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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Is that firsthand knowledge, Jim? I always thought that Serenity fell victim to the weekend climbers continuing to nail the route after Tom did it free. In any case, I am pretty sure it was already pinned out by 1972. Certainly no one thought it was 5.11 by then.
I just noticed that Lostinshanghai posted a picture on 21 Mar 2012 (post 66) showing a hammer that is very close to the one I used, but I don't think it is from the same blank--the shape of the head looks slightly different and the long end is slightly curved.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Roger....not that hammer specifically, I was speaking metaphorically, but many hammers over many years...and not just Serenity. The sixties and very early seventies will be remembered for the creation of the 5.10 rating (although done much earlier back East by John Turner) AND the creation of a number of 5.10 climbs in Yosemite.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Throwpie's hammer: That there is the dial phone of climbing tech, dude.
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Jamesthomsen
Social climber
Mammoth Lakes, California
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Aug 28, 2014 - 06:11am PT
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Picked up this little hammer. Appears to be a Chouinard but there is no stamp on the handle. The steel appears to be a fairly high chrome content like the newer ones. I am told this type was only made for a short while. I've never seen one quite like it. It's the one on the left. The others are for comparison.
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couchmaster
climber
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Most likely made for the military Dan. NSN contract. It looks like a Chouinard/BD but isn't. See Brian in SLC post just upthread, same issue. Brians was made by ROYSON ENGINEERING COMPANY, however, it's possible that another made that one.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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I've got two of those GI hammers, one is still in the box. They aren't bad hammers but the finish is nothing like the Chouinard and BD hammers. I have reason to believe that the one I posted about was made by Chouinard.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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A little OT but does anyone have a failure on the olde Forrest whammers? I wonder how the fiberglass shafts held up.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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I've got a mjollnir that's still going strong. Used it with a rock pick.
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couchmaster
climber
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opps, was looking at the hammer on the other side Dan. Never mind (Church lady voice)
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Bill, I thought you might have missed something.
I still don't know much about this hammer. It is nicely made and the shape of the head is cool, look at the view of the top of the heads.
I was told that only a few of these were made by Chouinard over a short period of time. The lack of a stamp on the handle suggests it was some sort of prototype.
I'm trying to trace back ownership to learn more.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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It looks like an early model Alpine or Crag Hammer, where the pick has been shortened. Possibly broke the tip and then ground it to its current roundness.
Compare to this one from post 64:
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Steven Amter
climber
Washington, DC
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I've got a 70's hammer in the attic - don't even remember the brand. Hasn't seen the light of day in decades; maybe I'll go take a look.
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Clint,
It looks close but I think the forging is different. Here are lostinshanghai's hammers. I think the one on the left is the Yosemite hammer and the one on the right is the alpine hammer.
This is mine which looks more like the Yosemite than the alpine.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Right, the hammer photographed by lostinshanghai is not a match for yours. But it's close. (Much closer than any of the Yosemite wall hammers). The narrowness of the pick in your top view definitely puts it in the Alpine/Crag hammer group. The other factor for dating yours is the length of the hammer side (vs. pick side) - it's longer than the wall hammers and later alpine hammers. So this makes yours a fairly early model.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
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Holiday hammer time bump...
Banquo- I think your hammer was an early attempt to stretch the nose of a standard Yosemite hammer into something different which certainly makes it a prototype and as such, rare.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Dec 17, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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Banquo - My guess is that it is a 1971 Yosemite hammer with the nose pounded out longer.
The end of the short handle flares out, phillips screw, lower curve of the nose, and head crease is outside of the hammer handle edge. Your Chouinard hammer is different than all of these shown below.
So to be able to date that Chouinard hammer would be a pleasure.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Feb 16, 2017 - 07:02am PT
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Beautiful Simond hammer set Stephane!
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Feb 16, 2017 - 09:09am PT
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And... it was not an easy affair to complete such a set...;-)
Having found the Condor Roc prototype is just miraculous...
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SIMOND Condor Roc (660g) 1973
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