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Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 9, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
Russ has a good point. If the perpetrators are known (for sure), and if they knew or should have known that what they were doing wasn't appropriate (almost certain), they should be shamed by our community.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 9, 2012 - 08:36pm PT
I knew this was coming. It was only a matter of time...
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Mar 9, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
The reality is that there are a small group of people that may be responsible, but who actually did what (or anything) is currently known only to them. Since I do not know with certainty, it would be unfair and improper to mention any names.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Mar 9, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
So..... how can they be shunned if they are not outed? Let's point some fingers. Facts be damned!

So far:
They climb hard
They are lawless
The like comfort at the base
They are probably locals
They are probably known names
They have probably eaten at Santanas in the last 16 months
They have driven past Nomads
They like to be warm
They carry heavy packs

hmmmmm......
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Mar 9, 2012 - 10:43pm PT


Whew... looks like I'm in the clear!!!
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Mar 9, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
^^^^^^^ bwahahaha!
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
Well, the NPS has set their sights. That was made clear in the initial post, which was quickly edited to exclude the original finger pointing by the OP.

Poor etiquette for sure, and very questionable judgement to say the least.

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:06pm PT
Bernadettes a babe
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
When I first saw the initial post there was some clear finger pointing that I'm not going to repeat. When I went back a few minutes later that portion of the initial post had been quickly edited and the statements had been removed.

As I said, very poor form on the behalf of the OP. I can't believe that I'm the only one who saw it.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
Kill the pad people and turn them into the pink stuff they make chicken mcnuggets out of.


It's the only solution.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
I thought I saw the post very soon after it went up. It looks the same - guess I missed it.

Or else RLF was reading the OP of the Wings of Steel thread and got mixed up!
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Good seeing you this morning Terry!

Naw, I saw what I saw. It did go away fast though. Not surprising considering the nature of the content.

EDIT:

I doubt we will be hearing anything more from the OP on this thread after the very initial post. My guess is somebody else from the NPS saw it and flipped.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:50pm PT
Was out at cap rock the other day and noticed some serious thrash trash up a couple of copper head practice lines. That rock is defaced for the next hundred thousand years.

I felt the shame for our community.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 9, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
Bernadette is hot and she can get you into the park for free, do not tell the district supervisor,
she also sends 5.11 like nobody's bidness,
you can get her autograph at bridfest 2.
lotta girls bitched out around town i notice, what gives?






























Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 10, 2012 - 12:01am PT
dang, looks like woodstock,

is that gram parsons sifting thru the rubbish?

viva las vegas,

vivaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa las vegas,

any fat elvis climbers at red rock?


Cosmic, the windshield water at the Mobil is weak, what to do?

we need a Professional opinion,



Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 10, 2012 - 12:03am PT
i would lick the dust of of every square inch.

no pink slime here, just 100 percent USDA Choice.



Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Mar 10, 2012 - 12:14am PT
So don't put up routes, or NPS will go beyond:

1) Charging for campsites without providing basic services (water).

2) Frequent tooling, like frequently coming into my site from the back ways in a pathetic attempt to catch me off guard (hint, I don't smoke pot, stop invading the space you made me pay for, you are not welcome).

3) Using our tax payer paid hours to try and scout our illicit guiding to keep business coming your buddy's way. Hint: Just cuz we have a rope gun in our group setting up TR's doesn't translate to illicit guiding.

4) Setting up Gestapo check points near New Years and making us "show our papers". WTF?

5) Parading around their fire truck through HVG near New Year's as a thinly veiled threat of water cannon use on New Year's eve.

6) Sending NPS "climbers" up intersection to search for stashes after dark whilst sending fat agro LEO's after every flashlight, all while lying to us as to them not being NPS affiliated.

What next, Gitmo for hang doggers? Treat us as adults and with real respect (not just LEO pleasantries) a bit more often and we might surprise you by returning the favor.
Guck

Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Mar 10, 2012 - 12:26am PT
There is no need to point fingers, the local climbers already have posted their ethics in the thread

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1520249/If-it-was-bolted-on-lead
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Poofter's Froth, Wyoming
Mar 10, 2012 - 12:28am PT
Moof, obviously Tools are going to be Tools, but what about the rock? Chipping is total bullshit and should not be tolerated at all, zero.

So who is/are the chippers? Where is this defiled area?
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