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Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
so you are saying that she should have shot her husband
That was her only way out

You know what, that's really f-ed up

Typical Right wing logic, 100% the opposite of everything good and useful to society
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
Dr F writes:

"so you are saying that she should have shot her husband
That was her only way out"


She was already "out". Free and clear. Then she armed herself, and returned to assault her old man.

If she had shot the guy, she'd be in more trouble.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
We've been thru that warning shot thing with you before, Chaz. Even showed you an example of a guy who fired a warning shot and was not charged.

Some people would rather not take a life, even if they can get away with it, odd as it sounds.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
No one is saying she should have left everything behind and run leaving it up to a police department that had let her down repeatedly. The other is saying she should have shot to kill first.


So Chazman if you were to get driven out of your house by a violent repeat offender would you move into the local homeless shelter?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
How would that happen? Me, being driven out of my house?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Hypothetically. You know walk in another's moccasins.
jghedge

climber
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:58pm PT


Hahaha, as if a single one of these gun nut idiots have the slightest idea what happened.

One of the wing nuttiest Governors in the country pardoned her - at which point any argument the gun nuts have to make defending the sentencing becomes "mote".
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 23, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
mute
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
They are already a mote in the moat and need to be mute on their moot point.
There I fixed it for you.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
I'm sorry for posting the offending cartoon Jim
I didn't know you were so easily perturbed by satire
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
F, you f*#ker, I didn't imply that at all !

She ESCAPED FROM HARM then went back to the situation because she wasn't DONE YET !

Call the civil authorities ? (cops) Oh no, that would be logical when pride and emotion compelled her to go back in and start SHOOTING !

Like I said, you Americans will give your life in protection of you Play Station, couch, TV and whatever else offers distraction.

If Marissa was returning to keep her child or any other loved one from harm, that's understandable by everyone.

She was just mad at Hunkly, the guy she thought was hot VS. the dependable boring guy she would have been better off with.

Stupid, basic, human nature.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
Philo,

Her "not being as informed on Florida law " is her own fault. Ignorance of the law is no defense. This is such a piece of crap in comparison to Zimmerman cruising around like Captain America, in defense of all those innocent people...
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Here's a link if you care to spend a couple of minutes educating yourselves with some facts:

http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida

Alexanders discharged her weapon in a manner that would be negligent anywhere in the USA. Her Husband and his 2 children were in the room at the time, she turned down a plea deal and ran afoul of mandatory sentencing law.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Had to load the ole' shotgun today. Police (3 of them) wanted to search my property for a robbery suspect. 3 cops for that?

Asked for descrip and they called him young male Latino, they must have profiled.

Anyway, didn't have to chamber a round today. All's clear.

And one cop actually commented on my climbing wall. "Nice climbing wall you got there".
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
This thread is like syphilis.
The gift that keeps on giving even though you really wish it wouldn't.

True dat^^^
Personally I find this thread is like a bad accident on the side of the highway that makes you wonder how bad the victims are injured.

Oh wait ....was that Zimmerman pulling the WHITE victims out of the car. No doubt he would have let them burn if they were black. Heck he was prolly the guy that ran them off the road.

jghedge

climber
Jul 23, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida

"In Alexander’s case, she might have received a lesser sentence under Florida law if she had killed Gray and been convicted of manslaughter rather than shooting at him and missing."

“The ’10-20-Life’ statutes exclude manslaughter from any minimum sentencing requirements,” a Florida prosecutor told the Florida Times-Union in 2012. “That means if Alexander had actually killed her husband or one of his sons and been found guilty of manslaughter, she could have instead gotten as little as time served,” the Florida paper noted.


Exactly as I stated earlier. Thank you. Notice that it's the prosecutor being quoted here.

The link also explodes TGT's ignorant lie that the sentencing had anything to do with "gun control" laws. It did not - as if there were any with any teeth in the first place. Idiotic.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 23, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
But if she had killed her old man, she would have been exposed to a FIRST DEGREE murder rap, which carries a potential death penalty in Florida.

The time it took her to get the gun and return to the scene of the crime would have constituted "premeditation", which would have fulfilled the component of capital murder in Florida.

She's lucky she missed. She could be on death row.
WBraun

climber
Jul 23, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
This thread is like syphilis.
The gift that keeps on giving even though you really wish it wouldn't.

Best post in the whole thread.
jghedge

climber
Jul 23, 2013 - 10:29pm PT

"But if she had killed her old man, she would have been exposed to a FIRST DEGREE murder rap, which carries a potential death penalty in Florida."

Except, of course, the FL prosecutor with actual knowledge of the case, quoted in the above link, who took the actual circumstances into account, says it'd have been manslaughter, with a good chance she would have walked. He knows FL law, the case itself, how FL courts work, and the probable outcome. You know...nothing.

Now go ahead and post more of your ignorant drivel in contradiction of that, please.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 23, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
California law would have seen her convicted of first degree murder, had she killed her old man under like circumstances.

Florida law would still have had her serve a longer sentence had her bullets actually have hit her old man, no matter the state-specific legal nomenclature.

She's lucky she missed her target.
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