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jghedge

climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 02:05am PT
"She's lucky she missed her target."

Hahaha, wrong, according to the FL prosecutor. She'd have been charged with manslaughter at most, and if convicted (doubtful), probably gotten off with time served, instead of the 20 year sentence she actually got. Again, according to the FL prosecutor.

Must hurt to have an actual FL prosecutor, quoted in the right-wing article linked to previously, prove you wrong. Try emailing him with your half-witted speculation, and get back to us.


Does your denial make it less painful? Always wondered how that works for you guys.


GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 24, 2013 - 03:46am PT
Quoted from this link:

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-05-21/story/experts-floridas-10-20-life-empowers-prosecutors-handcuffs-judges-juries


"The "10-20-Life" statutes exclude manslaughter from any minimum sentencing requirements, Assistant State Attorney Mark Caliel confirmed. That means if Alexander had actually killed her husband or one of his sons and been found guilty of manslaughter, she could have instead gotten as little as time served. Caliel said manslaughter should be added into the statutes."

"Florida Coastal School of Law Professor Rod Sullivan said the statutes were intended to apply to a rash of repeat violent offenders that the state faced when the laws were constructed. His biggest criticisms are that they don't take into account those who have no previous criminal records or those who possessed a gun but did not actually use it to commit the crime"

I think it would be a stretch to read anything more into these statements than if this Women had killed one of the Individuals present, and if she had been charged and convicted of Manslaughter, she could be sentenced to time served. A dramatic example of the possible inequality that the current laws could allow. It will be up to Florida to decide to modify these laws in the best interest of It's citizens.






HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Chaz stated
Warning shots are never called for, and will always get you in trouble.

It's a felony every time, no matter what.


I don't know why we have to talk in circles on this. We all said the exact same sh#t like 20 pages ago. You guys keep arguing the letter of the law, which may be exactly correct, but you only argue the letter of the law because it allows you to avoid having to explain exactly how INSANELY F*#KING UNJUST the outcomes in these two cases are. There is literally no logical way you can defend Zimmerman walking away as being a just outcome and not ALSO BE OUTRAGED that that woman was sentenced for 20 years. But maybe assuming you guys are using logic is where I'm going wrong.

Chaz continued
Florida law would still have had her serve a longer sentence had her bullets actually have hit her old man, no matter the state-specific legal nomenclature.

Again, not supported by the outcome of the Zimmerman case. If anything, the woman should have had a stronger case for self defense considering the abusiveness of the intruder in her own home. I don't know why all the zealous gun nut "nobody can count on the police I defend my OWN property and I'll shoot anyone who tries to take my stuff" people in this thread aren't all over this one.

Women need AR-15's to defend themselves from their abusive husbands! But only if they actually shoot them! Women who waste bullets shooting ceilings should go to jail!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 24, 2013 - 08:48am PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
bluering said
Asked for descrip and they called him young male Latino, they must have profiled.

bluering doesn't "get" profiling. Shocker.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 24, 2013 - 08:55am PT
Hey Ron, you don't have to "back down" to be upfront.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:08am PT
Mon now I deserve bonus points for that song--so apropos for the thread and the subject eh!?







Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down.


No one immune - "there aint no no easy way out"..
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:17am PT
Ron said
Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down.

This is an amazing couple of sentences.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:44am PT
hey that petty song is deep man...
jghedge

climber
Jul 25, 2013 - 12:30pm PT


"Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down."


http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand

http://aattp.org/multiple-scientific-studies-confirm-extreme-conservatism-linked-to-racism-and-low-i-q/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/juror-b29-maddy-says-zimmerman-got-away-with-murder/2013/07/25/a636ec2a-f55a-11e2-aa2e-4088616498b4_story.html


Two weeks after George Zimmerman was acquitted in the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, the only person on the jury who is a member of an ethnic minority said in an ABC News interview that Zimmerman “got away with murder.’

Juror B29, identified only by her first name Maddy, sat down with ABC’s Robin Roberts, to discuss the trial for “Good Morning America.” As the first juror to show her face on camera, Maddy expressed both conviction and regret.

‘Justice for Trayvon’ rallies across the U.S.: Protesters chant and march, calling for a federal investigation and changes to “stand your ground” statutes after the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida.

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,” Maddy said of Zimmerman.

A nursing assistant and mother of eight children, Maddy, 36, who is Puerto Rican, said she believed she owed Trayvon Martin’s parents an apology because she felt “like I let them down.”

She also said that the case shouldn’t have gone to trial and that it was “a publicity stunt.” Despite this, she said the decision weighed heavily on her.

“It’s hard for me to sleep; it’s hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin’s death. And as I carry him on my back, I’m hurting as much [as] Trayvon’s Martin’s mother because there’s no way that any mother should feel that pain,” she said.


Or, as The Onion put it:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/zimmerman-found-not-guilty-technically-but-cmon,33124/

In Our Defense, These Were Some Pretty F*#ked-Up Laws And We Were Ordered To Deliberate In Accordance With Them
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 26, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
No, Slate (that bastion of right wing reporting) has a pretty good expose of the ABC hack job referenced above.
But clearly the juror was troubled by Zimm's behavior; pretty much in line with the more astute ST commentators--Zimm's behavior was likely morally troubling, but not legally actionable. (I say "likely" b/c we don't really know what happened.)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror_b29_is_being_framed.html
Did George Zimmerman Get Away With Murder?
The media are reporting that a juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder. That’s not true.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Why was Trayvon Martin yelling "get off me"? Was Zimmerman illegally attempting to restrain him, when Trayvon elbowed George in the face and he fell down?

Why no blood coming from Zimmerman's nostrils (Sanford police cell phone photo), but rather drops descending from the tip of his nose?



HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 26, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
The Slate article seems a bit obtuse:

You have to watch her, not just read her words, to pick up her meaning. As she struggles to answer, she looks as though she’s trying to reconcile the sentiment that’s been quoted to her—that Zimmerman “got away with murder”—with her own perspective. So she repeats the quote and adds words of her own, to convey what she thinks: that there’s a justice higher than the law, which Zimmerman will have to face. She thinks he’s morally culpable, not legally guilty.

We know she thinks he's morally culpable, not legally guilty...that's why they acquitted him! She's frustrated that the law is not capable of holding him to account for his moral failings. The sound bite might not be as legitimately pithy as the media would like but the sentiment is.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 28, 2013 - 07:53am PT
"Many Blacks in the country dislike those that bring them down,, just like my Mexican friends not liking the illegals that bring their race down. And just like the white trash brings my neighborhoods down."

It's uncomfortable for lilly-white liberals to confront this fact.

All black, white, asian, and latino people I CHOOSE to hang with are pretty cool. I have profiled them, it's human nature. Not based on skin color, but the quality of their character.

I get along better with latinos than I do with most whites. Vietnamese also. And Filipinos.

Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 28, 2013 - 07:56am PT
"Japs"? Awesome site we have here.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 28, 2013 - 09:16am PT
Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.

Yes. Unlike you. You only hate the haters...
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:06am PT
bluering posted
It's uncomfortable for lilly-white liberals to confront this fact.

All black, white, asian, and latino people I CHOOSE to hang with are pretty cool. I have profiled them, it's human nature. Not based on skin color, but the quality of their character.

I get along better with latinos than I do with most whites. Vietnamese also. And Filipinos.

Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races.


So you don't judge people on the color of their skin but the content of their character....




....unless they are "Japs" or Chinese (or "lily whites").


The more you guys try to steer around your prejudices with your eyes closed the harder you keep running into them.

jghedge

climber
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:19am PT


"Japs and Chinese are a whole different story. They look down on white people, and all other races."


This would get you banned from most forums - why it's tolerated here is a mystery.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jul 28, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Yay, racism!

Alive and well here on ST.

No problem here. Steve Pratico isn't racist. Wait, I was wrong, Steve Pratico IS a racist douchebag. Good luck with living your life as a racist. Lets see how that works out for you, you loser.
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