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jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 7, 2018 - 03:28pm PT
What happens when many people engage in a group or hive-mind project? Some of you are familiar with what follows, a social-media experiment on reddit that took place last April. Redditors were allowed to change the color of a single pixel on a 1,000 X 1,000 pixel screen once every 5 minutes or so. Groups organized quickly and set about displaying their image or disrupting other images. After 72 hours the project terminated. Here is a time-lapse view of what occurred:

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2018 - 04:28pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYDfJ_Bo1XA

Looks like Pop has a hard time wrapping his MIND around this, the Senior races at the Isle of Man TT Motorcycle race, dubbed "The Most Dangerous Race in the World." 100 people have perished on the course since 1990. Top speeds approach 200 MPH.
Stellarin

Sport climber
USA
Apr 9, 2018 - 01:24pm PT
I'm also studying this topic now. I really would like to know, can someone verify that with this pills (https://nootropicboost.com) you can get memory improvement, clear mind and become more "fresh"? I heard many positive feedbacks but I'm still thinking, should I try these nootropics or not...
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 9, 2018 - 04:33pm PT
The reputable (?) studies don't show improvement for a normal person. Maybe they would work for you. Buy a bottle and try them (unless you're short on cash).



That seeing seems to arise the more I am present


???
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Apr 9, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Stellarin,

Pills seem to come with all sorts of unintended consequences. Treat your body well, listen to it, and take your kitchen to be a sacred place of sacrifice. Get good sleep. Try a little meditation for no other reason but to stop your world now and then. Read regularly and carefully. Memory improvement, a clear mind, and a fresher sense of awareness can likely all be yours if thatís what you really want. I should think that anyone could do it naturally. (Right now Iím trying to think of a single pill that really ever did what it said it was going to. Oh, yeah, . . . ibuprofen.)


Jogill:

Now and then, things show up or look to me to be intrinsically creative acts. ("ActsĒ implies actors.) That view / vision / kind of seeing arises in my consciousness the more I am here and now. That is: psychologically present (physically involved, emotionally connected, cognitively vigilant), authentic (fully expressing feelings and thoughts), and connected, close and affectionate, and engaged in fulfilling my roles. I need to be attentive, connected, integrated ("I am multitudes"), and focused on the task and role at hand.

(I'm sort of shooting for this; but of course, . . . well, you know what I'm going to say.)
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 9, 2018 - 09:09pm PT
OK. Thanks
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Apr 9, 2018 - 10:55pm PT
Now and then, things show up or look to me to be intrinsically creative acts. ("ActsĒ implies actors.) That view / vision / kind of seeing arises in my consciousness the more I am here and now. That is: psychologically present (physically involved, emotionally connected, cognitively vigilant), authentic (fully expressing feelings and thoughts), and connected, close and affectionate, and engaged in fulfilling my roles. I need to be attentive, connected, integrated ("I am multitudes"), and focused on the task and role at hand.


I know what you mean. I just made a sandwich.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 10, 2018 - 11:55am PT
^^^ I know what you mean. The other day when making a sandwich and letting my mind wander I put mustard on the bread instead of mayonnaise - a creative act, but one having dire consequences.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Apr 10, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
^^^^^^^ You know, I've stopped posting to threads like this because I came to the realization that I really don't know sh#t. On the other hand, I DO know a thing or two about sandwiches (not that I want to brag).
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 11, 2018 - 08:05am PT
Sandwiches, finally something I feel qualified to discuss. I bet that I have made more sammies than anyone on this thread. This makes me real smart, and hungry.
WBraun

climber
Apr 11, 2018 - 08:10am PT
When modern gross materialist scientists become frustrated from poor fund of knowledge they start eating because they are working in the mode of passsion .....
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 11, 2018 - 08:18am PT
and their turds don't float.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Apr 11, 2018 - 05:51pm PT
jogill: The other day when making a sandwich and letting my mind wander I put mustard on the bread instead of mayonnaise - a creative act, but one having dire consequences.

What are creative acts? Recomposing elements into something seemingly new? Adding something new to that which is tried and true?

Of all the characteristics that could be applied to consciousness, creativity would seem to be right up there in the top 5, maybe #1.

From my point of view, there is nothing more creative than *What This Is,* what I see in front of me at every moment. Of course I often donít have that understanding, like when I think I know whatís going on, when Iím in a rut or a routine or some unthinking social or personal practice. To the extent that I am aware, I see creativity in everything. But, itís not like I think there are all those things out thereónot really. Iíd say the more than one can let go, the more that one sees, and what one sees is absolute intelligence and creativity happening right there and right then.

Sure, making sandwiches could be amazingly creative acts. So can walking across this room. So can sitting here doing almost nothing at all. Everything depends upon what one sees. When a person gets that, then a completely new world starts to emerge. A very creative thing.
WBraun

climber
Apr 11, 2018 - 06:00pm PT
and their turds don't float.

Yes ... when stool does not float the living human entity is NOT eating the correct food.

The modern gross materialist doctor does NOT know this simple knowledge and comes up with all these mental speculating st00pid diets.

Grasshopper learns from master who learned from the previous master which goes all the way back to the REAL original supreme master.

The gross materialists all try to become their own master and spend all their time mental speculating because they do NOT have the quantity of the real master.

Thus the gross materialists are impersonators and are always ultimately in poor fund of knowledge ....
jogill

climber
Colorado
Apr 11, 2018 - 08:52pm PT
What are creative acts? Recomposing elements into something seemingly new?

This reminded me of a puzzle associated with my art of dreaming experiences. Last year I fell into that state and saw a beautiful but strange, giant building, with people walking along the street in front. As I examined it I tried to connect it to anything I had ever seen, to no avail. Later, when awake, I continued to wander the corridors of memory, but no luck finding anything like it. Interestingly, the memory of that image is just as real as anything I have actually seen.

It remains a mystery whether the image was a composite of scenes I had witnessed, or perhaps something new and original arising from my subconscious. If a synthesis, it consisted of incremental bits and pieces of images in my memory, assembled by the marvelous mind.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 11, 2018 - 09:02pm PT
I'm happy to report my stools float. :)
Carry on...
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Apr 11, 2018 - 09:35pm PT
What also floats in water?
WBraun

climber
Apr 11, 2018 - 09:54pm PT
Life ......
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Apr 12, 2018 - 08:35am PT
a beautiful but strange, giant building, with people walking along the street in front. As I examined it I tried to connect it to anything I had ever seen, to no avail.



I've also had dreams which were vivid, felt real, and seemed to come from outside rather than inside. I've also found keepsakes on shelves in my room and been reminded of experiences I had completely forgotten. Memory can be strange. When I think of how many hours in my life my mind could have been forming memories, versus how many hours I can recall voluntarily, I see a big difference.

When a person works on trying to remember a distant time in their life they can sometimes recover a lot. My Dad told me of a Scot who was in a German POW camp in WWII. He did not have much to do. He started trying to remember walks he had taken over the moors. Initially, few details were available. He kept trying for a couple years. It was like a jig-saw puzzle. Once several pieces fit together, it got easier. Eventually he was able to remember entire long hikes in good detail. Whether his memories were reliable is a question, though.

Our imagination can do wonderful things, too.
WBraun

climber
Apr 12, 2018 - 08:39am PT
Dreams are generally reflections from our waking states .......
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