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jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
"To use your parlance Joe, it's inevitable that reasonable people will look for reasonable ways to further accelerate the rate of decline in our gun homicide rate without outlawing guns and without repealing the 2nd amendment."

But the rate isn't declining. It's increasing. And reasonable people don't try to defend 12,000 gun deaths a year, when other countries have virtually none.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
That's an interesting graph and you make a good point. It's much more effective than frothing at the mouth.

Still, outlawing guns and and repealing the 2nd amendment is politically not feasible or realistic in this country. Better for reasonable realistic people to come up with reasonable and realistic solutions.

Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
"then explain to me WHY Alaska has THE loosest gun laws and THE highest gun death rate

and Massachusetts has THE toughest gun laws and THE lowest gun death rate"

Because Massachusetts is primarily liberal, and Alaska primarily conservative.

What's the per capita gun ownership rate in those states? Any chance it correlates with higher/lower gun deaths?
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Dunno. Right now I'm off to sushi though. I'll debate later if you like. Other wise happy frothing.

D
jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
"Better for reasonable realistic people to come up with reasonable and realistic solutions."

What's your PROVEN solution to get our gun deaths down to the level of other countries that have outlawed them?

Want to hear mine?

jghedge

climber
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
And I'm off to LAX to not get my balls groped again. A pity.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
What's the per capita gun ownership rate in those states? Any chance it correlates with higher/lower gun deaths?

you just defeated your own contention, Joe, not even a good try

think about it

the REASON for the direct correlation IS BECAUSE the stricter and looser gun laws ARE IN PLACE

Jesus, Joe

you are getting irrational, unreasonable, and blindly insistent in your "righteousness"

why if one did not know better one would take you for a "conservative"
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
wow,, da poop is piling up here.. wessie,, youve been an insulting prick from the git go.

fer shyts sake rong, yur trying to make an arguement out of a few sarcastic "phrases"

Guns will NEVER be outlawed in this country. Ever.

True dat. Which makes the gun nuts that much more idiotic.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Norton,, how does that FENCE feel in yer butt-crack? Its all gud as long as it doesnt interfere with YOUR particular gun tastes and rights - right?

Ron, I have to ask you to be more specific?

knowing you and I don't agree on just about anything.....

are you trying to insult me again or actually agreeing with me on something?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Feb 15, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
Screw you guys. I'm going climbing tomorrow. Probably have a gun and/or a dog with me, like usual. Maybe a beer, maybe a sandwich. But I won't be here.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Feb 15, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
I wish I could go climbing tomorrow, too much snow hanging around still. Better take my new gun out!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
Having too much fun with new Quarks in lovely Ouray to debate with anyone. Strangely enough I don't know if I've ever gotten my balls groped in Montrose by the TSA on the way out. I can only hope.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 15, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Norton,
Alaska is a special case. Everybody has a powerful handgun or a riot gun and, combined with the suicide inducing winters, rates will be higher than Malibu.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 15, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
true, Ron

however, even excluding Alaska from the correlations between gun laws and gun deaths,
the facts remain clear that the states with the most restrictive gun laws have few gun deaths, and the states with the most restrictive gun laws, like Mass, have the least deaths

but you already know this from your review of the wikipedia gun laws and deaths per states rankings of all 50 states

of course this has nothing to do with the current effort to find some reasonable ways to possible mitigate mass murder such as Aurora and Sandy Hook

I can't think of anyone who does not agree that it better to do something rather than nothing, as long as MY GUNS ARE NOT TAKEN AWAY

jghedge

climber
Feb 16, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
The perfect distillation of mouth-frothing, gun nut idiocy:

Wayne LaPierre: More Guns Needed For 'Hellish World' Filled With Hurricanes, Kidnappers, Drug Gangs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/wayne-lapierre-more-guns_n_2681260.html


In dramatic language, LaPierre wrote that "the American people clearly see the daunting forces we will undoubtedly face: terrorists, crime, drug gangs, the possibility of Euro-style debt riots, civil unrest or natural disaster. Gun owners are not buying firearms because they anticipate a confrontation with the government. Rather, we anticipate confrontations where the government isn't there -- or simply doesn't show up in time."

New York City in the wake of Hurricane Sandy was LaPierre's prime example of just such a disaster: "After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all."

The facts, however, indicate the opposite was true. In the five days following Hurricane Sandy, there were no homicides at all in New York City -- which is unusual, considering historical data.


Hahahahaha

Facts don't even come close to supporting your paranoid, lunatic raving? No Problem.

Just Make Sh#t Up!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 16, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
"After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia.

king fuking idiot!


In the five days following Hurricane Sandy, there were no homicides at all in New York City

Is that true? If so, very cool. I recall reports of civility for a couple days after, followed by assurances that it would get much, much worse as time went on. But I never heard of it getting much, much worse and the folks I know in NYC (photogs and educators) seemed pretty upbeat about it on the FB, considering.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 16, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
at capacity for the convention center room,, 3000 at a time - Crossroa...
at capacity for the convention center room,, 3000 at a time - Crossroads Gun Show, Reno, NV 2/13
Credit: Ron Anderson


The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun S...
The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun Show, Rno NV,2/13 the wait in line just to get in was over 1.5 hours.
Credit: Ron Anderson


The big Crossroads gun show now going on in Reno! It took an hour and a half to get in- as there were lines at 6:00 am and the doors didnt open until 9:00 am..

The line for wholesale ammo is an additional 2 hour wait in lines!!!!!!!!

Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 16, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Relieved to see NOT MUCH price gouging,, and many good deals on guns ammo and accessories!

So, what you are saying is that you were dead wrong... again. Shocking.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 16, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
No ,,I had said yesterday that i HOPED there wouldnt be price gouging.. So,, you would be,, the weakest link,, as usual..
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