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John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Why did this guy split after 16?

Continuous war.

A lot of these guys don't know how to quit. If someone is going to fight, then they often have a hard time transitioning to watching someone else go, or being in a position to send someone else. Some guys can handle the transition. Others can't.

I believe I read that he did 12 tours overseas in combat situations. Thats a lot.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Let's support all our armed forces by reducing their size to a level that is at all comparable to any other major country in the world. We'll get rid of at least of half of all the armed forces, save a bunch of money, and take a little better care of the remainder.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Continuous war.


John, I am completely sympathetic to this aspect, but he did however volunteer for the SEALS.

There is currently no clause that says you get full retirement, unless you volunteer for special ops and are subjected to far more than the usual amount of deployment and or combat missions.

I feel for him and his family, but SEALS is what he actually busted his tail for. They're not known for their sweet comfy safe deployments.
He knew this.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
The bunch that are really geting screwed are Hassan's victims of "workplace violence" at Ft. Hood

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-hero-obama-betrayed-victims/story?id=18465024
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Sure he knew it. But I doubt that anyone could be prepared for the kind of continuous war that we have been fighting.

You take a young man who is full of vim and vinegar and there just isn't anyway for him to know what it will be like when that inner force is diminished. Thats what age and wisdom is suppose to bring. We as the elders are the ones responsible for protecting these young men from their own enthusiasm. Maybe time in shouldn't be the only qualifying factor. Its a tough call, but we have not ever had a time in our history where we have been at war for so long. Especially not fighting 2 fronts. This is something that people like fattrad, with his calls for continuous wars did not understand.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
I hear you.
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
I hope this story gets more coverage. People need a better understanding of the real cost of war. There are thousands of ways it cost us. And it costs those who fight in them.

And I'm not saying that we should pension everyone. I'm just saying that most of our focus is on the heroics. And we fail to see the long term costs.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Hey guys,

Frogs AREN'T the ONLY Sailors, Marines, Airmen and Soldiers that have to deal with "hardships".

Trust me.

EVERYONE of us knows exactly what we get our asses into.

In this Frog's case, he volunteered for everything he got himself into... everything.

And war has absolutely nothing to do with this. Nothing.

More shet goes down in peace time than any of you want to know.

In most cases, for many of us, it don't matter if we are at war or not. We still do/did the dirty deeds.

The pay is better in war though. We get Combat Pay etc etc and then our Base Pay is tax free actually in country and or operating.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 12, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
The Chief,

Fact is, he, being an "Operator" with extensive combat time, is most likely qualified for numerous VA disability bene's that will add up to a couple grand a month for life.

What makes you think they [VA] will award him 100% which is close to 3 grand? The most he will end up would be around 50% which is only under $900.00 a month.

Plus the VA is not the greatest in health care. As for surgery sure he might get a great doc but still 80/20% chance of getting it right. As for seeing his first interview on his conditions it will still take after 9 months of starting to get help and months to correct the problem.

And as for the meds VA only can afford certain ones since they are expensive. They are still using 50 year old medications. Met one guy that is taking one that is $100.00 3x a day plus $$ for a few others to mellow him out. That is just one returning Vet that waited a year to get into the VA system. Hear it all the time.

VA Seeks to Reduce Claims Process Time
Week of February 11, 2013

Credit: lostinshanghai


The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I am currently rated at 90% for several shrapnel and TBI injuries. All combat related. I have been in the VA Health System for over 13 years. I get ALL the meds I need for... Free. No limits. I even got a nice pair of $7K pair of Phonek's for .... Free. I get all related health care locally at my local health facility for all my Rated issues (which is pretty extensive) for.. Free as I reside over 150 miles from the closest VA Med Ctr.

I assist local Vets with Benefits and Disability Applications and have done so for over 12 years. So far I am batting 100% in getting them all their benefits and retro medical and Disability payments paid. All of them have gotten applied, eval'd and then Rated in no more than 120 days compared to the old 6-10 months to even get seen for an evaluation.

This is all real world, not Wiki or Google.






And you Shanghai, you stayed in the Holiday Inn last night, right!

As usual your propaganda machine is at play and you have this all figured out.

But please do let us all know your personal experience with the System.

And please, Wiki/Google is not a valid answer.

Out.


The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
The Brotherhood takes care of one another for life Shanghai.

They don't sit around on the internet whinning about the problem/s and do nothing to help their Brothers in need nor attempt to go out in force and try to fix the system.

If you really care Shanghai, I most highly suggest you stop whinning, get involved with your local VET CARE office and start making a difference.

And please, I do not need to hear you sob story about Nam. For someone with the supposed combat experience you have, you cry more than my new 3 month old Rottwieler puppy.




John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Chief, Perhaps you forgot, or didn't notice. But lostinShanghia is a combat vet from Vietnam. Maybe times have gotten better. I certainly hope so.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
So fking what!

Even more reason to get off his ass and get involved to better the system. That btw is how the system is getting better. All by Vets helping one another with "Failure is not option" attitude and getting the shet fixed locally.

This whinning routine that the system is broken is no longer an excuse. Cus it aint. Trust me.

Had he been in a local Vet Health Center, he would have seen how most of the folks working in em these days are guess what.... VETS!

That was one of the major changes that occurred some 10 years ago that starting the ball rolling. Every person I encounter in the C-N-C at the Reno Vet Med Ctr for my issues are all VETS!!!! From recieptionist to physician.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Kahuna


The Entire Brood
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Hey Chief,

Seems you are not informed, course when have you ever been.

Here is link or PDF you should get the past behind you and be more educated on the subject. Think you would know but seems you are part of the problem and not helping with the solution with the VA.

Credit: lostinshanghai


http://benefits.va.gov/transformation/docs/VA_Strategic_Plan_to_Eliminate_the_Compensation_Claims_Backlog.pdf

I see you arenít posting 24/7 like you did before guess those PTSD classes finally helped you find some direction in your life.

At least I fought you didn't.


The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Oh I fought as I continue today for my Brothers & Sisters.

So please cease the bullshet comments.

Truly amazing how folks as yourself constantly need to resort to personal insults as your strength to attempt to prove your invalid points.

Now that is class.

Obviously since you are refering to that report, you have ZERO first hand personal experience. But please do continue sitting behind that computer of yours perpetuating your negative propaganda. Totally inexperienced in the System.

In the mean time some of us will be doing all we can to make a difference for our Brothers & Sisters.

Out.


BTW Shanghai, you Rated?? When and where.

lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
You help so much, how many Vets do you tell the side effects of their medications that are causing many problems and booze making it worse.

Sounds like that is your problem maybe you should stop drinking and see the light instead of crawling in the dark.

Get out of the past and move on. Cry baby.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
The Cheif is taking time to help folks using whatever expertise he has gained. That's really what matters most it seems to me. Who can you really help and is that a priority for you.

He sure presents a prickly exterior on this forum and seems to enjoy the confrontations too.. lol

On every level that sounds like a USN Cheif to me.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
"Truly amazing how folks as yourself constantly need to resort to personal insults as your strength to attempt to prove your invalid points."
"
Now that is class."

Have you read any of your old posts seems maybe go back and see yourself in the mirror. Look like you needed anger management but you erased those.

As for my rating 100%; on a classified mission in '68, was declassified by Bush a few years back; a tale what was going to happen 8 months later in A Shaw Valley and the future.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
No where near the past Shang. Doing the deal now and as often as I can today. Helping in any way shape or form to help other Vets get what they deserve.

I quit drinking 13 and half years ago after I beat an old Vets ass in a bar that was constantly whinning his ass off about how fkd up the Marine Corps was and I then spent 45 days in Hanford City jail for doing so.

The ONLY anger I have today is for those that continue to do as that old whinner did and do nothing to apply themselves to make the system better.

Now, since you are supposedly 100% rated (that means you had to have either lost both legs below the hip or are totally blind in both eyes or have terminal cancer from AO etc), what Vet Program are you proactive with on a regular basis in order to do what you can to get your Brothers what they are due and make the system better locally?
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