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MH2

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
You are a wonderful straight man, MikeL.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:29pm PT

Even Gita says this that awareness or soul

That's a little conflation go'in on ain't it?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Aug 31, 2014 - 02:06am PT
"Never open it and taste the inside contents."

Sage advice, Yogi.
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Aug 31, 2014 - 02:21am PT
Still musing on "what is Mind" in the Copenhagen airport.

Not expecting any breakthroughs. Weak beer is not helping.

Moose

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 31, 2014 - 10:31am PT
We are the ordinary people who rule the universe.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 31, 2014 - 11:15am PT
^^^for a minute i thought you said the universe created you and runs your mind.
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Aug 31, 2014 - 11:55am PT

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

...you are what you think!
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Aug 31, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
Read an op-ed by David Brooks from The New York Times a few days ago. It is titled The mental Virtues and had some interesting ideas that seemed worth sharing. Posted it as another thread where DMT suggested posting it here. So, if you want to complain, it's his fault! ;-)

I'm curious to see if it will create some discussion and where it will go. Here is the post:

"Interesting op-ed in The New York Times from David Brooks on holding some key virtues (values) in mind for developing of our thinking. http://nyti.ms/1pnBuI2

According to Brooks, these values include love of learning (curiosity), intellectual courage (willingness to hold unpopular views, self-regulation of beliefs and views, critical consideration of information), strength of position (firmly held through critical self-evaluation, but not dogmatic, strength of conviction appropriately adjusted to strength of evidence), humility (not letting vanity or the desire for status get in the way of accuracy), autonomy (thinking for yourself, avoiding merely parroting others thinking), and generosity.

Brooks talks about generosity in these terms, "This virtue starts with the willingness to share knowledge and give others credit. But it also means hearing others as they would like to be heard, looking for what each person has to teach and not looking to triumphantly pounce upon their errors."

And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature ó against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isnít just adopting the right technique. Itís a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."

Inspired me to want to share and work on doing a better job satisfying those values.

ST reminds me of hanging around the campfire after a day climbing (mostly); seems like it works when everyone in on the conversation is reasonable and respectful to the degree there is foundation present for the leg-pulling, teasing, challenging, and sh#t talking to stay in good fun."
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 31, 2014 - 01:28pm PT

And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature ó against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isnít just adopting the right technique. Itís a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."

This sounds like reading from Proverbs
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 31, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
this one seems more pertinent,

http://nyti.ms/1tjPMLg
WBraun

climber
Aug 31, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
There is an old saying.

The heart is never neutral.

The heart is the seat of the soul, the living person them self, which control the mind .......
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 31, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
Zen & the Art of Mathematics


And some of you thought this improbable . . .


;>)
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Aug 31, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
Only because of the way math was taught. I also liked the article in that journal titled , "What if English were taught the same as math". As I read it, I realized that is how they teach English in Japan and why the kids hate it and are so bad at it. Yet they don't teach math that way in Japan and the Japanese do very well at it. Hmm.....Maybe we now need a Zen and the Art of Teaching?
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Aug 31, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
Speaking of mind, and how differently Homo sapiens can use it, here's an interesting article from the New York Times by an anthropologist who studied the Bushmen of the Kalahari, in which he contrasts the hunting and gathering mentality to that of the farmer and the neolithic revolution. He does so by contrasting their differing attitudes toward dogs. A good example of the influence of environment over mind.

Not to mention the influence of one's profession and notions of professionalism over emotion. Not a word about his own anguish or karmic musings about how his carelessness caused such suffering of the very thing he loved.


http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/sympathy-for-a-desert-dog/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region®ion=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
That blog on Zen and math wasn't very impressive IMHO.

Zen and the Art of Archery was more to the point.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:18pm PT

A good example of the influence of environment over mind.

i wish they would've had pics of the peoples. The taste of dog prolly had alot to do in shaping their attitude.
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
I don't read this place often, so it's easy to miss threads like this. So far I've just seen the first post.

"Since a strict computational model can be summarily ruled out, and a ďbrain is consciousnessĒ model is insisting that an apple is an orange, and religious explanations are equally unsatisfactory, one wonders what direction is needed to wrestle this one down."

Science often is used like a filter, in an attempt to strip away the stuff that keeps one from seeing what's going on. Unfortunately, that filter sometimes introduces a bias into the measurement. Or worse, the researcher introduces a bias, sometimes subconsciously. But often, it's all we got, so why not learn to measure, and learn from our failures?

Religion seems to have more access to quantities of bias that are capable of causing death. WRT the "brain is consciousness" model, are you going to eat that orange?
MH2

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
Welcome to Mad Dog.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 2, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
^^^since they were the first to eat of the apple, they might as well eat the orange to.

Nice post though!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2014 - 08:52am PT
Science often is used like a filter, in an attempt to strip away the stuff that keeps one from seeing what's going on.
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Actually mind is what we use as a filter and "science" is one of our mental methods. "Science" does not exist separate from mind. For example, there are distances "out there" in objective reality, but they are not quantified until our mind assigns them a number. The number itself does not exist "out there."

Some would say numbers are like Platonic forms or Jungian archetypes, that they are basic inherent qualities of reality - but that's another subject.

JL
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