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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:38pm PT
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All great reasons to go Vegan.
Keep it up Riley!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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No vegetatrian sushi, Nature?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
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yeah... i have vegetarian sushi. and vegan sushi.
but I know riley and he ain't gonna pass up on fish ;-)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:51pm PT
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Interesting, and remind us, for it to be most meaningful,
1. your age,
2. your cholesterol numbers, ratio if you know it, too
3. whether or not you're on a statin
Thanks.
1. 58 (I weigh under 150, 8.5 to 10% body fat (depending on the measuring technique)
2. Overall cholesterol is near but below what my regular doc likes to see, but the ratio of hdl / ldl is extremely good. Triglicerides are really low too.
3. Absolutely not.
There is a lot of valid research out there linking problems with cholesterol and arterial disease. The research linking eating fat and having high cholesterol is more confusing though. It seems that it is the carbs which are the problem.
Oh I just had the whole cardiac workup and I am in great shape. (from the shoulders down anyway...)
As I said, when it comes to diet ther is no one rule for all.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:53pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Vegan.
(edit - Russ, I'm looking into tasting his jizzum for purposes of scientific research. So far multiple emails have left me empty handed, but hopeful.)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 19, 2011 - 10:57pm PT
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Do vegans get demoted for eating pussy ?
Interesting question. The 5th Food Group.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
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thought about soy protein? Being on like a 1750 cal/day diet with ~100g of protein and sh#t loads of climbing will slim you down, just be careful your muscles don't metabolize themselves...
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
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watch out for soy....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:10pm PT
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Vegetarian is so simple.
You eat anything except meat fish and eggs.
And whatever you decide you don't want.
Why are people so complicated ......
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:25pm PT
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December 2010, 207 pounds.... December 2011, 155 pounds. Weeee!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:28pm PT
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How did you do it GDavis?
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:29pm PT
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december 2010 176 lbs.
june 2011 155 lbs.
december 2011 163 lbs
(I went to India for 2.5 months - "bad" food and even worse beer).
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
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5'10" 157lbs
PescAwhatever, though not into labels
Intrigued by the vegan path as a short time thing.
But yeah, keep your thing outta my broccoli!!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 19, 2011 - 11:40pm PT
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once you're big its easy to start, by cutting out salts and sugars you can drop a good 10 pounds pretty fast (if your diet is already heavy in that stuff). Also, being larger, you will burn MUCH more at the gym. Keep a light diet and don't go trying to lose 5 pounds a week, aim for 2 a week at best.
First, find out your basal metabolic rate (kinda tricky, but some web calculators can help you with that.
Next, figure you will want to be in a deficit of about 30% - thats enough to keep your body from going into "survival mode." When you start to reduce your caloric intake, your body thinks its being starved so holds onto fats and energy, and in the process eats away at your muscle (not a big deal for soccer moms looking to lose baby weight but for climbers its death). You combat this by doing a few things, making sure you are not shocking your system being one, but the other two is getting enough exercise and protein.
Make sure to regularly stimulate all of your muscle groups in your workouts and consume at best a minimum of half your body weight in grams of protein. Carbs are great so long as you keep your calories no less than ~70% of your BMR.
Buy a heart rate monitor and make sure you are exercising as much as possible with as little impact as possible. Rest days are needed to rebuild damaged tissue, but by doing low impact activities you reduce the needed recovery time drastically. Keep that heart rate monitor to make sure you are in an aerobic, rather than anaerobic, state (should be able to hold a conversation).
Lets just assume your BMR is 2000 calories per day. Consume 1500 (this will suck, but to do yourself a favor keep it HIGH in veggies and eat throughout the day, a breakfast which is high in protein - kashi cereal is great - then snack for lunch, a good light dinner, BOOM!) calories, burn 750 at a gym, you are at a deficit of 1250 calories. That's a little more than 2lbs a week of actual weight loss, not water loss or retension or whatever. Consider too that cutting back on sodium, fats and salts will normalize your water levels and you won't hold onto as much, and sweat OFTEN to get rid of toxicities (thats a great way to get rid of waste!) and drink your weight in ounces of water at best a day... and voila.
Its really not too difficult.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:01am PT
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I have a brother and his wife that went vegan and it made for some interesting times at fmaily gatherings. This coming from a family raised on beef from my grandparent's farm. My parents did not get it and it was tough to make everyone happy at the dinner table esspecially at Thanksgiving.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:05am PT
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I'm no vegan, but I don't see why you need to stick your dick in their broccoli.
Yer doin' it wrong. Dick goes in the mashed potatoes.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:06am PT
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Licensed to Ill reference?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Asgard or bust
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:07am PT
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Oh, it's gonna be THAT kind of party, eh?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:07am PT
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Then what's the pie for?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Dec 20, 2011 - 12:21am PT
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Eating animal fat is the biggest killer we have as humans - that is just a fact.
Maybe eating an excess of the worst kind of animal fats, sure. But it's not as if animal fats in general are bad for you...fish oil is an animal fat with plenty of benefits.
If humans ate the way primates do, fruit consumption would go way up and meat consumption would go way down.
And the prancing boot and skinny hipster jeans aisles would be sold out too. Probably the eye liner too.
I am far from a carnivore, eat meat about 3-4x per week, 98% of the time it's fish, and eat more fresh fruit and veg than most. No aversion to grains, I do well on real oatmeal, whole grain breads and crackers, etc.
Personally, I couldn't care less what you eat, it's your body and you have to live in it. But I do find the rationalizations ridiculous. To hold up a vegan diet as "natural", "normal" or even healthier than a std pescatarian type diet is comical and misguided. Someone above falsely claimed the 7th dayers and their veggie/vegan thing as the longest lived. The research on longevity cultures tend to have a few things in common...vegan or strict veggie is not one of them. Low caloric intake is the standout commonality . Okinawans are one of the groups commonly studied for exceptional longevity, and they consume fish on the regular. Some peg dairy as one of the culprits, but another of the groups (from the Caucuses) have a full fat yogurt type food on the regular.
Eat what works for you...just don't try to convince me that your tofurkey extra kind vegan wholegrain nutburger is as satisfying as a bacon double chee.
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