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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 7, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
lessee,, hollyweird,, SeanPenn butt hurt over huh-yooogo chavez,, Dennis Rodman goes all kimjong,, and of course,, the classic Hanoi Jane.

Fake people that fake for a living, that are simply fakes.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 7, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
"Only a matter of time, obviously, before this lunatic flips out and murders the wife and kid."

Two and a half years and nothing yet... Doesn,t that sorta run contrary to your obvious theory that the more guns you own the sooner you,re going homicidal?

Obviously, just a matter of time until you get so worked up over a gun thread that you pop a vein in your head and die just for thinking about guns.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 7, 2013 - 06:25pm PT


Trust Hollywood to keep glamorizing murder during the gun debate to make $$.



worthless without pictures

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 7, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Those need to be belt fed.

This will require some hands on experimentation.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
How many of those "12,000 gun homicides" were committed by card-carrying NRA members?
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
"Because they took his guns away, obviously, and if caught with another, it's off to the State pen for him.

He gets them back this year, apparently. Let Freedom (AKA Carnage) Ring!"


"Along with "law-abiding" gun owners who give tacit approval to those deaths, by sanctioning the same system that arms the murderers."


So then why didn't this guy just go buy a gun illegally and do what you're accusing him of all your precognizant glory?

Oh... because your theory is full of holes... like your brain.
Legal gun owners giving tacit approval to murder? That's like saying rock climbers give tacit approval to chipping!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
LOL, Chaz, the NRA advocates for an industry that provides guns to everyone, not just NRA members. They are also against universal background checks.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
What are you trying to say? That if not for the NRA, people would all be nice to each other? That's just totally asinine, and even you can see that!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 7, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Fascinating the way your mind works, Chaz.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 7, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Brings "concealed carry" to a whole new level.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2207296827001&odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|featured
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Mar 7, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
http://www.freep.com/article/20130305/FEATURES01/130305010/Gun-violence-annual-cost-12-billion

Gun violence annual cost: $12 billion

USA TODAY


WASHINGTON Gunshot wounds and deaths cost Americans at least $12 billion a year in court proceedings, insurance costs and hospitalizations paid for by government health programs, according to a recent study.

"I think people probably don't understand that as well as they ought to," said Ted Miller, author of a study that found that gunfire deaths and injuries incur a direct societal cost of $32 per gun.

About 20 years ago, Miller calculated the costs to society of shooting injuries and deaths with funding from the National Institute of Justice. He decided to run the numbers again this year after the shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

"I was surprised," Miller said. "Back in 1994, the costs of drunk driving were substantially higher, but it has reversed."

Miller found that total costs per injury had at least doubled or come close for medical care, psychiatric care, court cases, insurance and emergency transport. For example, in 1992, medical care for a fatal shooting averaged $14,500. In 2010, that number reached $28,700.

He found that medical care in 2010 cost $3.2 billion for 105,177 deaths and injuries. In 1992, medical care cost $3 billion for 171,800 deaths and injuries, including 31,674 BB gun shootings, which were not included in the 2010 numbers.

According to government statistics analyzed by Miller for the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, costs to the government in 2010 broke down this way:

$5.4 billion in tax revenue lost because of lost work

$4.7 billion in court costs

$1.4 billion in Medicare and Medicaid costs for firearm injuries and deaths

$180 million in mental health care costs for gunshot victims

$224 million in insurance claims processing

$133 million for responding to shooting injuries

Miller also found that Medicaid covers 28% of hospital admissions for firearm injuries, 37% of hospital days and 42% of medical costs. But in another study, he found that even if people weren't on Medicaid when they were injured, about 8% ultimately enroll in Medicaid after their injuries. "So about half of the medical costs borne by Medicaid may be the best estimate," he said.

A 2012 study by the Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville found that 79% of gunshot victims in greater Nashville were enrolled in Medicaid. That compared with 45% of Medicaid enrollment for all other emergency room patients. African-American patients were three times more likely to be gunshot victims than were white patients, the study showed.

Manish Sethi, a trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University and a researcher for the study, said his team decided to look at the numbers after seeing "a bunch of African-American kids with gunshot wounds" coming through the emergency room. "We have to do something."
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
You defend your president..................with guns
You defend your congressmen................with guns
You defend your governors..................with guns
You defend your celebreties................with guns
You defend your sporting events............with guns
You defend your jewlery stores.............with guns
You defend your banks......................with guns
You defend your courts.....................with guns



You defend your children...............with a sign that says



this is a gun-free zone.




And then call someone with a gun after the fact.










Everyone who is anti-gun has drunk the cool-aid that because it is a societal norm to have a 'security' guard armed in a 'normal' or acceptable location makes that guy more interested in the security of your children than a teacher who knows that child by name.

They think that since someone has a badge (TSA) that the person is suddenly above everyone else, and won't do anything wrong.


The facts are, those people abuse those powers because they are human, just like everyone else without a badge.


This is probably why your founding government wanted the general public to be equal with special powers, so that the special powers weren't accepted as superior humans with rights that no-one else had. The government was supposed to have the organization to protect the liberty of the people, not the power to kill Americans on US soil via video-game from some office.


But that ship has sailed. You just chomping at the bit to set a few more stupid idea ships out of port too?





bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 7, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
You defend your president..................with guns
You defend your congressmen................with guns
You defend your governors..................with guns
You defend your celebreties................with guns
You defend your sporting events............with guns
You defend your jewlery stores.............with guns
You defend your banks......................with guns
You defend your courts.....................with guns



You defend your children...............with a sign that says



this is a gun-free zone.




And then call someone with a gun after the fact.

I think that says it all. Really...that is IT!
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:16am PT
No, this says it all.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 8, 2013 - 12:27am PT
The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun S...
The ENDLESS serpentine lines waiting to get in to the Crossroads Gun Show, Rno NV,2/13 the wait in line just to get in was over 1.5 hours.
Credit: Ron Anderson


actually it looked more like this Gary..

And it wasnt because Obama is going to take guns but rather make many illegal - so they are buying them now and , with current massive govt orders, ammo companies cant keep stores supplied with even minimum stock. People that like to sport shoot every weekend tend to go through LOTS of ammo, that currently is scarce.
new world order2

climber
Mar 8, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

How's that working out for them?

Chicago reaches 500 homicides with fatal shooting
http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-reaches-500-homicides-fatal-shooting-145951769.html
Stefan Jacobsen

Trad climber
Danmark
Mar 8, 2013 - 03:03am PT

You defend your president..................with guns
You defend your congressmen................with guns
You defend your governors..................with guns
You defend your celebreties................with guns
You defend your sporting events............with guns
You defend your jewlery stores.............with guns
You defend your banks......................with guns
You defend your courts.....................with guns



You defend your children...............with a sign that says



this is a gun-free zone.




And then call someone with a gun after the fact.



Puzzling statement to someone like me coming from a country where we don't use guns for all that. Not saying that we don't have gun shootings in Denmark, but they are very rare and they usually involve exchange between gangs like Hells Angels. No thanks for that US cultural export by the way, I much prefer Hollywood.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:29am PT
Stefan - If you guys don't use guns then what exactly do you use for penis extensions in Denmark?

Also, You must forgive Bluey. His following the teachings of christ has a spectacularly unique interpretation. With the emphasis on spectacle. You must admit that you Danes are not particularly spectacular and as we all know, at least on this side of the pond, there is no greater sin than boring.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Just a question to you sport shooters and weekend warriors, do you take the time after shooting a few thousand rounds to gather up the empty shells and recycle the metal?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:58am PT
I reload them.

If you are rich enough to leave your brass, someone else will consider it a gift.


Puzzling statement to someone like me coming from a country where we don't use guns for all that. Not saying that we don't have gun shootings in Denmark, but they are very rare and they usually involve exchange between gangs like Hells Angels.

Same thing here. The gun death rate for Caucasian non Hispanics is about the same as Denmark.

Criminal gangs are the big drivers of gunplay,

just a lot more of them here.
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