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hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
You're right hedge. I don't need guns. There are plenty of other ways to kill people.

Fortunately for me, the constitution protects my individual right to have guns, whether or not I choose to own them. The Supreme Court upholds this right, the President and the Vice President recognize this right. The majority of Congress recognize this right. Individual state constitutions reiterate this right.
The history of this country demonstrates that we've always supported firearms ownership.
Tradition in this country, whereby countless generations have kept, born, and employed firearms support the ongoing individual ownership of arms here for what are and have been deemed, historically and traditionally, appropriate uses.
You and your ankle-biting "35 deaths in the UK" rhetoric are like a toothless chihuahua nipping on the heels of an elephant.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 1, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
baaahahahahaaa^^^^^^GUD one HR...
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Mar 2, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Simple idea: just make all gun sellers civilly responsible for the actions of their customers as per the involvement/use of the firearm they've sold. Then background checks and registration will, at least to some degree, become the interest and purview of the private sector and not the government. Sell a gun to a madman and you pay the price.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 2, 2013 - 01:51am PT
What if the gun seller goes and does something illegal with the money the gun buyer gave him when the buyer bought the gun? Is the gun buyer responsible for what the gun seller does with the money that once was his, after it has left his possession?
MarkGrubb

climber
Mar 2, 2013 - 05:29am PT
We should apply Pauls logic to cars, gasoline, alcohol, and food.

Epic fail in logic.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 2, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Not really. The background check would be the private sellers proof that he met the acceptable standard of conduct. Not unreasonable for a product designed to kill.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:03am PT
What do the self-defense pros suggest?

Who are these "self-defense pros" you keep referring to?

Your karate teacher?




YES SENSEI!

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:17am PT
It's pretty clear when people advise shooting blindly in the dark at an unidentified person instead of first attempting to scare them away that background checks aren't doing nearly enough to identify the mentally ill.

The gun-nut intardweb is going crazy over Biden's comments, cos it goes against so many gun-nuts greatest fantasy - actually getting the chance to shoot someone. They've been so caught up in their "right" to shoot someone that they've forgotten it's not an obligation.

Anyway its going to be 45 and sunny, I'm going climbing, remember that?

TE


saghi

Trad climber
Muskogee, OK
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:23am PT
We have failed, as a society/country, to promote the value and importance of a human life!

Instead of focusing on regulating us into morality, why not focus on forming a society that is responsible enough to enjoy even more freedoms than we already do?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Yep TE,, many are laughing hard at "double barrel Biden" ..

Not due to some deep desire to shoot someone as you suggest,, but at the GLARING and absolutley wrong approach to self defense , laws, and common practices.

THE FIRST thing one learns when being trained to hace a CCW is that you only pull a gun when absolutly required, and you use it to STOP the immediate threat and only the immediate threat. Shooting blindly into the night,, NOT a recomended procedure by any ones standards.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Don't underestimate the effectiveness of a warning shot.


kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:34am PT
you guy's get started early.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:35am PT
ive been up since 4:00..
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:45am PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 2, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Answer for Shotgun Joe

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 2, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Well that guy nailed douboe barrel Biden on the head.. Still have a hard time realizing Biden is in "charge" of the gun control issues..His next task will be to retrofit submarines with screen doors.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 2, 2013 - 11:22am PT
They need to bring back The Beverly Hillbillies with an update for a polarized red state/ blue state nation.

A pretty brilliant show concept.



But somebody needs to teach granny better muzzle and trigger finger discipline.
And if they ever DO put a half pound of lead in a 12 bore,..
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Mar 2, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
THE FIRST thing one learns when being trained to hace a CCW is that you only pull a gun when absolutly required, and you use it to STOP the immediate threat and only the immediate threat. Shooting blindly into the night,, NOT a recomended procedure by any ones standards.

You're making my point for me. An intruder in your house is NOT an immediate threat to your life, the vast majority of burglars are just meth-heads looking for some cash or jewelery, the last thing they want is a confrontation. If you suspect the intruder has a gun, nothing but arrogance allows you to think you have any better than a 50/50 chance of coming out on top once you move towards them. The gun culture has become so caught up in Stand Your Ground and the Castle Doctrine that people have forgotten that just because you CAN shoot an intruder and face no consequence, doesn't mean you NEED to.

Since you guys seem to have your finger on the pulse of the self-defense experts, see if you can find one that recommends a 30 shot semi-auto rifle for home defense? Approximately how many sheets of drywall would a .223 go through? You guys are screaming about the public safety menace of firing a shotgun in the air yet insist that banning assault rifles would eliminate your ability to defend your home.

While I don't agree with jhedge, at least he's got a consistent position.

TE
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 2, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Self defense, like climbing, is entirely situational. Obviously firing off .223 round in an apartment complex made of drywall is irresponsible. But how about for a rancher in southern AZ.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 2, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
They should be allowed permits to carry assault weapons if they are in vulnerable area to traffickers. But just because they have them shouldn't mean everyone is entitled to one.
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