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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 10, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Do you suppose if this pudgy pasty racist IS convicted that the red neck crackers of Florida will riot?
Nope, and the State of Florida doesn't either--it's issuing public service announcements that are directed to a specific ethnic group. It ain't rednecks!

What does that tell you?
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 10, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
Simple. What it say is have HD video camera rolling 24/7 and pack heat so no question of self defense when the mob attacks.
Jemarr

Social climber
Chico
Jul 11, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Trayvon texted about fighting, marijuana & guns

On Nov. 21, 2011, Martin is txt talking with someone about a fight outside
of school, saying, “naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot."


Martin boasts, "i lost da 1st round :) but i won da 2nd nd 3rd......"


The unidentified person responds, "Damee well at least yu wonn lol but yuu
needa stop fightinqq bae Forreal."


Martin replies, "naw im not done with fool...... he gone hav 2 see me a
again."


In another exchange on Nov. 22, 2011, he discusses losing the first round,
saying, "Yea cause he got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da
ground nd i couldnt do ntn."


Trayvon Martin suspended from school for fighting.

Sent to live with father to cool off by mom.


later Trayvon jumps a stranger at night and starts to beat him to
death using his new favorite ground and pound fighting style Trayvon has
learned to be effective. Trayvon is shot and killed before he can kill
Zimmermann.

Friends of Trayvon are not surprised.



http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/05/23/trayvon-martin-texted-about-fighting-marijuana-and-guns

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 11, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Prosecution just pulled a dirty switch allowing lesser charge of manslaughter.

Grounds for appeal if you ask me.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
just read that chief who was forced to retire for trying to cover this murder up. f*#ker has the audacity to claim his whitewash was the REAL investigation.

f*#king crackers
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
look up "knock out games" on google.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Obama " if i had a son he would look like Trevon..." You mean DEAD with a large hole in him? So glad the president has his mind made up already.. Certainly NOT trying to BIAS the case ...That in and of itself spells MIS- TRAIL.






manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
gary said-"As for manzanita man, well, I've met people with number tattoos on their arms, courtesy of the Final Solution, so I don't really care where you came from, you can take your racist attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine."

gary- unless you went through it yourself, STFU. YOU DONT KNOW SQUAT.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
ron, you are a racist for saying that,LOL.

I DONT KNOW HOW TO USE BLUE TEXT.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
he Zimmerman case is about many things, but it isn't about George Zimmerman, an Hispanic Obama supporter who campaigned against police brutality only to find himself plucked up by the hand of Big Brother to play the villainous white racist in the latest episode of liberal political reality television.

Zimmerman is the latest Bernie Goetz; another wholly unlikely cult figure who currently campaigns for vegetarian lunches in public schools and squirrel rescue. It's not that the two men had anything particularly in common. Unlike Goetz, it is very unlikely that Zimmerman jumped the gun, so to speak, but they both fill a similar niche. They represent the embattled lower half of the middle class.

To understand the Zimmerman case, you have to live in a neighborhood that has just enough property values to keep you paying the mortgage and just enough proximity to dangerous territories to make you feel like you're living on the frontier.

The chain of events doesn't make much sense to the elites, which is one reason why they assume that the explanation must be racism There weren't a lot of New Yorker readers cheering as Charles Bronson's Paul Kersey stalked the subways and parks of the city blowing away hoods. The perfect target audience for the Death Wish movies or for Goetz saying "You don't look too bad, here's another" was that bottom half of the middle class that didn't have enough money to leave the city and didn't have enough liberalism to accept the violence as their just due.

But the case isn't about race either. It's about a struggling middle class in a precarious economy trying to hang on to what it has. And it's about a culture of dropouts from the economy who celebrate thuggery and then pretend to be the victims. It's doubtful that anyone in Zimmerman's neighborhood who weathered multiple break-ins has much sympathy for the Martin family. And that's one reason that the prosecution hasn't found any useful witnesses.

If Trayvon Martin had been the clean cut innocent kid that the media tried to pretend he is, the reaction might have been different. But he wasn't. The gap between Martin and Zimmerman wasn't race, in other circumstances most liberals would have called both men members of minority groups, it was aspiration.

George Zimmerman wanted to to be a cop. Trayvon Martin wanted to be a hood. It's quite possible that Martin got no closer to his ambition than Zimmerman got to his. Both men were just going through the motions on the edge of a game of cops-and-robbers that suddenly turned deadly real. And even in a country where the thug tops the entertainment heap, the vulnerable parts of the middle class have more sympathy for aspiring cops than for aspiring thugs.

What are cops and thugs? Cops are the protectors of the middle class and thugs prey on the middle class. Not just any part of the middle class, but the vulnerable parts, the men and women without enough money and mobility to get out when neighborhoods turn bad. And then it all comes down to territory and who can intimidate whom. Either the cops intimidate the thugs or the thugs intimidate the cops.

Everyone is the hero in their own story, but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin were living out different stories. George Zimmerman was looking out for his neighbors while Trayvon Martin was looking to live the thug life. Martin's story ended with him realizing that sometimes attitude isn't enough and Zimmerman's story ended with him realizing that sometimes even when you try to be the hero, you're going to be drawn as a villain.


But the Zimmerman and Martin story is an American story. That's why it has become so big. Back in the 70s, when Paul Kersey was skulking around on the silver screen, it was mainly an urban story. Now it's an everywhere story. It's a story about homesteaders and savages, about a shaky middle class built on piles of debt trying to protect what's left of its way of life while across the street, there's the glamor of not working and scoring money any way you can.

It's a culture clash of a primal kind. Settlers and nomads. Cops and robbers. Builders and destroyers. And it was never going to end well. The elites want the settlers to make way for the nomads, the cops to acknowledge their role in alienating the robbers and the builders to admit that their construction is really the destruction of the way of life of the destroyers. They don't understand the struggling lower middle class and they don't care to. They have a great deal of empathy for the Trayvon Martins swaggering around another neighborhood that decays at their touch, but none for the George Zimmermans, sweating, mopping their brows, worrying how they're going to hold everything together.

Neighborhood watches don't have to turn violent, but they exist because of the potential for violence in a society with plenty of law, but little order. The struggling middle class looks to the cops only to realize that the cops have their own job and it isn't to protect them, it's to protect each other. And so they become cops. It's vigilantism of a sort and it's a symptom of social collapse. But it's also the attitude that helped make the United States happen.

That's the real story behind the headlines, the agitprop and the circus of a public trial. It's the reality that doesn't get talked about much because it's much less interesting than the straightforward story being fed into the presses. The one about an innocent young boy killed for no reason at all. It's a story about what happens when people are backed into a corner and then told to stay there. It's about a frightened middle class trying to survive. And it's about territory.

Settlers make homes. Nomads walk in and out of them. Builders thrive on making things and destroyers on trashing them. Zimmerman picked his side of the coin and Martin picked his.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
"IF THE HEAD SPLIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT."

I MAKE JOKE PHILO. OJ LAWYER JOHNNY COCHRAN SAID: "IF THE GLOVE FIT YOU MUST AQUIT". VERY FAMOUS QUOTE. I WILL JOKE NO MORE THEN WITHOUT SAYING "PHILO, I JOKE MAKE AGAIN". HOPING THAT IS OF HELP.




PHILO SAID:
"His head wasn't split. He was all but unscathed."










CNN SAID
"...photos, reportedly taken minutes after the shooting, showing streaks of blood on the back of Zimmerman's head. "

I CHANGE JOKE FOR YOU PHILO,
"IF HEAD HAVE STREAK OF BLOOD, YOU WEAR THE GLOVE."
IF OJ HAS HIS WAY, HE'LL MAKE HAY.
I WILL GLADLY PAY YOU TUESDAY FOR A HAMBURGER TODAY


HOPE THAT HELPS YOU.
"KNOCK KNOCK ..."WHO'S THERE" ...."BACK OF THE HEAD....BACK OF THE HEAD WHO"
PICTURE FROM HUFFYPO



manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Jul 11, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
philo is a douche.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
the nurse and doctor said his "split head" didnt even need a bandaid, but they gave him one just to make his feel better

cuz the lollypop wasnt working

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
philo is a douche.

watch out Mman, he's a PETAphilo...

people for the ethical treatment of as#@&%es.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
hadnt seen the picture
looks like two good strikes to me

rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
im disappointed that this affair hasnt brought to light the number of thousands of yards zimmerman stalked martin.

the meta data easily shows a distinct portion of it which cannot be refuted but nobody has brought this aspect of the affair up in court i take it?

government workers!

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Lol
Wow TGT you truly are a dumb f*#king man .. Lol
What a bucket of jizz ...

Prosecution Closing arguments were good ... What I read anyway...
Be an interesting jury decision...
I'm thinking the jury might see Zimmerman for the same pos many if us see him for ...

So what was the deal with the judge asking him if he was going to testify over and over ..
She made them look really stupid ....
And manipulative and calculated ...
The judge really doesn't like this defense team
What I have read and seen in one news story anyway ...
Of course as the judge she knows the facts and truth of everything ..


blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Prosecution just pulled a dirty switch allowing lesser charge of manslaughter.

Grounds for appeal if you ask me.

I don't think you're right about that--I think lesser includeds are presented to the jury all the time (but I'm not a criminal defense lawyer and could be mistaken, and it may be jurisdiction specific).
The exclusion of the the texts about fighting on Trayvon's phone seemed both wrong and good grounds for appeal to me. For example, the phone was password protected, but the judge said something like any 7 year old could defeat the password. My phone is password protected, and I'd bet the judge any amount of money that no 7 year old (or any other non-hacker without sophisticated hacking equipment) could use my phone. Sounds to me like the judge made an evidentiary ruling on a critical issue based on her mistaken view of the way passwords and phones work.

Edit:
The judge really doesn't like this defense team
What I have read and seen in one news story anyway ...
That's the way it looks to me too; her rulings haven't been all one sided, but on balance, they seem to me to have hugely favored the prosecution, and I'm concerned that the jury won't know things that all of us know (e.g., Trayvon's texts about fighting I mentioned above--they're very interesting, if you haven't seen those texts and have an opinion as to what type of guy Trayvon was, I suggest you may not know the full story).
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
Texts between kids ?
F*#k I've texted worse in the last few minutes
U have got to be kidding

They had zero to do with anything ...

If anything should have been allowed it was zimmerman's violent felony history ..
Not bullshit texts that every normal kid in the world makes ...
Weed and fighting ??? Lol
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Riley, they were texts between friends discussing Trayvon's fights, his plans to get into another fight with some guy he had fought before, and his friend telling him he had to stop fighting so much!!!!!

If you don't think that's relevant in considering who may have "thrown the first punch," well, we see it differently!
I'd just like for the jury to have access to all the relevant facts!


Texts between kids ?

And not to pick on you, but I recall one of your previous posts where you said that 17-year olds that you knew when you were growing up were men, and would fight just fine, not whine like little girls. I believe you and agree with you. Let's not call a big, 17-year old, tatood fighter a "kid."
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