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Uncle Martin

climber
Jun 20, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
I have actually found this interesting, somewhat.

Shullys rig that is.





I have made a two hour research of the jeep history of models, and NOWHERE do I find a Jeep pickup being actually listed as a Cherokee. Oh, there are those who writing general information articles call it a "Cherokee Comanche", but only as an admission and homage to the Comanche sharing parts from the front bumper to behind the drivers seat with the Cherokee, but nowhere does the manufacturing timeline ever show a "pickup" style Cherokee that was not a one off, That is, especially manufactured, as the two row seating produced when you chop a Cherokee in half and weld a pickup bed on the back.

As far as I can imagine, Shullys pickup model is most likely a re-manufactured vehicle, that got the dog house off a Cherokee after a crash that left it almost totaled. The fit would be perfect as the two machines shared the front end completely.



Most people don't know this, but while most states require a vehicle listed as "totaled" to be marked on the title some way as "remanufactured" or some other wording that attempts to protect the consumer from buying cars that have been extensively rebuilt, some states do not make this requirement. Locally for us westerners, the most significant state is Nevada.

In Nevada you can actually take two identical vehicles, both totalled completely, cut them in half and weld the remaining good halves back together, and then take whichever title you feel like and claim the car is the same one as was originally titled. Fresh title is issued from the state of Nevada same as any other so no evidence remains (officially).



Often a "Carfax" will show a car as being an easterner's car, then it is sold to someone in Nevada, where after repairs, its sold with a Nevada title to someone who takes it out of state and sells it somewhere else, cleaning up the suspect Nevada Title.





I suspect your pickup with the Cherokee Nameplate is one of these. A crashed frame that has had (at the least) matching-used fenders put on it off a wrecked Cherokee.



References: Wiki -- Jeep Cherokee SJ
-- Jeep Cherokee XJ
-- Jeep Cherokee KJ
-- Jeep Cherokee
-- Jeep Comanche MJ



Here (below) is the Wiki Timeline of all jeep products, it clearly shows a very short timeline for Jeep Comanche, and nothing called a "Cherokee MJ" (which is the model of the Pickup framed model with the necessary suspension changes to produce a pickup.)

Cherokee vs Comanche production years
Cherokee vs Comanche production years
Credit: Uncle Martin


Jeep Comanche

The Jeep Comanche (designated MJ) is a pickup truck version of the Cherokee compact SUV that was produced from 1985 (and was marketed as a 1986 model year[2]) to 1992. Rear wheel (RWD) and four-wheel drive (4WD) models were available, as well as two cargo box lengths of six-feet (1.83 metres) or seven-feet (2.13 metres).





Sorry, but after considerable research and fact checking, I must still stand by my "spew". You don't have a Cherokee, you got a Comanche. Not everything is exactly what it seems from the writing on the box. Sorry if somebody told you different...

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Hey, I got a GREAT deal on a Jagwar XKE I can make you ... and a Rolux watch, too.


Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 21, 2012 - 10:01am PT
Uhhh...."thread drift?"

I may not be able to make the Greet and Meet after all, due to very dry and soon-to-be-hot weather; I need to get on with my haying operation.

This isn't a firm cancellation, but a thought that's been on my mind.
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Jun 21, 2012 - 10:06am PT


Rodger...

just sent you an email via ST...

Uncle Martin

climber
Jun 21, 2012 - 10:34am PT
DUDER!

Say its not so!

You are one of the few I was hoping to meet. Hear your voice, see the shell you are trapped in.

But you do what you can after the work is done. Agriculture and husbandry require dedication beyond most peoples imagination.


Many years ago (McCarthy era) my father-in-law was subpoenaed by the US Congress to testify on the state of Communism in Idaho. He flat refused, stating that he didn't have time for such bullsh#t, that he had crops that needed tending and harvest, and that if Congress didn't send him workers to do the work in his stead, he wouldn't come.

A story sworn to be true by my wife.


Hope you can make it, but "Dayamn" if you can't.





As far as thread drift, perhaps Skully can send me his VIN and we can look up just exactly what he's got. Hard to argue with the VIN.

(Its interjection, not drift, and it provided a bump.)
Silver

Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
Jun 21, 2012 - 10:49am PT
Anyone who knows anything about making Hay knows you got to make Hay when the time is right.

My journey across Idaho last week was interesting looks like the first cut was being done, on the ground and being bailed from Twin Falls going east.

man I wish I could go to COR for this event.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
It was "mildly breezy" Monday & Tuesday nights at The City, and I shivered in the shade whenever it overtook me on Tuesday.

Mark, one of my old climbing buddies who hasn't climbed in years, went to The City with Heidi and me, and I warmed him up on Monday, then Donini kindly put the rope up on some harder routes on Tuesday for us.


Mark gamely tried everything, as did Heidi.

Mark belaying Heidi on Bikini Candy 5.8
Mark belaying Heidi on Bikini Candy 5.8
Credit: Fritz
Heidi on the pleasant part of Bikini Candy.
Heidi on the pleasant part of Bikini Candy.
Credit: Fritz

Angela nearing the top of Bikini Candy.  She made it all the way to th...
Angela nearing the top of Bikini Candy. She made it all the way to the top, and we didn't.
Credit: Fritz

Wednesday morning, Mark, Heidi, and I went back to pleasant 5.6 & 5.7 climbing, but Mark was getting a little played out. I think he is ready to replace his vintage 1978 RR Verappes too.

Fritz leading "pleasant & warm" 5.6.
Fritz leading "pleasant & warm" 5.6.
Credit: Fritz

It was great to meet other friends of Donini’s that post on ST, and socialize with them.

Ionlyski (Arne) from Kalispel, his wonderful wife April, and their two talented, polite, & hot-climbing teenagers were fun to see climbing and pleasant to talk with.

TWP from Mancos is a hoot to be around, and a good climber too.

Donini’s classy & beautiful wife Angela had driven up for the event along with his Ouray friend Roger. Both are great people and very good climbers.
Through the dust & campfire smoke.  Back row: Fritz, Arne, TWP, Mark. ...
Through the dust & campfire smoke. Back row: Fritz, Arne, TWP, Mark.
Front row: Heidi, Rodger, Donini, Angela. (April took the photo and said: "look like you are having fun!)
Credit: Fritz

The people made up for the nasty evening wind & chill!





Crimpergirl! I'm sure that takes care of the cold weather. 82 F. there today.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
I have spent much of the last two weeks at City of Rocks, climbing with Donini, Heidi, and other friends.

This weekend! I'll see what I can do for whitewater-training with my beginning IK (inflatable-kayak) students. One of them is the permit holder for our late July Middle Fork Salmon trip.

As I have learned: it is self-defeating to kill or injure the permit-holder before the river-trip.



Monday: I'm back to City of Rocks to hopefully meet up and climb with Locker, his friends, and Brokedown.

Fritz & Heidi June 19 at City of Rocks party.
Fritz & Heidi June 19 at City of Rocks party.
Credit: Fritz

Most important is the: July 3rd City of Rocks: Meet & Greet for Brassnuts, Crimpergirl, Pente, and other wonderful people.




If you want to attend!


Please reply, or private message me through ST for the City of Rocks July 3rd Meet & Greet!

Fritz
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jun 24, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
Fritz! Seth & friends from Reno are still up at the Twin Sisters sites for a few more days. I just got home from there(scouting?) Had a Grand Ole time hangin' & climbin' with them.
I'll see ya'll evening of the Third.
Woot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jun 24, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
Is there internet service in Almo or somewhere near? Cell service? Have not one, but two (boo) conference calls I need to do while there.

Any temperature is going to be like a cold front for those in Boulder these days. I'm in the Houston area enjoying some cooler weather. Poor BN is stuck in the Boulder Sahara.

See you soon!
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jun 24, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
Houston is cooler than we are right now? That just aint right.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
Skully: I'll see if I can find Seth & friends. Brokedown & I have a "warm-up" spot near Twin Sisters.

Crimpergirl! Yes to cell and internet in Almo, but not at COR. Verizon & ATT for sure in Almo.

The State Park HQ now works with a internet provider to give access to 20 minutes of free wireless internet daily and reasonable rates beyond that.

The Magnet

climber
Jun 24, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
When did they reopen Twin Sisters?

I last climbed the Sisters like 15 years plus ago. My second or third time. Last time I remember they were off limits, "banned".


Something stupid about polluting the view-shed with climbers. But once they closed it, I followed the closure.


One of the nicer routes in the COR, and the actual route is on the opposite side of the view-shed...

When did it get reopened? Or did it?

You guys hitting the register (Camp Rock) next, down at the entrance?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jun 24, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
Go away now, "Magnet"... You did this to yourself.


On another note, Rock city pizza store(!) seems to have the best signal to The World, wireless, anyway.
Dig it Ray....You could meet & climb with Jebus H Bomz. A real guy, that climbs rocks(!).
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 24, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
hey there say, fritz, and all... just stopped in to see how all this is going...

:)


cheering you onward, cimpergirl and brassnuts, and all...

hey there to you, skully/capt. wow, say, neat you had a great time on
your latest adventure, :)


best wishes to rodger, not only as to the hay, but that fire going on, :O

have a great time, all...
:)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jun 25, 2012 - 06:13am PT
Sweet! Thanks for the info. Wish I didn't have to work, but such is the case.
Grippa

Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jun 25, 2012 - 06:22am PT
Going up this weekend! Hopefully I can get some pics up after the trip, and maybe if I'm lucky meet the legend Donini.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jun 25, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
When did they reopen Twin Sisters?

I think the Twin Sisters area, with camping, has always been open excepting the main, namesake formations, the Twin Sisters themselves. There's a gob of climbing (and some nice campsites) out there.

Uhhh...I mean, yeah, its closed, its closed! Ha ha.
Uncle Martin

Social climber
Well, it ain't Mars
Jun 25, 2012 - 04:04pm PT
Sure, there's camping, and that was historically one of the only places in the entire area that actually had a pit toilet. And it was possible that they had reopened the Twin Sisters, which is a FINE multipitch climb and one of the longest in the area, outside of Chinamans head (Castle Rock) (Is that right? Been a long time)

But the last I had heard, the prohibition was still on, although I never really understood why. So when I read them talking about climbing there, I naturally assumed they hadn't known about the closure. We used to honor it as the local jefe's where always pretty decent about allowing us what we wanted to do, so we gave back equal respect. Course, if it hadn't been for the park becoming a reserve it never would have been closed, so a lot of us were kinda tee'd off about the original closure.

But its been a lot of years since I spent more than a day or two a year there, so who knows?

Camping there gets you out of the main area which is nice. But I don't usually stay in the park any more.



Its a shame, as I said, its a FINE climb with GREAT views. Its nice knowing you ain't planning to try and beat the prohibition, every year a few do, or at least try and it kinda leaves a bad taste as most of the rest of the park is open except what is still private land... like the walkoff on Elephant rock? I think that one is still technically an illegal walkoff, though I don't think the rancher tries to enforce it.


Been a long time, and boundaries and prohibitions change. Asking the Staff is polite when you see them wandering about.
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Jun 25, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
The Elephant Rock walk off is OK nowadays.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Jun 25, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
Gallstone is on, too. As is Checkered Demon. Ditto the climbs to the left of Just Say No on Elephant (along with the aforementioned walk off).

As far as Twin Sisters...only the main formations are closed (the two Twins).

Some light reading:

http://www.nps.gov/ciro/parkmgmt/upload/Twin-Sisters-Administrative-History-2011-99.pdf

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