drones. Bullets. Where is the line to cross? What does it take to get most Americans to sit up and pay attention? I think it will take even more of this. I Think it will take the visible omnipresence and irreversible use before most will realize what has become of their republic.


Anyone believe it will take less, or the line will be closer than that?

I think the distraction of gun laws - where some believe in a fairytale country that can be made perfect with laws that ignore the reality of who and how many guns are already out there - helps to blur the issue. I believe the predominance of education from the news outlets will help move that line much further down the road as well.




monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:00am PT
The ammo stockpiling meme has been debunked several times. It's scheduled delivery as needed over years.

http://metabunk.org/threads/599-Debunked-DHS-orders-450-million-40-caliber-bullets-for-use-in-America

So the first thing to notice here is that it's not an order for 450 million bullets. It's a contract to supply, with a MAXIMUM volume of 450 million rounds over FIVE YEARS

But the thing that this hoax ignores is that the vast majority of rounds fired are NOT fired at people. They are fired during training and practice

And Anderson's favorite site (run by a republican couple): http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Excellent link tooth. However that is nothing compared to this:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/christian-parents-should-have-their-kids-play-with-toy-guns/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Snopes hardly debunks anything.


NO ONE i know, including military and local LEOs fire hollow points for "target practice".. Qualifiers will shoot hollow points but normally only then. So we have millions of round of ammo being ordered by various agencies, along with those cool fema coffins and grave sites. Plus a few detention centers. We MUST have more terrorists here than we know right!??

Or are they anticipating the collpase of the economy, and ensuing loss of benefits from the govt to the many relying on those.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:02am PT
Of course you would think so, being so gullible.

It's not unusual for an agency to require training and qualifying with the ammo type you actually use. Like, Duh!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Intruder alert!!! These guys seem to travel in groups of 10 or more around here.

Start shooting...

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:07am PT
and you are now half deaf and your ears are ringing cuz you didn't have hearing protection. (don't worry, your hearing will come back in a couple of days or so)

Up until then I had little or no disagreement with what you said, but with those lines you've lost it all. Firing a shotgun in the air outside causes hearing loss for days? Some gun.

I'm not trying to defend Biden's advice, I already said it wasn't the best. Every situation is different, and no one approach is going to be right. I still maintain that the majority of intruders would be sent running by the sound of a slamming door, never mind a gunshot, but for that tiny, tiny percentage of homicidally-intent psychopaths you've just revealed your position and used up one shot. Of course being armed vastly improves your odds, but not if being armed encourages you to investigate the sounds downstairs instead of calling 911 and waiting.

Training, would that be a great idea? Does any state require training to buy or own a gun? Here in PA you must pass a safety test to get a hunting license to carry a gun in the woods, but no test is required to get a LCF where you'll be carrying in public places with the implicit intent of using it to shoot someone.

This debate shouldn't be about the best way to stop an intruder, it should be about the many ways we can reduce the number of people killed by guns. Banning assault weapons and universal background checks won't solve the problem alone, but neither will armed guards in schools, improving mental health policy or even enforcing current laws, none of which anybody wants to pay for.

TE














Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:11am PT


Well, here in NV, we just had a new law pass the senate which lets CCW holders qualify with ANY handgun, and the permit will be good for ALL handguns. No longer will you have to qualify with each piece you carry..

No longer will you have to pay a Brady Check fee if having a CCW also..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:19am PT
The greatest gun debate: A Kimber 1911 compact,, or a springfield 1911 compact?
QITNL

climber
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Favorite part of the penis - sulcus or shaft?

David Lewis

Trad climber
North Conway,New Hampshire
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:25am PT
In many states it is against the law to fire a warning shot and for good reasons. You are either in danger for your life or you are not. If you are in danger, you shoot to incapacitate the intruder. A warning shot is a form of wreckless endangerment and in fact someone in VA was just arrested for shooting a shot gun warning shot as prescribed by our Vice President. It is very apparent that he does not know the law nor does he understand what happens or needs to happen to protect ones life.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Aw cmon now,, Double barrel Biden says thats the way to do it,, and he should know cuz hes in charge of gun laws to be ..

Theres reality, and then there is double barrel Biden..

Reality says, you shoot off weapons in a congested area with out due cause will land you in the pokey, just like it did for my nieghbors.



and thanks to QITNL for blowing out the page. REAL CLASS going on here this am...
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
TradEddie is way too informed, objective and logical to be in this thread. TE, please cease and desist from posting in this thread. Your cooperation is appreciated.

The Management
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
You might, but not your typical gun owner.
I guess you think that once you own a gun, your common sense just completely disappears?
I guess you think cops are receiving some magical training that is not available elsewhere?
Do you actually know any gun owners or "gun nuts"?

I do. Several. And Hedge is not far off in his assessment.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
you need to hang with a new crowd Gary..;-)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
The Kimber compact CDP is a terrific carry piece, but I removed the ambi safety.

Nothing but problems with a Springfield 1911, albeit in .40
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 4, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
hmmm, a buddy has the springfield in .45 and zero issues..They both are "purdy"...
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