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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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The ITS, International Trundling Society forbids the use of hydraulic jacks. On a side note, trundling is being considered as a alternate in the next Olympics to sport climbing. Or in spite of?
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MisterE
Social climber
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It's trundelicious!
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Use of jack.....invalid trundle.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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runnout barely visible, no sound effects, no tree tops bending over violently =weak trundle
getting excited about weakness=weak
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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I agree!
That trundle is:
just wrong- A Pussy trundle with a jack!
1970 Trundle.
I'm retired from trundling now.
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tiki-jer
Trad climber
fresno/clovis
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I secretly trundled in the Drakensberg!
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SicMic
climber
two miles from Eldorado
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Formerly at the base of Genesis.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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That last one is SWEET!
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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now that is a Trundle.
great runout, tree gets hit violently, no break up, and more hang time than Sting on viagra,
watch out for that viagra, my ol lady chipped another tooth last night, then after we get back from the dentist, we walk in on the grandparents having oral with no teeth, wtf, over? jus sayin...your gonna die! ,whats the score here, who's next? are we ready for the desert?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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OP video... weak
The biggest trundle I ever witnessed was in Potrero Chico this last Jan. A guy putting up the third pitch of a FA pushed a refrigerator-sized block off and not only could you see and hear it from 1/4 mile away... we watched it break into two giant frisbees of doom that rolled down hill for like a mile - crashing right over the climbers trail and nearly landing in the road at the bottom of the canyon. THAT was a trundle.
Trying to find my photo now.
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moacman
Trad climber
Montana
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They just got rid of the best boulder problem on the east coast....ooops..
Stevo
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Scrubber
climber
Straight outta Squampton
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I resubmit my trundle from last summer as a decent contender. Cheeseball soundtrack and all. 15 feet tall, 6 feet wide at the waist, and 6 inches to a foot thick...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I'm a secret agent. An agent of erosion.
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WBraun
climber
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One should not trundle.
All the living entities that get hit will hurt and cry.
America is so violent .......
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moacman
Trad climber
Montana
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JONNYYZZZ IS THE TRUNDLE OF ALL TRUNDLES.............
Stevo
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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no need to trundle, just hang out on the apron for a while,
stay in a camp curry mafia tent cabin, they can get you right next to the action,
plus, you can see chicks undress at night,
or, if your not lucky, an alfred hitchock profile will appear on the tent wall next to yours,
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blacksun
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, California
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My friends trundled a boulder directly through a house. Alas I was not there on that fateful day for better or for worse. Luckily, the homeowner was not there either. They were on vacation. If they had been there, the boulder would have interrupted their regular Sunday afternoon TV couch lounging, having smashed through the entire living room. The rock was about the size of a VW bug, knocked through two walls and moved the house off it's foundation.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Trundling for the sake of trundling is lame.
(I don't care if the Sierra Clubbers used to do it for fun.)
Trundling for the purposes of route development is close to lame.
Trundling something that has recently become a hazard in an already developed, well-used area is probably a good idea (if it's done carefully).
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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jonnnyyyzzz for the win.
Trundling for the sake of trundling is lame.
Hmmmm, fail.
I usually agree with apogee too.
Trundling for the sake of trundling is awesome as long as no people, structures or kittens are in the way.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I get the thrill of trundling...I've tipped a few myself over the years...it's powerful, amazing, no doubt.
There's just too many people in the mountains these days, and anymore, recreational trundling (?) just seems like a selfish pleasure. (To be sure, this could be said about climbing in general.)
There's sure to be unanimous agreement that when there's a risk to others or their kittens, that trundling isn't a great idea. These days, though, it's pretty hard to know that with absolute certainty, in many/most mountain ranges (in the lower 48, anyway).
Even if no-one is anywhere in the path, however, seeing & hearing rockfall intentionally started by others (followed by gleeful whoops echoing around the canyon) is a bummer. For me, anyway.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
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I got hit in the head in '79 on the Apron when God was trundling
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Wack
climber
Dazevue
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"The ITS, International Trundling Society forbids the use of hydraulic jacks"
I concur, however if nature has provided a handy tree limb there is no restriction upon utilizing it. One of the best parts of trundling is the smell of freshly crushed rock powder in the air.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I'm semi retired from trundling, but got invited out to a pre-Beacon open. Over the winter, a storm had ripped out a large chuck of rock and left a bunch of loose stuff right over the 2 more popular routes in the area. With Joseph as the organizer/rope partner, we rapped down and got some loose stuff off that was very satisfying.
He had connected with the rangers AND most importantly the Railroad folks who controlled the tracks directly below. With agencies approval, tapped off but already closed trails and ground spotters a couple of us teamed up and got it done. It was so clean when we left that we were wisk brooming it.
I do think of Pete Absolon on occasion who was killed by an errant trundle. Trundling is serious business. But maybe I just grew up a bit and got old and serious.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Over 100000lbs I don't think I'll ever top this trundle.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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I almost killed somebody once... you can never be too sure who or what is going to be on the receiving end.
The Head of Nols was killed by a Trundle a few years ago.
But I sure get the rush of speeding up nature.
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Adamame
climber
Santa Cruz
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Is trundling Illegal in Yosemite?
I know there is a fine for "aerial delivery", but what about destruction of nature?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Biggest trundle I ever saw was at my expense when some fukwads trundled
TWO/2 FULL-SIZED SUB-ZERO'S from the Grey Bands while we were on
the third pitch of the Nose. I heard a weak shout from above and looked up
to see them floating through the air with the greatest of ease and, to wit,
headed straight for us. They hit the upper part of the lower Nose and
exploded into microwave-sized pieces, the built-in types not the cheesy
countertop models, which produce that deeply reverential sucking sound
when they go by your head a few inches away. To put it mildly, we were
not amused.
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Dos XX
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I use this in a presentation on slope stability for non-technical folks.
Like Werner says, trundling is bad. But it feels so good.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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sure there's a visceral, primal thrill to trundling. I did my share of it in the Wasatch as a kid. I've sometimes wondered why we find it so appealing, almost orgasmic. What is it in our DNA that gets us so excited?
However, like sex, you don't do it just anywhere, anytime you want, and you want to be sure it's going to be safe. It can have big consequences. When you're mature you actually stop and think about the consequences before taking the plunge.
I do think of Pete Absolon on occasion who was killed by an errant trundle. Trundling is serious business Not amusing at all. And if I recall correctly, the trundlers were brought to justice.
A member of my climbing party accidentally knocked a bathtub sized boulder off the roadcut just below Reeds' a couple of years ago. Bounced and rolled right into the middle of 120 downhill lane. Very Very lucky for all concerned there was no car/motorcycle/bicycle going past at that moment. It took three of us to push it off to the side of the road.
Years ago we were just finishing the first pitch of Wash Col South Face when a number of boulders came down. We "ducked" up against the wall as they bounced over our heads. A few minutes later some Brit climbers came down on rappel. "Right oh, it's safe up there now". They'd trundled the rocks. If we'd been a few feet lower down, on the pitch, we'd have been hit.
(LAUGHING)
DosXX had similar thoughts.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Trundling as sexual metaphor?
Never thought of it that way.
I'll get back to you on that.
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MisterE
Social climber
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And here I always thought it was a Publius Syrus...or was it Mick Jagger? reference.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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It's only rock n roll and I like it, despite the perversity. I also liked the tree explosion; and it was such a close shot on the tree at the end of the run-out, too! Have a metaphorical cigar, anyway...
Werner has a point: the mass death of beings whose time has come, regardless of their own aspirations, because we are here to have fun!
Personally, I don't indulge and the only time this trundling took place with premeditation and my willing help was at the dispersal of Bill Bonebrake's remains, which I have related. However, I don't think I spoke of the salvos of rock that accompanied BB's remains off the top of Third Pillar on Mt. Dana. Very llittle to hurt down at the base, but it was in memoriam, not haphazard or gratuitous.
We all hear the little-boy giggles on the tapes, the excitement of the moment and the aspect of "we really shouldn't" that is common to trundle footage. But we are in the natural world as trundlers, acting as nature's agents of erosion (brilliant phrasing, there--you must be a lawyer!), as the agents of MOTHER, not UNCLE.
Trundling is part of our psyche as ape/man and it is also an ancient form of defending terrain. It's not safe, though, and do it at your own risk (you might even wear a brain condom).
There is a lot to be said for or against trundling, but at least it is out of the closet, like sport climbing.
It is notable that the two Norski videos are both of trundles resulting from methods not approved by the ITS, the rock-solid authority on the sport. Is it not the norm to start the trundle with just one big heavy boulder and seeing what it can accomplish before it rests?
If you feel good about trundling, fine. If you feel bad, don't. Remember that as an American, you have a right to a double standard. Hang up your conscience and have safe fun!
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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guido:
The ITS, International Trundling Society forbids the use of hydraulic jacks. On a side note, trundling is being considered as a alternate in the next Olympics to sport climbing. Or in spite of?
Actually Cap'n...
It is coming up in the next meeting of the ITS Steering committee as how to clearly define 'Sport' and 'Trad' trundling techniques. Either way is is clear that there is unanimous support for the limited and ethical use of mechanical (including hydraulic) prying and levering methods.
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neverwas
Mountain climber
ak
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Mar 12, 2016 - 12:15am PT
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Doug B. enjoying some trundling on a nunatak on the approach to the Thorn.
On a more somber note, I recall a scene where the ashes of one of two young ex-trundlers was released atop Whitehorse Ledge. They had been working to get a large block going somewhere in the Quincy quarries and went with it.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Mar 12, 2016 - 07:20am PT
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Buster Keaton's pretty good!
Wasting time waiting to see if it's going to pour today....... remembered this natural trundle:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
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You don't know Trundling ! ! ?
till you have spent time with the Master................I don't need to tell you who that is...........................? ? ........do I ? ?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Maybe the trundlers should start putting up little plaques on the rock or writing on nearby flakes to mark the occasion where they trundled.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Geez DMT, that was my anchor.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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I was on a fire up in the Salmon River country. We saw a huge snag on top of a steep burned out area and saw the possibility. We cruised over, fired up a saw and felled the snag downhill... Most of the branches smashed off when it hit, turning the trunk into a streamlined missle. The tree immediately got a a head of speed and started leaving a swath of destruction. Terrified, we watched it fly off a cliff and continue bouncing, sliding and jumping all the way to the river, some 1500-2000 feet below us. Luckily no other firefighters or rafters were in its path. Pretty much cured me of trundling!
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
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bad climber ........ really cool vid. ........ it was fun to watch .....the two small ones ..... but I saw right away the flake moving under ? and boom there it went ......................
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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BAd, you know that big blubber baby?
THERE'S NO CRYING IN TRUNDLING, BRAJ!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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The large block, bottom center, has now been removed. It had a one eyed scowling face,
and hung above one's head while belaying. The top of the this block was hit by lightening,
The resulting burn caused the soil to now allow for seepage.
The seepage then built up behind the block, causing,that very dark stain.
If it had been left the freeze/thaw cycle would have Made it worse,
it had that hollow, loose Sound and moved a bit. A preemptive trundle.
It needed the Navy mans' full strength and half a tree as a pry-bar To send it.
After the fact
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Dec 16, 2018 - 04:03pm PT
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From today - HUGE flake! 15' tall, 4' wide and about 4" thick. Cut loose with a couple tugs from a flat-bar. 8:30 AM, 29 degrees:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Before:
I felt like that guy in the alpine trundle - you can see my hand is shaking in the video.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 16, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
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I love the smell of a trundle
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Dec 16, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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Whoa. Spooky, Aerique. Play safe.
BAd
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 16, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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Trundling lost most of its allure for me after I almost lost a leg to an accidental trundle.
The sound produces a real knee jerk response. Still have nightmares decades later.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:05pm PT
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I asked this question earlier, but now that we have folks talking about the "smell" produced during trundling.
So what the hell produces that odor??? Ozone??
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
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Rock, powdered rock.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 16, 2018 - 09:28pm PT
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Winemaker! Thank you for your answer on what produces that strange sharp odor some here have mentioned that is associated with trundling.
Rock, powdered rock.
Funny. I didn't smell anything at this Sherpa rock crushing quarry in Nepal.
Seriously though, I'm hoping for a scientist to tell me what process produces what I suspect is an ozone odor, although it could well be from crushed lichen.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 17, 2018 - 03:28pm PT
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I've assumed that acrid smell of fresh smashed rock was ozone from sparks generated either by friction, or by static electricity. It could be released chemicals, but it doesn't seem specific to any rock type.
TE
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