jghedge
climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
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"To use your parlance Joe, it's inevitable that reasonable people will look for reasonable ways to further accelerate the rate of decline in our gun homicide rate without outlawing guns and without repealing the 2nd amendment."
But the rate isn't declining. It's increasing. And reasonable people don't try to defend 12,000 gun deaths a year, when other countries have virtually none.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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That's an interesting graph and you make a good point. It's much more effective than frothing at the mouth.
Still, outlawing guns and and repealing the 2nd amendment is politically not feasible or realistic in this country. Better for reasonable realistic people to come up with reasonable and realistic solutions.
Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
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"then explain to me WHY Alaska has THE loosest gun laws and THE highest gun death rate
and Massachusetts has THE toughest gun laws and THE lowest gun death rate"
Because Massachusetts is primarily liberal, and Alaska primarily conservative.
What's the per capita gun ownership rate in those states? Any chance it correlates with higher/lower gun deaths?
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
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Dunno. Right now I'm off to sushi though. I'll debate later if you like. Other wise happy frothing.
D
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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"Better for reasonable realistic people to come up with reasonable and realistic solutions."
What's your PROVEN solution to get our gun deaths down to the level of other countries that have outlawed them?
Want to hear mine?
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
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And I'm off to LAX to not get my balls groped again. A pity.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
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What's the per capita gun ownership rate in those states? Any chance it correlates with higher/lower gun deaths?
you just defeated your own contention, Joe, not even a good try
think about it
the REASON for the direct correlation IS BECAUSE the stricter and looser gun laws ARE IN PLACE
Jesus, Joe
you are getting irrational, unreasonable, and blindly insistent in your "righteousness"
why if one did not know better one would take you for a "conservative"
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
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Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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wow,, da poop is piling up here.. wessie,, youve been an insulting prick from the git go.
fer shyts sake rong, yur trying to make an arguement out of a few sarcastic "phrases"
Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.
True dat. Which makes the gun nuts that much more idiotic.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
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Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?
Ron, I have to ask you to be more specific?
knowing you and I don't agree on just about anything.....
are you trying to insult me again or actually agreeing with me on something?
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Feb 15, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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Screw you guys. I'm going climbing tomorrow. Probably have a gun and/or a dog with me, like usual. Maybe a beer, maybe a sandwich. But I won't be here.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Feb 15, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
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I wish I could go climbing tomorrow, too much snow hanging around still. Better take my new gun out!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 15, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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Having too much fun with new Quarks in lovely Ouray to debate with anyone. Strangely enough I don't know if I've ever gotten my balls groped in Montrose by the TSA on the way out. I can only hope.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 15, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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Norton,
Alaska is a special case. Everybody has a powerful handgun or a riot gun and, combined with the suicide inducing winters, rates will be higher than Malibu.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 15, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
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true, Ron
however, even excluding Alaska from the correlations between gun laws and gun deaths,
the facts remain clear that the states with the most restrictive gun laws have few gun deaths, and the states with the most restrictive gun laws, like Mass, have the least deaths
but you already know this from your review of the wikipedia gun laws and deaths per states rankings of all 50 states
of course this has nothing to do with the current effort to find some reasonable ways to possible mitigate mass murder such as Aurora and Sandy Hook
I can't think of anyone who does not agree that it better to do something rather than nothing, as long as MY GUNS ARE NOT TAKEN AWAY
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jghedge
climber
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Feb 16, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
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The perfect distillation of mouth-frothing, gun nut idiocy:
Wayne LaPierre: More Guns Needed For 'Hellish World' Filled With Hurricanes, Kidnappers, Drug Gangs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/wayne-lapierre-more-guns_n_2681260.html
In dramatic language, LaPierre wrote that "the American people clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster. Gun owners are not buying firearms because they anticipate a confrontation with the government. Rather, we anticipate confrontations where the government isn't there -- or simply doesn't show up in time."
New York City in the wake of Hurricane Sandy was LaPierre's prime example of just such a disaster: "After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all."
The facts, however, indicate the opposite was true. In the five days following Hurricane Sandy, there were no homicides at all in New York City -- which is unusual, considering historical data.
Hahahahaha
Facts don't even come close to supporting your paranoid, lunatic raving? No Problem.
Just Make Sh#t Up!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 16, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
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"After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia.
king fuking idiot!
In the five days following Hurricane Sandy, there were no homicides at all in New York City
Is that true? If so, very cool. I recall reports of civility for a couple days after, followed by assurances that it would get much, much worse as time went on. But I never heard of it getting much, much worse and the folks I know in NYC (photogs and educators) seemed pretty upbeat about it on the FB, considering.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 16, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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The big Crossroads gun show now going on in Reno! It took an hour and a half to get in- as there were lines at 6:00 am and the doors didnt open until 9:00 am..
The line for wholesale ammo is an additional 2 hour wait in lines!!!!!!!!
Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 16, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!
So, what you are saying is that you were dead wrong... again. Shocking.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Feb 16, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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No ,,I had said yesterday that i HOPED there wouldnt be price gouging.. So,, you would be,, the weakest link,, as usual..
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