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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
Tvash,

Waiting for "the drop" at a rave is so 90's.
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Friends:

Check your reality and see if it's all intergalactic, subatomic, and neural pathways.

Thinking is the only real weapon of mass destruction. You can think the universe to death.

Do not mistake non-reproducibility for non-validity.

"God made everything out of nothing. But the nothingness shows through."
(Paul Valery)
Psilocyborg

climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:30pm PT
The formation of matter from energy is clearly proved by Einstein through the law of equivalence of mass and energy. Therefore, the theory of evolution proposed by Darwin associated with the Einstein’s theories will certainly prove the evolution of universe from the energy or space in sequential manner. But Veda mentions one more item indicated by the word Atman as the ultimate cause from which the primordial energy or space was generated (Atmana akashah… Veda). You cannot say that the word Atman means awareness here, because, awareness (purushah) is mentioned as the third generated product in the chain of evolution. A generated product in the chain cannot be the first ultimate cause.

The scientist may say that there is no necessity of the word Atman as the ultimate cause because the meaning of the word Atman can neither be energy, nor matter, and nor the awareness because these three items are already existing in the world. Moreover, energy, matter and awareness are visible items in the light of development of advanced electronic equipments. Even the awareness is visible which is in the form of waves propagating in the nerves found by the latest instruments. Even Gita says this that awareness or soul can be seen by scholars (pashyanti jnanachakshushah). Therefore, the meaning of the word Atman must be unimaginable item, which is not the object of senses, mind, intelligence and even sharp logical analysis (Na chakshushah, aprapya manasa, na medhaya, naisha tarkena… Veda). The best word that can be used to mean such unimaginable object is “wordless” (Ashabda mavyayam… Veda). A negative word like ParaBrahman can also be used which means that which is not Brahman.

But the word Atman is used which means the awareness that is pervading all over the human body (sarvam shariram atati iti atma). This word means awareness along with its property of pervasion. An independent existence of awareness pervading the space is not available and hence the awareness pervading in a human body alone should be taken. If you take simply the awareness pervading all over a human body as Atman mentioned here, such a possibility is negated because the awareness in the human body is not an unimaginable object which exists in the beginning of the chain since such awareness already appeared in the end of the chain as the normal awareness or life (purusha). Therefore, the word Atman here means a human being, which is completely different from any other human being, which appeared in the end of the chain of evolution. Such a special human being is the superman or human incarnation like Krishna in whom the existence of the special unimaginable item is inferred.

Veda says that the existence of such superman is the basis of the inference of the unimaginable item called as God. But mere Veda cannot stand as an authority because it can be disposed as poetic imagination of some selfish priests to exploit the society in the name of God. Therefore, mere scripture (Shabdapramanam) cannot be the authority. All the authorities (pramanams) are based on perception (pratyaksham) only.
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
PBorg do talk like that when your on belay?
MH2

climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
There is no progress. No personal growth is possible. No maturity. No evolution. No meditation. No discipline. Nothing to do. No place to go. No discrimination. No prejudice or bias. No one and no thing to change. No controller. No control. There is simply no need. Everything is upfront and in our faces.



Another bum lottery ticket?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Aug 28, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
Atman Begins, The Movie

Shot in 0D

This has got Keanu comeback written all over it.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 29, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
Moreover, energy, matter and awareness are visible items in the light of development of advanced electronic equipments. Even the awareness is visible which is in the form of waves propagating in the nerves found by the latest instruments

I always thought awareness wasn't that big a deal.
MH2

climber
Aug 29, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
Ah, but awareness of what? That is the question. Let's say you are aware of a glass of water on a table in front of you. However, your retina only registers patterns of light. Where does the glass of water and the table show up?
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 29, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
In your mind's eye?
MH2

climber
Aug 29, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
Well, sure, in nontechnical language. Good place to leave it, really.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 29, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
Patterns of light and optical memories have a lot to do with whether you wore glasses and if your parents found out how blind you were soon enough.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Aug 29, 2014 - 09:16pm PT
I'm going with Werner on this. Seriously.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 29, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
And keep guessing and speculating about those contents and their taste which are inside that jar


Unrequited love molds character.

Don't knock it, Duck!


;>)
Psilocyborg

climber
Aug 29, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
WB wants you to taste the rainbow
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Aug 29, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
From http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00002/f...
From http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00002/full
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Aug 30, 2014 - 06:39am PT
Thought I saw Einstein at Woodstock last week.
At least I thought it was last week.
go-B

climber
Cling to what is good!
Aug 30, 2014 - 06:43am PT
Credit: go-B

...must be something they ate!
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 30, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
Everyone has their experiences, which is what they are attempting to report.

MH2

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
You are a wonderful straight man, MikeL.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:29pm PT

Even Gita says this that awareness or soul

That's a little conflation go'in on ain't it?
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