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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2014 - 08:36am PT
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TVASH. Gotta go to SLC and Petzl today and back tomorrow. We'll start planning your adventure soon as I get back. This should really be a fun one for us all.
JL
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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The zen master will beat Tvash with bamboo rod and Tvash will come back here and scream terrorism and torture.
Zen master will verbally abuse Tvash and Tvash will run away. hehehe
Tvash will then make conclusion like all lazy westerners and say these guys are psychos.
The weak pussy westerners just want to go to yoga classes and play in their yoga pants.
The zen master in the real days threw everyone out and really made them test to see if they really were really sincere and wanted to learn.
If they failed the test he threw them out.
Not like the nutcase American schools where they sue the the school.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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What's an apple?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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MikeL,
As I wrote the shamefully lightweight post that was a blatant butts kiss I considered your acuity as well. The words and focus are intended to lighten the mood just a smidge. As I am completely out classed here, I try to refrain from posting. I do not want or intend to offend anyone, not you or the big Brahma. MikeL you are secure in your place and infact the race is very near even. What is the end game no consensus can ever be reached? If death is not the end do you or the OP believe that we reincarnate? (trolling for for the Rescue Saint Braun)
The answer leads to more questions about what the stopping of every thing, feeling and breath and What electrical brain output really means. (I liked the word 'sesation' but I could not spell it)
Spit balling by and from the likes of me is not worthy of a reply. I take no offense. I wish that I could still read and think as fast as some tell me I once did.
The shadows that wake me in the wee hours cause actual Physical pain in the form of ‘Charlie horse cramps’ from my knees to my toes, which seem to dislocate.((ouw ouw ouwy, This is the result of to little physical work I hope)). You all needed to know that? Well yes and no. If, as you are wont to, ignore me then really no. If by chance stepping back from the deep you can look at this thread as therapy for the mind, then the inclusion of the healing powers I summon to sate my pain, and over come, without drugs or climbing not even weed (both of those last two have been my crutches,) then I think it is an interesting point that mind over matter in big and small doses is Germaine to the ‘spit back reply.’
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MH2
climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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Somewhere in the dim past of Climbing, or R&I, or my imagination, Mark Twight relates going through the breakdown of his personality/sense-of-self and breaking free of his old limits. I think his teacher was martial arts. It definitely requires bravery to submit your self to the wrecking ball.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2014 - 11:05am PT
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In my experience, what keeps us in the matrix is our yapper going 1,000,000 miles an hour 24/7, and if we appear quiet on the outside, we are loudly or subtly judging and evaluating and talking to ourselves on the inside. Once we are in a structured place and the silence starts to grow around us, this whole nexus of internal chin music starts to simmer down and the mud starts sloughing off our beer goggles. We start seeing beyond our mental constructs.
Wrecking ball indeed, and yes, that takes minerals.
JL
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 14, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
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In my experience, what keeps us in the matrix is our yapper going 1,000,000 miles an hour 24-7(JL)
How are your sleep patterns? Sounds exhausting.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 14, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
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Heavy lifting indeed
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 15, 2014 - 08:13am PT
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Gnome OD:
Don’t mind me or my writing. Sometimes the writing is simply an expression of what’s going on in my being. I should blame a cause for my tone or attitude, or I should blame myself. Neither is the truth somehow.
Last week I got a bit rambunctious in the gym, and 48 hours later a lower back muscle seized up that made it difficult to do anything other than lay prostrate. After 24 hours of Advil, I could begin to move around, and I found pain clarifying and instructive—as I usually do with such things. The pain reminded me to pay very close attention to movement, and I tried to express every movement stylistically perfectly, with grace. That became a practice for mindfulness, and I felt grateful to for the pain because it woke me up. When I lost mindfulness, it was because my mind returned to discoursing about stuff other than what was immediately in front of me. I see / think / feel that style is a better measure (if one must) or standard than achievement. Means over ends: “doing” without regard to ends. Just doing; nothing other than doing; free play; fully engaged improvisation.
It’s perhaps weird to say this, but pain can be a gift if it brings one present. It clarifies far more than pleasure—at least it does for me. I learn nothing from pleasure; I learn more from pain.
Suffering is not pain; it’s another issue. Suffering is what the mind makes of pain, IMO.
BTW, did you plan for your avatar to spell out GOD as an acronym? (Kinda funny, really.)
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MH2
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:05am PT
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When you chop wood just chop wood.
If you want to know what kind of person Google thinks you are, search 'chop wood.'
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:03am PT
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^^^^^^^ This clarifies your comments on pain, Mike. Well done, old chap!
;>)
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 15, 2014 - 08:14pm PT
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"School's in session"
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
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i posted the article about Dr. Diane Powell's work, thinking it was very relevant to this discussion
since no one commented, did no one bother to read it...
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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I scanned it, Tom. I’m a bit acquainted with holograms as embodiments of cognitive processes. The hologram has been used to describe some organizations that have “distributed centers” (HQ, control centers, repositories of knowledge, distributed skill sets, etc.). I like the idea, but the devil is in the details as to how it works in organizations.
In people? Sure. Why not?
If it were true, then the only difference it could possibility make is that people might think about the bases for consciousness differently. But nothing in reality changes, and it’s not like the knowledge of holograms leads to enlightenment or anything. It’s a curiosity.
What should matter is not what it is conceptually, but what it is experientially.
Unfortunately, the knowledge of anything doesn’t seem to make a bit of difference to anyone’s raw experience. That, somehow, remains exactly the same no matter what is going on in front of us. Sure, we have different interpretations, but what are those?
Whether it is little space aliens, Yahweh in full battle array, atoms strung on a string, or Mazlow becoming self-realized . . . it’s all the same thing in one’s experience. The stories are, . . . well, . . . stories. Clever, interesting, arguable among friends, but still stories at the end of the day.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:15am PT
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What a disgusting opportunistic condolence. A heaven filled with you is my definition of Hell.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:27am PT
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NOW I AM SO CONFUSED
BEN save D ...and... looked into marrying and becoming aaa Jew
then the women I did went All Dharma Rag On me…… DEW
(read as DOH Homer Simpson like)
MY Cathedral and holy Power Has Always Been
ROCK
Not the Crack that seems to get "moked here
PYVG—Perfect Yosemite Valley Granite
The mormans where real Asz wipes to quarry the ‘Grammer Butress’
I know it is called something else.../././././././././The...Adjective Buttress
Good hard is Rock to Find............./././././././././.Good Rock is Hard to Find
When I do I climb It …the rock
This reads like a haed injury patients.../././././Head........ Not AHAD either
Stupid rhyme.
calling to Dr F
come back man I light a fatty and pass it to you 'cause I'm to broke and broke down
unless it is sharing with you
I love this line
This Succulents man
Mr FRye we should all be thanking you for the playground
oh no thats some kid called CmAC daddy it was just the ball you took with you
shunned
shunned
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:42am PT
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Go-B:
Kotter’s work has been well-received over the decades. He’s kind of an icon in the study of leadership. His writing and ideas concern mundane efforts of the bourgeoise.
Urgency requires an orientation to achievement, because something needs to be done, and there isn’t much time left. I question both notions. This current life may be limited in some ways, but an orientation to the future detracts from the present, which is all we really ever have. As for achievement of some state of being, that too resides in the future vaguely. If it isn’t vague, then you have it already. If you already have it, then you’re in-tune with the Absolute. There is no where to go and nothing more to do.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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Right said Tvash.
Totally culty behavior by Go-B. Using the fear of death to promote his cult status. What a creep! And a self righteous Knowitall pos too.
Nothing defines Christianity as much as the terroristic threat of eternal damnation. What a bunch of a-holes.
Sketch, criticizing a group or individual's behavior isn't bigotry. Christianity is built on war and bigotry. It's promoted through war and childhood indoctrination. Your group is actively trying to reverse the Age of Reason and trying to take the world back to the Dark Ages. Move aside you bunch of creepy cultists.
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