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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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jonnnyyyzzz for the win.
Trundling for the sake of trundling is lame.
Hmmmm, fail.
I usually agree with apogee too.
Trundling for the sake of trundling is awesome as long as no people, structures or kittens are in the way.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I get the thrill of trundling...I've tipped a few myself over the years...it's powerful, amazing, no doubt.
There's just too many people in the mountains these days, and anymore, recreational trundling (?) just seems like a selfish pleasure. (To be sure, this could be said about climbing in general.)
There's sure to be unanimous agreement that when there's a risk to others or their kittens, that trundling isn't a great idea. These days, though, it's pretty hard to know that with absolute certainty, in many/most mountain ranges (in the lower 48, anyway).
Even if no-one is anywhere in the path, however, seeing & hearing rockfall intentionally started by others (followed by gleeful whoops echoing around the canyon) is a bummer. For me, anyway.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
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I got hit in the head in '79 on the Apron when God was trundling
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Wack
climber
Dazevue
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"The ITS, International Trundling Society forbids the use of hydraulic jacks"
I concur, however if nature has provided a handy tree limb there is no restriction upon utilizing it. One of the best parts of trundling is the smell of freshly crushed rock powder in the air.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I'm semi retired from trundling, but got invited out to a pre-Beacon open. Over the winter, a storm had ripped out a large chuck of rock and left a bunch of loose stuff right over the 2 more popular routes in the area. With Joseph as the organizer/rope partner, we rapped down and got some loose stuff off that was very satisfying.
He had connected with the rangers AND most importantly the Railroad folks who controlled the tracks directly below. With agencies approval, tapped off but already closed trails and ground spotters a couple of us teamed up and got it done. It was so clean when we left that we were wisk brooming it.
I do think of Pete Absolon on occasion who was killed by an errant trundle. Trundling is serious business. But maybe I just grew up a bit and got old and serious.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Over 100000lbs I don't think I'll ever top this trundle.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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I almost killed somebody once... you can never be too sure who or what is going to be on the receiving end.
The Head of Nols was killed by a Trundle a few years ago.
But I sure get the rush of speeding up nature.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Is trundling Illegal in Yosemite?
I know there is a fine for "aerial delivery", but what about destruction of nature?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Biggest trundle I ever saw was at my expense when some fukwads trundled
TWO/2 FULL-SIZED SUB-ZERO'S from the Grey Bands while we were on
the third pitch of the Nose. I heard a weak shout from above and looked up
to see them floating through the air with the greatest of ease and, to wit,
headed straight for us. They hit the upper part of the lower Nose and
exploded into microwave-sized pieces, the built-in types not the cheesy
countertop models, which produce that deeply reverential sucking sound
when they go by your head a few inches away. To put it mildly, we were
not amused.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I use this in a presentation on slope stability for non-technical folks.
Like Werner says, trundling is bad. But it feels so good.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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sure there's a visceral, primal thrill to trundling. I did my share of it in the Wasatch as a kid. I've sometimes wondered why we find it so appealing, almost orgasmic. What is it in our DNA that gets us so excited?
However, like sex, you don't do it just anywhere, anytime you want, and you want to be sure it's going to be safe. It can have big consequences. When you're mature you actually stop and think about the consequences before taking the plunge.
I do think of Pete Absolon on occasion who was killed by an errant trundle. Trundling is serious business Not amusing at all. And if I recall correctly, the trundlers were brought to justice.
A member of my climbing party accidentally knocked a bathtub sized boulder off the roadcut just below Reeds' a couple of years ago. Bounced and rolled right into the middle of 120 downhill lane. Very Very lucky for all concerned there was no car/motorcycle/bicycle going past at that moment. It took three of us to push it off to the side of the road.
Years ago we were just finishing the first pitch of Wash Col South Face when a number of boulders came down. We "ducked" up against the wall as they bounced over our heads. A few minutes later some Brit climbers came down on rappel. "Right oh, it's safe up there now". They'd trundled the rocks. If we'd been a few feet lower down, on the pitch, we'd have been hit.
(LAUGHING)
DosXX had similar thoughts.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Trundling as sexual metaphor?
Never thought of it that way.
I'll get back to you on that.
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MisterE
Social climber
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And here I always thought it was a Publius Syrus...or was it Mick Jagger? reference.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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It's only rock n roll and I like it, despite the perversity. I also liked the tree explosion; and it was such a close shot on the tree at the end of the run-out, too! Have a metaphorical cigar, anyway...
Werner has a point: the mass death of beings whose time has come, regardless of their own aspirations, because we are here to have fun!
Personally, I don't indulge and the only time this trundling took place with premeditation and my willing help was at the dispersal of Bill Bonebrake's remains, which I have related. However, I don't think I spoke of the salvos of rock that accompanied BB's remains off the top of Third Pillar on Mt. Dana. Very llittle to hurt down at the base, but it was in memoriam, not haphazard or gratuitous.
We all hear the little-boy giggles on the tapes, the excitement of the moment and the aspect of "we really shouldn't" that is common to trundle footage. But we are in the natural world as trundlers, acting as nature's agents of erosion (brilliant phrasing, there--you must be a lawyer!), as the agents of MOTHER, not UNCLE.
Trundling is part of our psyche as ape/man and it is also an ancient form of defending terrain. It's not safe, though, and do it at your own risk (you might even wear a brain condom).
There is a lot to be said for or against trundling, but at least it is out of the closet, like sport climbing.
It is notable that the two Norski videos are both of trundles resulting from methods not approved by the ITS, the rock-solid authority on the sport. Is it not the norm to start the trundle with just one big heavy boulder and seeing what it can accomplish before it rests?
If you feel good about trundling, fine. If you feel bad, don't. Remember that as an American, you have a right to a double standard. Hang up your conscience and have safe fun!
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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guido:
The ITS, International Trundling Society forbids the use of hydraulic jacks. On a side note, trundling is being considered as a alternate in the next Olympics to sport climbing. Or in spite of?
Actually Cap'n...
It is coming up in the next meeting of the ITS Steering committee as how to clearly define 'Sport' and 'Trad' trundling techniques. Either way is is clear that there is unanimous support for the limited and ethical use of mechanical (including hydraulic) prying and levering methods.
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neverwas
Mountain climber
ak
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Mar 12, 2016 - 12:15am PT
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Doug B. enjoying some trundling on a nunatak on the approach to the Thorn.
On a more somber note, I recall a scene where the ashes of one of two young ex-trundlers was released atop Whitehorse Ledge. They had been working to get a large block going somewhere in the Quincy quarries and went with it.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Mar 12, 2016 - 07:20am PT
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Buster Keaton's pretty good!
Wasting time waiting to see if it's going to pour today....... remembered this natural trundle:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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