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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Aug 30, 2014 - 06:39am PT
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Thought I saw Einstein at Woodstock last week.
At least I thought it was last week.
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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Aug 30, 2014 - 06:43am PT
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...must be something they ate!
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 30, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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Everyone has their experiences, which is what they are attempting to report.
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MH2
climber
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Aug 30, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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You are a wonderful straight man, MikeL.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 30, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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Even Gita says this that awareness or soul
That's a little conflation go'in on ain't it?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 31, 2014 - 02:06am PT
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"Never open it and taste the inside contents."
Sage advice, Yogi.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Aug 31, 2014 - 10:31am PT
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We are the ordinary people who rule the universe.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 31, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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^^^for a minute i thought you said the universe created you and runs your mind.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Aug 31, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
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Read an op-ed by David Brooks from The New York Times a few days ago. It is titled The mental Virtues and had some interesting ideas that seemed worth sharing. Posted it as another thread where DMT suggested posting it here. So, if you want to complain, it's his fault! ;-)
I'm curious to see if it will create some discussion and where it will go. Here is the post:
"Interesting op-ed in The New York Times from David Brooks on holding some key virtues (values) in mind for developing of our thinking. http://nyti.ms/1pnBuI2
According to Brooks, these values include love of learning (curiosity), intellectual courage (willingness to hold unpopular views, self-regulation of beliefs and views, critical consideration of information), strength of position (firmly held through critical self-evaluation, but not dogmatic, strength of conviction appropriately adjusted to strength of evidence), humility (not letting vanity or the desire for status get in the way of accuracy), autonomy (thinking for yourself, avoiding merely parroting others thinking), and generosity.
Brooks talks about generosity in these terms, "This virtue starts with the willingness to share knowledge and give others credit. But it also means hearing others as they would like to be heard, looking for what each person has to teach and not looking to triumphantly pounce upon their errors."
And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature — against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isn’t just adopting the right technique. It’s a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."
Inspired me to want to share and work on doing a better job satisfying those values.
ST reminds me of hanging around the campfire after a day climbing (mostly); seems like it works when everyone in on the conversation is reasonable and respectful to the degree there is foundation present for the leg-pulling, teasing, challenging, and sh#t talking to stay in good fun."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 31, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
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And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature — against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isn’t just adopting the right technique. It’s a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."
This sounds like reading from Proverbs
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 31, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
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There is an old saying.
The heart is never neutral.
The heart is the seat of the soul, the living person them self, which control the mind .......
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Aug 31, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
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Only because of the way math was taught. I also liked the article in that journal titled , "What if English were taught the same as math". As I read it, I realized that is how they teach English in Japan and why the kids hate it and are so bad at it. Yet they don't teach math that way in Japan and the Japanese do very well at it. Hmm.....Maybe we now need a Zen and the Art of Teaching?
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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That blog on Zen and math wasn't very impressive IMHO.
Zen and the Art of Archery was more to the point.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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A good example of the influence of environment over mind.
i wish they would've had pics of the peoples. The taste of dog prolly had alot to do in shaping their attitude.
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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I don't read this place often, so it's easy to miss threads like this. So far I've just seen the first post.
"Since a strict computational model can be summarily ruled out, and a “brain is consciousness” model is insisting that an apple is an orange, and religious explanations are equally unsatisfactory, one wonders what direction is needed to wrestle this one down."
Science often is used like a filter, in an attempt to strip away the stuff that keeps one from seeing what's going on. Unfortunately, that filter sometimes introduces a bias into the measurement. Or worse, the researcher introduces a bias, sometimes subconsciously. But often, it's all we got, so why not learn to measure, and learn from our failures?
Religion seems to have more access to quantities of bias that are capable of causing death. WRT the "brain is consciousness" model, are you going to eat that orange?
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MH2
climber
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Welcome to Mad Dog.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^since they were the first to eat of the apple, they might as well eat the orange to.
Nice post though!
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