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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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plainclothes shoplifting security don't identify themselves either until the thief walks out with the loot.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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Aren't all Darwin Awards awarded posthumously?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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You can bet they identify themselves when they confront their suspect.
Yer not very bright, areya?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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plainclothes shoplifting security don't identify themselves either until the thief walks out with the loot.
They don't confront the thief until they walk out with the loot either, idiot.
Another point YOU seem to be missing.... Trayvon had not committed any crime.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Weschrist writes:
"If Trayvon saw GZ's gun, as GZ claimed, Trayvon had every right to smash that fukheads brains all over the sidewalk."
But if he fails in that, he can be killed, and the killer gets to go home. And your family cries in court when the law is finally made clear to them. Is that a gamble worth taking? Nobody has to let someone smash his brains all over the sidewalk.
That's why fighting when you have the choice to leave is stupid beyond belief. You can get killed doing that. Martin should have simply ran off. He could have very easily ditched Zimmermann.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
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The surviver gets to write the history.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Trayvon had not committed any crime.
He committed one crime. IMHO Martin is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, of felony stupidity. Zimmerman too.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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Martin should have simply ran off.
You realize he did run, right? Which is what prompted GZ to strap on his penis extension and confront him. I suppose you think "those as#@&%es" should just keep running and stay at home where they belong?
IMHO, Martin committed felony stupidity. Zimmerman too.
There is no such thing as felony stupidity, there is such a thing as murder. Martin is dead because of an overzealous wannabe cop who is now being celebrated as some kind of hero by the conservative white males who eagerly await their opportunity to follow in his footsteps. I'm sure some on this board load up and drive around the "bad parts" of town, just waiting to inflict justice.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
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"You realize he did run, right?"
How the hell did Zimmermann catch him???
We're to believe a big fat sloppy pig like Zimmermann can run down a fit 17 year old? It didn't work like that when I was 17.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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GZ wasn't chasing him. GZ came around the building and got between Trayvon and the backdoor of his house, less than 70 yards away.
Like I said, you seem to think "those as#@&%es" should just keep running and stay where they belong.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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There is no such thing as felony stupidity.
Actually, there is. The legal term "negligence" means stupidity. We call criminal stupidity "manslaughter" often. Sometimes we even call it "second degree murder."
I personally have never heard it used to refer to the victim, though. I think we'd have a better, or at least more interesting, world if we applied the term to legislators.
John
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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I know this has been brought up before, but, the jury's choice was 1) guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or 2) not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They had reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent.
All of the Monday morning quarterbacking going on here is kinda silly. Case is over. Time to learn from it and move on.
What we can learn-
1) Maybe Florida's stand your ground law goes too far. That's something for the people of FL to discuss and decide.
2) Don't fight in the dark with strangers unless there is absolutely no alternative.
Last, in my view, Zimmerman is an overzealous cop wannabe putz. But Martin's death was a Darwin event. I bet that kid could run like the wind. It would have been a much better choice, personally and evolutionarily, than fighting with a creepy weirdo in the dark.
dropline, i for one appreciate your common sense. unfortunately, your is the kind of reply that shut some of these idiots up and then they would have nothing to do all day long but stare in the mirror. talk about ugly.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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I stand corrected. Thanks JE.
But negligence isn't a crime by itself, is it? Doesn't it have to be associated with an ACTUAL crime? If it is, there are plenty of guilty parties here.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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Philo yur RACIST against hispanics OBVIOUSLY!
Well now that's rich. Wingnut logic.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
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Trayvon was found by police face down... with his forearms and hands under his body.
A crucial question is, How did Mr Zimmerman get out from underneath Trayvon Martin’s body without dislodging Trayvon's hands and arms?
According to George's testimony, Trayvon fell forward shortly after being shot. It would seem likely to me that Zimmerman would push Trayvon's body onto its side to escape. That positioning would cause the lowermost forearm to fall. from the chest.
But Trayvon's body was NOT found on its side...even if we assume the body rolled back to face down positioning...one arm should have been lower toward his waist or even free of the body..
Even in the unlikely event Mr Zimmerman wriggled and writhed from underneath the body...without pushing it on its side, the process would have forced the arm (on the side he exited) from under the chest.
Such face-down positioning with both arms under his upper torso...one could speculate he was shot from a kneeling (or standing) position, rather than while sitting on GZ's stomach/chest area.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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When I was 15, 16, and 17 I was pretty mischievous and in places and doing things I really shouldn't have been. No adult who tried to catch and confront me, including the popo, ever got within arms reach of my fleeting feet. And here I am, able to count my lucky stars.
I'm not saying TM was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be. He certainly didn't deserve to die. I'm just saying that both TM and GZ made really foolish choices that night, and unfortunately TM paid for his choice with his life.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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What we can learn-
1) Maybe Florida's stand your ground law goes too far. That's something for the people of FL to discuss and decide.
2) Don't fight in the dark with strangers unless there is absolutely no alternative.
But Martin's death was a Darwin event.
So you assume Trayvon had another choice and was not ambushed by GZ? And you are willing to disparage a dead KID based on that assumption? Trayvon did run, to within about 70 yards of his front door before he was confronted by GZ. From the testimony of Jeantel, Trayvon had about this much time to run once GZ was in his face:
'Why are you following me for?'
'What you doing around here?'
How many who blame Trayvon would also blame a woman for getting raped? Oh, right, most who blame Trayvon are conservative white males, so in their minds a woman who gets raped would have been asking for it.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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And if Zimmy did NOT have a gun Trayvon would still be alive. Limp dick cop boi would never had the balls to get out of his car with out his penis extension. He would have waited for the real police as he was told to do.
Character assassination is a long standing Republican art form.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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So you assume Trayvon had another choice and was not ambushed by GZ?
How many who blame Trayvon would also blame a woman for getting raped? Oh, right, most who blame Trayvon are conservative white males, so in their minds a woman who gets raped would have been asking for it.
I am assuming TM had the choice to run when confronted by Zimmerman. GZ didn't hold TM hostage by pointing a gun at him. There is no evidence to suggest GZ grabbed TM when TM didn't see him.
I'm not saying TM was asking for it. I'm not saying TM is to blame. I'm just saying choosing to stay instead of run was a foolish choice given the consequences.
And conflating any of this with rape is just sensationalism. Troll much?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
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And conflating any of this with rape is just sensationalism.
Okay, fine. Say Trayvon was a white woman who was followed, attacked, and killed by an armed, unidentified, aggressive man. Would you disparage her for not running fast enough, far enough, or long enough? Say he was a white 17 year old honor roll student.... say he was anything but a black teen in a hoodie... oh, wait, then he never would have caught GZ's eye.
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