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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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George Washington wasn't able to post those thoughts on an internet forum. The glaciers have receded from the base of El Cap so ice tools are no longer needed for an ascent.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
I have read all of Jefferson's works and I don't recall him every saying that.
Can you provide the source where you got this quote, Ron? thanks
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jan 18, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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Problem solved. We form the National Department of Gun Registry. Our president can appoint a gun control Czar and a few dozen appointed positions that pay 6 figure salaries. This will create hundreds if not thousands of jobs. We can create a gun registry tax to slowly drain the money out of gun owners to fund this. The tax will rapidly need to be increased to pay for the prosecution and detainment of all the offenders that refuse to register their guns. All the new jobs created will cause the government sector of the economy to boom. Also this gun tax will be on a sliding scale based on your income. Many red neck gun owners do not have high incomes. This must be offset by the rich red neck gun owning folks. Also, the economy of southern border towns will boom similar to the MJ towns in Nor Cal.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
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To the great consternation of British authorities concerned about tourism
revenue, a June CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain
“one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world.”
Declared Dan Rather: “This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness …
[but now]
the U.K. has a crime problem … worse than ours.”
They then begin to explain that this increase in violent crime
— “a trend seen wherever strict gun control laws have been implemented”
— is something that British officials have tried to keep
“under wraps” by manipulating the statistics
Is the hedgeworm unhappy about this?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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That video is idiotic Rong.
THE REST OF SOCIETY DECIDED THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO OWN DANGEROUS WEAPONS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO KILL. Now their hearts are broken? They feel sick because their collections were ruined?
So fuking what? Get over it! Nobody cares about their emotional attachments to inanimate objects. How they feel about their penis replacements doesn't change the fact that they live in a DEMOCRATIC society "in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives."
Seriously, if it upsets you THAT much... move. Probably fewer gangs in Mexico than Carson City anyway.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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This is a republic NOT a democracy
The USA and Australia aren't democracies? Ah, you don't know the difference... do you? Try google.
The constitution applies in the context of a well regulated militia, which you and Bubba ain't part of. Furthermore, it is not illegal to own guns in Australia or the USA... there is no mandatory buyback I'm aware of in the USA... and that idiotic video suggest ALL guns were affected in Australia, when in fact it was pump action shotguns and semi-autos.
Regardless, a murder rate of 1.1 in Australia is far better than 3.5 in the USA.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Those sneaky Brits. lying to make the pubic feel good
Headline London Daily Telegraph April 1, 1996, said it all:
“Crime Figures a Sham, Say Police.” The story noted that “pressure to
convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had
resulted in a long list of ruses to ‘massage’ statistics,” and “the
recorded crime level bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime
being committed.”
Example, where a series of homes were burgled, they were regularly
recorded as one crime. If a burglar hit 15 or 20 flats, only one crime was
added to the statistics.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
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wow, cool dave###, a totally relevant article from 1996!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
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It is true, I don't use my guns much, yet I am confident I'm at least as accurate as you or anyone else who uses them regularly.
Following that line of thought...
I'll turn in my guns when you turn in your brain.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 18, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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dipshyts dont know there is a HUGE difference between the freekin UK and the USA. geography failures no doubt.
Oh mister Geography tell us again about Burma that hot bed of Middle East insurgency.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 18, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
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stoopid
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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OMG, you are so kewl!
Tell you what, when you turn in that dangerous brain of yours, which you clearly don't use, I will turn in my guns, which I don't use.
Come on, let's make the world a safer place. Whataya say?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 18, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
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As a general rule, I avoid being in close proximity to gun nuts with loaded weapons.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 19, 2013 - 01:22am PT
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Jan 19, 2013 - 02:46am PT
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Executive Orders have been in use since the very beginning of this country. If you don't agree with the policy that's ok, but it doesn't make it wrong and it doesn't make it impeachable.
Ron,from reading this thread you seem adamantly opposed to any change in gun control or legislation. Please look at the pasted link below and comment. Just curious as to what the issue is with what appears to be a sensible approach.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orders_and_legislation_on.html
[quote1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
And these are the legislative ideas -- i.e., the ones the president wants to push through Congress, starting with the more pliable Senate.
Require criminal background checks for all gun sales. (a.k.a. closing the "gun show loophole.")
Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.
Restore the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines.
Protect police by finishing the job of getting rid of armor-piercing bullets.
Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime.
End the freeze on gun violence research.
Make our schools safer with more school resource officers and school counselors, safer climates, and better emergency response plans.
Help ensure that young people get the mental health treatment they need.
Ensure health insurance plans cover mental health benefits.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 19, 2013 - 08:55am PT
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Sounds reasonable and sane to me.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 19, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Being reasonable and sane is no way to fight the NRA. They are anything but reasonable (no form of compromise in their playbook) and their recent pronouncements bring their sanity into question.
Scrutinize their activities to find possible wrongdoing.
Get private detectives to investigate their officials...has to be some weird behavior there.
Demonize them in the press.
Don't hesitate to use any dirty trick that will be effective....in this case the results DO justify the means.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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The Second Amendment to the Constitution:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
 Notice that it mentions "militia" as a necessary to the security of a free state…..
It seems to me that the pro gun people have mined the constitution much like we see the religious mining the bible for their personal nuggets….
To bad they are both in the same boat just picking and choosing what to believe and forgetting the rest of the document.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 19, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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Nobody ever died from a mass bonging.
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