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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 2, 2011 - 03:01pm PT
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It's on-topic because they are honorary climbers.
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dirtbag
climber
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Amen!!!
Thank you!!!
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Thanks for your service!
Erik
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2011 - 03:13pm PT
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About the raid: We have new details about the raid itself. It was launched from a base in Afghanistan. It was a squadron of U.S. Navy Seals that took part in it. That is about 40 Navy Seals. About 24 of them landed on the ground and entered the compound. We're told that they offered him a chance to surrender; but, they didn't waste much time. That's when the shooting began. There was lots of shooting - no U.S. service members were injured in the firefight that ensued.
One of the U.S. helicopters that flew in the raid had mechanical difficulties, we're told by a U.S. military official. That helicopter had to make a hard landing and we're told that it was destroyed ... by the others involved in the mission. We're also told the Navy Seals were practicing over a week. They knew about this mission for a week and they had been practicing for the raid until given the orders.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Flawless Navy Seal Bin Laden raid: Muslim sea burial by U.S. forces - National Political Transcripts | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/political-transcripts-in-national/flawless-naval-seal-bin-laden-raid-muslim-burial-24-hours-possibly-at-sea#ixzz1LDtEguib
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Gene
climber
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Shut up, Fattrad.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Fatty, we all know you don't have an LEO team. SEALs are the real deal, the opposite of you.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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fattard, AC must have really gotten you riled lately. you are even more of an ass than normal.
salute to the seals!
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Dirka
Trad climber
SF
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They make sacrifices beyond anything that I would know.
Thanks for your service.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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I learned to appreciate Navy Seals many years ago. I was horsing around with one, the game got rougher and rougher. He finally picked me up and threw me double overhand like a some pro wrestler move. I landed on my back on concrete. I learned how not to be a wimp at the moment right after impact.
A big thanks to Navy Seals everywhere, past, present and future.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Salute: covered or uncovered, to not only the strike team, but also to the eyes and ears that helped accomplish their mission.
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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has anyone climbed with SEALs? I recall reading that a few big-name climbers occasionally get DoD contracts to take these guys climbing
there's no doubt they're fine athletes, but I wonder how well they take to climbing. Probably pretty well.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jay Smith spent quite a few years training Seals in rock climbing and ice climbing. I went on a week long training exercise with Seals in 1965 when I was in the 7th Special Forces and was impressed with their training and physical conditioning.
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audiobahn1000
climber
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I have climbed with many SEAL's, over 10. I can tell you as far as climbing goes, they are nothing special. I have seen a SEAL get scared and back off a 5.8 sport climb. At the end of the day being able to kill someone in 500 ways and being to bench press a car means nothing when it comes to climbing, they still have to practice just like any other noob. They are in good shape yes, but they still make the same mistake everyone else does when they start, not using their feet! Those biceps will give out eventually, no mater how often you work them. And they still have the same leading fears anyone else has when they lead their first few climbs.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The son of a friend who lives in Ouray is a new (1 year) Seal and two well-known
climbers brought him up to speed. Being from Ouray he already had a rolling start though.
But I gotta say why did they use 'Geronimo' for bin Laden's code?
That doesn't seem very 'sensitive' these days. Seems like 'Septic Tank' or
something similar would have worked as well.
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luggi
Trad climber
from the backseat of Jake& Elwood Blues car
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I know I have posted this before seemed appropriate today
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audiobahn1000
climber
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Congrads, I got my white belt when I was seven.
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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hats off to them..they are some of the hardest men.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Oakland -> SLT
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My sis is married to a retired one and there are others in the family.
The quintessential seal is wirey, lean and an endurance freak. Those burdened with excess muscle mass have a harder time surviving buds. Think cross country runner and not power lifter.
I've heard lots of great stories. Those guys are the real deal and even if they don't crush on the stone they can do a lot more and do it well as we've just seen. Hardy bunch indeed.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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^ ^ ^
Hmmm, I don't know about the the above (bergbryce's post, not Locker's).
The retired ones I've seen on the news in the past few days always seem heavyset (to use the polite term). A little fat may help them survive the cold water swims.
Seems like it would be useful to have a collection of SEALs having different body types depending on the mission--high level endurance athletes are incredible at what they do, but I don't see most of them as fighter types. They don't have much muscle, especially upper body.
Who would win in a fistfight--marathoner or sprinter? Even if they're armed, I would expect sprinter to have the advantage due to fast twitch muscles.
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Crillz
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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No need for a fistfight if they just sneak up behind and stab 'em.
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Papillon Rendre
Social climber
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They're in a league of their own, that's for sure.
I read somewhere that a high percentage of these individuals played both water polo and lacrosse in school.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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I have had a few ex SEALS come through my station during their probation period trying to get on the fire department. The ones who really were SEAL's never brag or talk about what they saw or did, they were quiet and and very respectful to everyone.
I also ran across a few rookies who said they were SEAL's but turned out they were not, they were a couple of the most prideful, loudmouthed, arrogant SOB's. The direct opposite of what the real SEAL's were like.
My hats of and respect to the SEALs.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Navy SEALs are normally pretty beefed up dudes.
Cheers to my buddy Louis and a job well done.
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Conrad
climber
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Back in the day i helped Jay Smith with his guiding program. We would go climbing with Dano, Gerberding and a bunch of tough, multi discipline soldiers.
Best story was ice climbing in Rifle. Rule was no leading so they all started soloing. After three days
Wheelbarrow worthy.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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A toast to started it all, no slack Colonial, you can sleep in peace now. Can’t say you failed on this one. Honour to have known you. 2nd/327 Charlie Company: No Fu#king slack
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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lostinshanghai, that's proud. Kudos to the 101st too!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Trained in violence and killing.
Ideal human beings.
More like ideal warriors trained to defend us from them...
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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headshot
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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They are trained in much more than violence.
Many are medics.
Many are multilingual.
Many have highly technical skills.
All this talk over "Geronimo" is silly.
Geronimo killed a lot of terrorists.
(He actually hated the mexicans the most since they killed most of his family in 1858.)
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Oakland -> SLT
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Okay, sitting next to a former SEAL right now (in VA Beach)... Says the huge guys usually didn't last the initial training. Some who made it through decided to bulk up after getting in. Hand to hand combat was more of an emphasis for some teams than others but not really a big emphasis.
Just told me about the 12 nautical mile swim using this "side crawl" stroke, said that was about the toughest thing he had to do.
Edited to add...
Just told me there is a lead climbing school that not all SEALs attend. The goal is for each platoon to have at least one person who could lead a climb. Some of the guys who attend do have some climbing experience, others have none and want to get a "qual". The instructors are experienced climbers. One of his buddies had a very humbling experience on an lengthy unprotected traverse.
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dipper
climber
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Some other seals to appreciate as well...
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WBraun
climber
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In the survival of the fittest the Navy Seal came in last place.
The climbers kicked their asses every time .....
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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SEALs versus Predator versus Alien -- I would pay to see that
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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In the survival of the fittest the Navy Seal came in last place.
The climbers kicked their asses every time ....
If you mean in that crazy proto-reality TV show from the early 80s, I'll take your word for it, I'm sure you'd know.
But if you mean in the real survival of the fittest, the SEALs would kick climbers' asses bad (except for Weld-It)!
Edit--are you sure it was even a real SEAL in the competition--my theory is that virtually everyone who goes around saying they are a SEAL is lying, so we don't even know who the real SEALs are. They're like Jedi/Lord of the Rings guys.
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WBraun
climber
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blahblah blahblahblahblahblahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah
That's all you know .....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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There are so many claiming to be ex SEALs that at one time there was an organization that ran a web site called identiSEAL. It is no longer functioning, but an other site has picked up the slack.
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies.htm
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WBraun
climber
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When I say Seal I mean Seal!!!!
Not some bullsh'it wanna be, has been, once been, never been.
Active military bonafide SEAL.
WTF are you guys?
Some bedroom dreaming mental speculators?
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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If I remember correctly Ron Kauk was the champ at everything, including being afraid of swimming!
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ScottW
Trad climber
CA
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They didn't do so well in the Eco Challenge adventure races either.
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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thought experiment: two buddies, one a climber and the other a SEAL, walk into a bar in the town of your choice. There's one hot girl/woman.
who's going to get laid that night? everyone knows.
that's the acid test.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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no larry,
the woman
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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berg, I hear ya.A lot of people underestimate the 'man' behind the SEAL. I expect them to be cool, nonchalant, and under-the-radar. That is their job.
And this is why they kick ass!!! They never get thanked. They just get 'er done.
Only a very small percentage of us are worthy. Very small. I admire that.
There are brave men that protect us in the night, as we sleep.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Another photo.
Colonel Charles Beckwith
“The MAN” that founded our current Delta Force. He played around with the SAS [British Special Air Service]. Failure on the Iran Hostage Rescue [Operation Eagle Claw]which was one of the first of his missions and didn’t really get over it, retired from Army after that and worked as a security consultant. *dust from sand storms hindered choppers from flying so he was not blame. A congressional hearing on the botched raid created JSOC which he was a part of. Died at home of natural causes at 65.
Remember in Feb/Mar ‘68 he was creating/looking for new stealth team. “Anybody interested” looking at me. I asked what is your survival rate. He said 1 in 5. I was at the time looking at 1 in 10. Said to him “No, thanks I am happy where I am”. Still ended up getting shot two months later in hunting accident over there.
And for Werner on the Survival of the Fittest, he is right that seal was a PPPP PA PA...... PUSSIE.
Werner and Ron ruled at the time.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Read Roberts ridge a month or so ago. Highlites the absurdity when different branches of the service all fight over who gets to fight. Let me play in the sandbox too! It seems clear that Roberts fell out of the chinnook because he was a Seal. According to the chopper pilots, Seals are the only troops that refused to clip safty lines when on the back deck of the choppers. All other soldiers, special forces, rangers etc all clip in. Not the seals they are too cool. They also break out all the windows of the chopper every time they board ship to the point that at the time of that incident there were no replacement windows available in Afganistan. BTW we all payed for those windows.
Marchinkos books left a real sour taste in my mouth. lots of kidnapping tourture and murder. Very little combat. Awarded himself the silver star for action that sounded like a a routine day at work for a line platoon.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Bluey:
A lot of people underestimate the 'man' behind the SEAL. I expect them to be cool, nonchalant, and under-the-radar. That is their job.
And this is why they kick ass!!! They never get thanked. They just get 'er done.
What are you talking about?--Obama thanked the SEAL assassination squad in person.
If it were up to me they would be "thanked" by having to answer for their conduct in court in the various countries where they do whatever they do, and I'm sure lots of other people feel the same way.
Edit--I respect that this is an appreciation thread and I won't interfere with that, but Philo see next post is his usual full of crap self. The Nuremberg defense doesn't cut it.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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NO Blahblah many others don't agree with you. Many others think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Gang should be tried in international court. Not the SpecOps guys who are just following orders.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Radical you're not paying attention.
If you're really in ST6, you don't tell people you're in ST6.
Sorry but your buddy's buddy is one of the few people in the world we can now be absolutely sure is NOT in ST6!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Open your mouth Blah blah it's time to change shoes.
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Chief, that's a cool tribute.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Chief, that is badass!!!
That is why I'm proud of these guys. F*#kin-A, that dude is a hero. Whether he's a SEAL or not. Just proud.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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That's Iceal Hambleton of the Bat 21 story, right? Yeah, that was definitely
worth a MOH!
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Top_Rope
Mountain climber
Queenstown, NZ
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I'd done a modest punch of ROSO in the RAN. Through service, I'd shared a few windy wet days with the USN and US Army on exercises. I've noted that many a pusser and infantry grunt can go just as hard as many-a SF/SO operator for the first 24-hours; it's the ambition and ability to back that up day after day with a healthy sense of humour that sets the best apart.
Seals rock. And I understand that some of them think bad arse alpinists rock too.
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neversummer
Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:50am PT
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"Vengeance is mine, saith the lord".........
but he subcontracts...
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Job well done - again.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
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Navy Seals Raid Somalia Base
Seal Team Six, the same team that killed Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan last year, raided a Somali pirate camp yesterday to rescue an American woman and Danish man being held hostage. Both are aid workers who’d been kidnapped by the pirates last October. Nine pirates were killed in a firefight during yesterday’s attack, and another five taken prisoner.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 25, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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Please to hear they are keeping our boys in shape practicing on 3rd world goons.
This kidnapping rescue should begin to curtail that industry in Somalia.
While this type of violent hit may carry a high level of injustice, it save the lives of millions and is preferable to a large idiotic war.
A big thanks to those who take the orders and put their life on the line to get'er done.
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Stefan Jacobsen
Trad climber
Danmark
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Jan 25, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
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US Navy SEALs strikes again!
Thanks for freeing our (Danish) citizen as well!
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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I was at the Solid Rock gym in San Diego, CA, circa late 1990's, when I watched an incredibly lean and fit climber leading a 5.12 route in the lead cave. After recognizing him on his success, he revealed that he was a Navy SEAL from out at the base on Coronado Island after sharing that I was too was a fellow shipmate. In conversation he also talked of having to keep a sheep alive, after having a mortal wound purposely inflicted, as part of his training. This kid was SWOLE, to say the least!
Since San Diego is the principal homeport of the Naval Pacific Fleet, and having Santee Boulders and Mt. Woodson in my backyard, I encounterd Navy personell and SEALs/wanna-be SEALs quite often. Another memory was of a SEAL named "Kevin" who walked me through the traverse on the Twenty Point Boulder at Santee for the first time after twenty seven years of visiting the place. Being as smart and as fit as those kids are definitely gives them a firm foundation for climbing.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
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One thing, that I find amazing about these guys, is they never seek recognition, nor fame of any kind.
Certainly, that can't be said for the media darlings, who egotistically occupy our sport of climbing.
While climbers risk their lives to serve themselves, Seals risk their lives for a greater purpose, to serve others.
Doing something greater than yourself, is the very definition of a hero.
Probably one of their most honorable attributes. Everyone knows they are the best, but unlike spray-master climbers, they do not brag, and rarely talk about their exploits.
Being a badass is one thing, but never bragging about it is another.
Truly, the most lethal yet honorable soldiers alive today. I have nothing but admiration for these guys, and their missions are NEVER easy...
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
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Hey Chief, former HM2 "Doc" here...how did they approve you for Amphib/BUDS training with your ASD repair on your FITREP? Did they overlook the ramifications for deep dive training? I'd say that was a major SNAFU!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 25, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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Actually, they are ordered to maintain a low profile.
Believe me (I've met a few) these guys DO have egos. Some quite substantial.
But they are an elite that have earned their props.
Understanding that when Mossad send out a kidon team to assassinate somebody it is seen as execution of a legitimate state sanctioned warrant, it is nonetheless much easier to feel good about a rescue mission by SEALs than a "terminate with extreme prejudice" mission.
Osama certainly deserved killing, and the burial at sea was a brilliant twist likely to be repeated on those enemies whose followers are still a problem.
But seeing Americans cheering in the street reminded me of the muslims that cheered 9/11.
We should be better than that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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But seeing Americans cheering in the street reminded me of the muslims that cheered 9/11.
We should be better than that.
I like ya, Ron, but f*#k off on that sentiment!
Do not equivocate the two events lest you fall into a dangerous 'we started everything' Ron Paul trap.
I really do not want go into why we, yes WE, should be allowed a wide berth when we go into action.
As I said before, we go in with the F*#KING MOST RESTAINING AND HUMANE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT that it drives me crazy!!!
I know you know of what I speak. If we can actually bag one of these pieces of demonic sh#t, I really don't care how we do it. And thank God that Obama agrees with me on this.
EDIT: Yeah, the Seals have the humility thing in their sworn credo. Look it up.
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rich sims
Social climber
co
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
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I grew up with them around the pool at the summer parties my dad threw.
Young active and retired guys, 60s to early 70s the younger active guys never hung around long I mean it was mostly an older crowd with kids.
You could feel the energy coming off the active guys almost taste it. They were just back or on the way to Nam.
Never thought how tough my dad was till the time we were parked for the night at Mammoth Hot Springs in a motor home.
Five dudes in a truck ran into the motor home about 1am.
By the time I got out two were on the ground and one was backing up saying mister I don’t want any.
I looked at my suit and tie type dad who I had not in years seen get physical standing in his underwear realizing he had skills this punk never wanted to put to the test.
Ok Werner you were one of the few in my memory who had some real street experience. I mean not the weekend for fun variety.
During one fittest episode I would have liked to see how a seal would have handled Ron P. charge with the jousting sick on the log. I think it would have been tougher for Ron but who knows.
When you go work out with UCLA’s gymnastic team and they can not do your workout yer pretty Fing tough.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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except nowadays, every mission is publicised unfortunately....
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
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Actually, they are ordered to maintain a low profile.
Believe me (I've met a few) these guys DO have egos. Some quite substantial.
But they are an elite that have earned their props.
Understanding that when Mossad send out a kidon team to assassinate somebody it is seen as execution of a legitimate state sanctioned warrant, it is nonetheless much easier to feel good about a rescue mission by SEALs than a "terminate with extreme prejudice" mission.
Osama certainly deserved killing, and the burial at sea was a brilliant twist likely to be repeated on those enemies whose followers are still a problem.
But seeing Americans cheering in the street reminded me of the muslims that cheered 9/11.
We should be better than that.
Agreed I have met several dudes involved with SOF type stuff that were complete dicks...
On that note Erik Prince, a former navy SEAL ( and who started Blackwater international) is supposedly a dick...
He also cheated on his ailing wife and married his mistress... Some good Christian he is....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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Haha! the slagging continues from laughingman. You're right, SEALs are real dicks, but climbers like you are real awesome!!!!
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:34pm PT
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Haha! the slagging continues from laughingman. You're right, SEALs are real dicks, but climbers like you are real awesome!!!!
I said SOF types not SEALS. I know one or two former Navy SEALS that were nice guys.
The several people I am talking about ( they shall not be named) were part of old boys club that comes out of West Point and other OCS schools. For some reason they felt this gave them "Special A-hole privileges" well on leave.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 25, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
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Fair enough, laughingman.
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dmons
climber
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Jan 26, 2012 - 02:06am PT
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no supposedly about it
erik prince is a thieving piece of sh#t
your typical christian liar with a gun
the trash billionaires kids invariable are
Asshole
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 26, 2012 - 02:14am PT
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Hey, I got an opportunity to shoot the Barrett M107A1™ Sniper rifle! Not that I'm but a worm, but I was providing a stand-by at the Iraqi National Guard (ING) range at FOB Hit, Iraq, in '04-05, for our snipers zeroing their weapons, when I was asked, "Ya wanna take a few shots Doc?" by one of our snipers. "Be sure to keep your mouth closed when you pull the trigger," he warned. I didn't quite grasp that one but feeling "like a kid in a candy shop" I layed prone anyhow to bang a few rounds. After loading one of the nearly six inch rounds I eyed a rock in the distance through the scope and pulled the trigger. "BOOM!" the air cracked, my body softly sliding back across the ground, a funnel of dirt filling my mouth from the back wash created by the recoil. "Okay, I get it now," I thought silently while spitting mud from my mouth. Good stuff!
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Jan 26, 2012 - 02:23am PT
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From what Iv'e seen of the Barrett I would never want to touch one of these...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Turn off the music on the vid it sucks...
It's in 14.5×114mm roughly 1.5 times the power of a 50 cal....
Similar to the 20mm auto cannon round....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 26, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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You're right, SEALs are real dicks, but climbers like you are real awesome!!!!
Everybody is a horse's patoot at some point.
Especially SEALS and climbers.
The .50BMG is currently enjoying the same kind of folk status that the .44mag did from Dirty Harry.
But real long shooters have moved on to more sophisticated rounds like 6.5 x 284mm, .338 Lapua, and in the role of the fifty the .416 Barrett.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 26, 2012 - 10:27am PT
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To all you SEAL nuthuggers:
How do you think it would turn out of the Somali kidnappers had US weapons, logistics, and communications, and the SEALS were armed with crappy rifles, sticks, and stones?
If you really want to nuthug the people responsible for US military might, go to your local engineering school and bow down. I'm sure SEALs are tough guys, but they got 'em all over the world, and that don't mean jack squat without modern equipment.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 26, 2012 - 10:38am PT
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We should be better than that.
But we seldom are.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jan 26, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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Hey Bluering, what branch of the service were you in?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Jan 26, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jan 26, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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I truly believe a SEAL with a rock is far more dangerous than a Somali pirate with an AR.
I wouldn't put money on an armed pirate against a bare assed naked Mossad or Spotnitz(sp?) asset either. And I don't care what the Somali has. Everything is NOT equal, will NEVER be equal, and thank God for that. It's just foolish to pretend they might ever be.
Wow didn't have you pegged as a SEAL nuthugger, but that's OK.
I guess we Americans like to have our myths just like everyone else. But if you believe a SEAL with a rock is more dangerous than a Somali pirate with a rifle, you've been sitting around the house watching too many action movies (while puffing a little smokin' material too perhaps?)
Look at the history of the world, my friend, the peeps with the technology kick the ass of the people without it. I'm sure the victors all think they are major tough guys too.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 26, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
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Hey Bluering, what branch of the service were you in?
Boy Scouts, 1st Class
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dmons
climber
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Jan 26, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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"I'm sure the victors all think they are major tough guys too. "
on account of they earning point for creating enemies where before their actions there were none
gotta feed the socialist state the pentagon is forever dependant on
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Jan 26, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
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I wouldn't put money on an armed pirate against a bare assed naked Mossad or Spotnitz(sp?) asset either. And I don't care what the Somali has. Everything is NOT equal, will NEVER be equal, and thank God for that. It's just foolish to pretend they might ever be.
I have my doubts man, If such a statement was true the Chechen separatist would have been destroyed years ago. However they still fight Russian occupation. ( Note; I disprove of terrorism committed in the name of Chechen separatism)
Aljezzera did a program on the fighters...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dmons
climber
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Jan 26, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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the yugos blew nato out of the water back in the 90's
shot down the stealth fighter with a missle built in 61'
tricked us missles into hitting empty fields and allies embassys simple by wiring microwave ovens to run with their doors open while pointed up
the pentagon admits it spent 4 billion dollars on PR last year
the truth has nothng to do with the reality they can create
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 27, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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Wow didn't have you pegged as a SEAL nuthugger, but that's OK.
I guess we Americans like to have our myths just like everyone else. But if you believe a SEAL with a rock is more dangerous than a Somali pirate with a rifle, you've been sitting around the house watching too many action movies (while puffing a little smokin' material too perhaps?)
Look at the history of the world, my friend, the peeps with the technology kick the ass of the people without it. I'm sure the victors all think they are major tough guys too.
Reagrding SEALs and Army Green Berets in particular, do you have any idea of the the endurance, skills, and tactics involved? Why do you think that the wash-out rate is so high in training. Especially amongst SEALs (the water training is brutal).
You can attribute that specialized training to technology, but that is just a result of something else - culture and discipline.
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
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yes,
it called "coddling rapists"
and you do win honorary mention
the jizzwich who spit your sh#t out must be proud
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
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anything to avoid keeping the peace eh?
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labrat
Trad climber
Nevada City, CA
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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fattrad,
Disagree on the capabilities of the high end law enforcement vs. SEAL teams.
Last time I checked they don't use HALO and Submarines for their missions. I don't doubt they are highly trained and capable but the naval and marine operators are in a league by themselves. I would not be surprised if the law enforcement section you are talking about has members that were prior team members given the area they are located.
Erik
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
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he was strictly speaking of their willingness to shoot a 10 year old girl in the face
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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dmons has some serious 'degenerate punk' issues. So it's obvious he'd have little respect for Spec Ops guys or the military in general.
And "jizzwich"??? Are you attempting to insult my mother, you rotten little piece of sh#t? You are almost unworthy of contempt. You are a worm, but I usually try to help stranded, sunning worms, so you a couple of tiers lower.
I find it impossible to garner any respect for you and your ilk. You are a dick, sir.
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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if i was anything of the sort you wouldnt have bothered to reply
but since you did,
yes, your moms birthed a f*#king whore
ive no comment on that fact; given youve several thousand posts which more than prove the point
was she a whore?
hard to say; easy to say she abandoned you to false idols at a youth and abandoned her responsibility to deliver an adult to the society which subsidized her spawn
not exactly a whore,
more like a welfare queen who slept in whenever you need help with homework
now back to you and your faithless propensity to sell your fellows out on a dime
care to get over your butthurtz panty waste antisemitism and explain where ive got this wrap up of your online character wrong?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
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but since you did,
yes, your moms birthed a f*#king whore
ive no comment on that fact; given youve several thousand posts which more than prove the point
was she a whore?
hard to say; easy to say she abandoned you to false idols at a youth and abandoned her responsibility to deliver an adult to the society which subsidized her spawn
not exactly a whore,
more like a welfare queen who slept in whenever you need help with homework
Maybe you're right. We should hook up and go climbing and discuss this. Maybe you're right.
now back to you and your faithless propensity to sell your fellows out on a dime
care to get over your butthurtz panty waste antisemitism and explain where ive got this wrap up of your online character wrong?
Again, I may be wrong. Let's go climbing or meet up and talk about this stuff. You may be right.
Where do you climb at? Let's hook up and do some climbs and calmly talk about where I'm wrong.
Thanks for the insights!
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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all the faint,
no substance,
nothing of meaning
cue the dogs tail tween the legs
so, you cant explain yourself?
nothing to outline the definitions of your words,
the meaning of the phrases you use
no insite into what drive?
notice folks,
he makes it nice nice and easy to change his mind and opinions on a dime the second some rich fat white as#@&%e tells em to think differnt
isnt that the credo of the almightly dollar"
imagine sucking the dollars penis getting you anywhere here
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
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yes tradie,
we know quite well the public is subject to rashes of libarys being torched in driving distance of where ever you hang your floppy hat
what is it
some stalin loving employment agency you cant quite get a favorable nod from?
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 09:53pm PT
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speaking of justice,
which side of the jail attrocities are you on these days?
cornfed white as#@&%es started gang in mens central jail in order to make money gambling and selling contraband into lockup
senior jail commanders when confronted with the fact moved to break up these as#@&%es association
but our sherif bent over and took rank and file intimidation up the a*#
then choose to ignore his senior officials soas to coddle the gangbangers in uniform who were intimidating him
intimidation; law enforcements bread and butter
whos back you got here tradie?
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dmons
climber
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Jan 27, 2012 - 10:47pm PT
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wtf?
what do you mean limited range?
rebreathers allow divers greater bottom time
the only way you exceed ones range is to tow a string of air tanks
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 27, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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them navy seals can run 20 miles on the beach with the traveling stenographer on their backs,
who here has a traveling stenographer?
why did the titanic sink, bad rivets or poor design?
why only 50 percent life boats?
did anybody tip the band?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jan 27, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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Not even a special ops type, but how many stateside SAR teams could deal with this by themselves?
A bit of a busy day for one medic!
31 avalanche victims and a chopper crash.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123287523
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 27, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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dmons won't even tells us where he's from or who he's ever climbed with from here, alas he goes into the unofficial 'troll-book and as#@&%es' file of mine.
Not many reside there...I still watch 'em, just ignore them mostly.
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dmons
climber
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Jan 28, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
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quite the pussy there blue
i see locker already posted its jpeg
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jan 28, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
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Traveling Stenographer, good reference man, though I may be the only one who gets it.
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dmons
climber
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Jan 28, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
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high praise for code language;
as if this place couldnt get more white trash
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Morgan, I saw that piece too. I commented earlier in this thread that the 'advertisement' of our SEAL operations is unusal and not wanted by the SEALs.
The only recognition they like is from their peers in the military. They take pride in getting the most difficult assaignments. They DO NOT like their exploits going public.
They're supposed to be covert ops, not publicized.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Morgan, I saw that piece too. I commented earlier in this thread that the 'advertisement' of our SEAL operations is unusal and not wanted by the SEALs.
The only recognition they like is from their peers in the military. They take pride in getting the most difficult assaignments. They DO NOT like their exploits going public.
They're supposed to be covert ops, not publicized.
I'm not really that concerned what the SEALs "want" (as if you have any idea). Obama is the commander and chief and he will decide how our military resources are best used. That may well involve highly publicizing (and even exaggerating) our special operations capability to use as a deterrent.
Remember that the actual SEALS are extremely low on the food chain (are they even officers?) and have no real strategic responsibility.
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FeelioBabar
Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
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My father was a HAL-3 Seawolf Pilot in the Delta and worked closely with many SEAL teams.
God bless these warriors.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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When you publicize their operations and their capabilities, you are undermining them.
Covert operations.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/us/esquire-navy-seal/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
'Nightmare' at home for SEAL who shot Osama bin Laden
(CNN) -- He's the man who rolled into a bedroom in Abbottabad, Pakistan, raised his gun and shot Osama bin Laden three times in the forehead.
Nearly two years later, the SEAL Team Six member is a secret celebrity with nothing to show for the deed; no job, no pension, no recognition outside a small circle of colleagues.
Journalist Phil Bronstein profiled the man in the March issue of Esquire, calling him only the Shooter -- a husband, father and SEAL Team Six member who happened to pull the trigger on the notorious terrorist. It's a detailed account of how the raid unfolded, and what comes after for those involved. The headline splashed across the cover reads, "The man who killed Osama bin Laden ... is screwed."
http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313
The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed
For the first time, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden tells his story — speaking not just about the raid and the three shots that changed history, but about the personal aftermath for himself and his family. And the startling failure of the United States government to help its most experienced and skilled warriors carry on with their lives.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 11, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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The term that comes to mind "Left out in the cold" know it well.
Definition: unwanted
Synonyms: blackballed, excluded, inadmissible, left out in the cold , not in the picture, not wanted, rejected, shut out, unasked, undesired, unpopular, unsolicited, unwelcome
Also “take a hike”
Hope he sues the government. That will get their attention
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Feb 11, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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'Hope he sues the government'
Good luck with that.
He knows he needed to serve his 20 to get benefits. He could (should) have signed up for the reserves and still received them. Why did he stop at 18?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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The Shooter is judicious about the details of his story and hasn't been involved in dramatic books, movies or video games that will make millions for some. It's out of loyalty to his work and concern about his family's safety,
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 11, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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His attorney would have the government hand over documents in his defense, sensitive ones that could compromise security of the US and likely deal out of court.
They would use some of those 2 billion US dollars in currency that went missing in the Iraq war number years back during Bush and President Cheney term of office.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 11, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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That makes 2 disgruntled ex military guys this week...Be all that you can be...
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 11, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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His argument comes from the dysfunctional government apparatus. One for the safety for his family and the other time it takes to get help.
A couple of years ago all those in DOD and currently in DOD have to use the VA system for their health.
Budget problems either more drones or health. Congress chose drones over health. Now everyone is processed through the VA. Overloading: 9 months just to get to see a doctor for a start. “I have problem Doc or my wife, son or myself”. Tests another 3 months, after these tests another month for any action. Medications instead of solving the problem which can take another 6 months.
The only thing we were awarded when we got back was the best [two] filet steaks that cut like butter. Then it was bye, bye: so long, take it easy.
College education paid for, low interest on buying a home which no bank wanted to touch and that was it.
As for us coming back trying to get employment remember when I went in there was another guy who was less qualified, when the question came up about serving in the Army, guy who was doing the hiring turned white and said “don’t think so, bye”.
Trying to get insurance for my car, agent said well you do have a record of not driving for a couple of years, told him I was running around in the mountains hunting. He still said well you still need to have some proof of a driving record. So thinking how stupid this guy is, I said I drove a tank does that count. Got the insurance.
Sad, not only this hero but everyone else coming out same problems. He should be able for Social Security unemployment. Then that will take months.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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Everybody knows that if you don't finish 20 you don't get the full deal.
Guys with 14-16-18 are even more acutely aware of this than anyone.
Why did this guy split after 16?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
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Excuse me but, can anyone here state why this Frog is any different from any of the hundreds of thousands of Combat Vet's that leaves the Servic?
Yes, I don't think that he should be treated any different from the vets who didn't shoot Bin Laden. It's still too bad though.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
And if the sh#t hits the fan hard enough, you'll be begging to have as many of them as possible on your team....
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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You're referring to the Apocalypse?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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Big, muscular guys that prefer the company of other guys while sharing a toothbrush and snuggling for warmth... sounds like alpine climbers.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
I've only met one, but he earned my greatest respect long before I found out he had been a SEAL.
John
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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Why did this guy split after 16?
Continuous war.
A lot of these guys don't know how to quit. If someone is going to fight, then they often have a hard time transitioning to watching someone else go, or being in a position to send someone else. Some guys can handle the transition. Others can't.
I believe I read that he did 12 tours overseas in combat situations. Thats a lot.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Let's support all our armed forces by reducing their size to a level that is at all comparable to any other major country in the world. We'll get rid of at least of half of all the armed forces, save a bunch of money, and take a little better care of the remainder.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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Continuous war.
John, I am completely sympathetic to this aspect, but he did however volunteer for the SEALS.
There is currently no clause that says you get full retirement, unless you volunteer for special ops and are subjected to far more than the usual amount of deployment and or combat missions.
I feel for him and his family, but SEALS is what he actually busted his tail for. They're not known for their sweet comfy safe deployments.
He knew this.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Sure he knew it. But I doubt that anyone could be prepared for the kind of continuous war that we have been fighting.
You take a young man who is full of vim and vinegar and there just isn't anyway for him to know what it will be like when that inner force is diminished. Thats what age and wisdom is suppose to bring. We as the elders are the ones responsible for protecting these young men from their own enthusiasm. Maybe time in shouldn't be the only qualifying factor. Its a tough call, but we have not ever had a time in our history where we have been at war for so long. Especially not fighting 2 fronts. This is something that people like fattrad, with his calls for continuous wars did not understand.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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I hear you.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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I hope this story gets more coverage. People need a better understanding of the real cost of war. There are thousands of ways it cost us. And it costs those who fight in them.
And I'm not saying that we should pension everyone. I'm just saying that most of our focus is on the heroics. And we fail to see the long term costs.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 12, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
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The Chief,
Fact is, he, being an "Operator" with extensive combat time, is most likely qualified for numerous VA disability bene's that will add up to a couple grand a month for life.
What makes you think they [VA] will award him 100% which is close to 3 grand? The most he will end up would be around 50% which is only under $900.00 a month.
Plus the VA is not the greatest in health care. As for surgery sure he might get a great doc but still 80/20% chance of getting it right. As for seeing his first interview on his conditions it will still take after 9 months of starting to get help and months to correct the problem.
And as for the meds VA only can afford certain ones since they are expensive. They are still using 50 year old medications. Met one guy that is taking one that is $100.00 3x a day plus $$ for a few others to mellow him out. That is just one returning Vet that waited a year to get into the VA system. Hear it all the time.
VA Seeks to Reduce Claims Process Time
Week of February 11, 2013
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
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Chief, Perhaps you forgot, or didn't notice. But lostinShanghia is a combat vet from Vietnam. Maybe times have gotten better. I certainly hope so.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 12, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
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You help so much, how many Vets do you tell the side effects of their medications that are causing many problems and booze making it worse.
Sounds like that is your problem maybe you should stop drinking and see the light instead of crawling in the dark.
Get out of the past and move on. Cry baby.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 12, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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The Cheif is taking time to help folks using whatever expertise he has gained. That's really what matters most it seems to me. Who can you really help and is that a priority for you.
He sure presents a prickly exterior on this forum and seems to enjoy the confrontations too.. lol
On every level that sounds like a USN Cheif to me.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 12, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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"Truly amazing how folks as yourself constantly need to resort to personal insults as your strength to attempt to prove your invalid points."
"
Now that is class."
Have you read any of your old posts seems maybe go back and see yourself in the mirror. Look like you needed anger management but you erased those.
As for my rating 100%; on a classified mission in '68, was declassified by Bush a few years back; a tale what was going to happen 8 months later in A Shaw Valley and the future.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Feb 15, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
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The army has some rad guys too.
A friend of mine:
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Mar 27, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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I'm sure he is, looks like he's been to a ton of schools, I dunno many of those ribbons, but that's an Infantry Badge, it's not a Combat Infantry Badge. Just sayin'
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Mar 27, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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He's since been in combat...old picture, he's also an LTC now.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 27, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 27, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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Navy Seal on one of the survival of the fittest was in last place on the survival run.
All the climbers left him in the dust by a mile he was far back there.
Bad ass climbers make navy seals look bad .......
Climbers also kicked Army Rangers asses too!
Give Dean Potter a gun and train him to kill and he'll take out all the Navy Seals .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 27, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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Werner, being a SEAL is about endurance and fatigue whilst persevering on radical assaignments.
Fitness is just one aspect. Being a SEAL is also a head-game that Potter would probably sh#t his pants in.
SEALs are the ultimate in combat surveillance and combat. Climbers are different,.
My links again;
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/469758/SEa-Air-Land
I did this before, but yeah, I appreciate them!!!
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Mar 27, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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I have been fortunate enough to have the privilege to work with the SEALs. I cannot emphasize enough what a privilege and an honor it is for me to get to share my passion and skills of climbing with these guys. Working and getting to know some of the team guys over the last couple of years have given me a whole new perspective on what the teams and all military personnel actually do for every single person that lives under our flag.
I have been very lucky as a climber and what climbing has given back to me. Big trips, filming projects, rigging gigs, whatever it may be, getting to work with the Naval special forces is by far, the pinnacle of my climbing career.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 27, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
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Seals are not normal human beings:
WTF is the matter with you?
You watch a you tube video and then know Navy seal?
Be careful now.
I'm warning you.
better watch out .......
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 27, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
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Bad ass climbers make navy seals look bad .......
No sh#t, when I was in Afghanistan they all stayed in the base. The Afghans hate the foreign troops more than anything in the world, that's probably why. I usually wore a shalwar kamiz and fit in fine. Here's a picture of me ten years ago on the *outside* of the Bagram base:
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 28, 2013 - 12:01am PT
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Don Paul
That's a big gun you have there.
I don't think Joe Hedge will approve. :-)
Then again the doctor Ken thinks they're not normal humans.
We're all born, eat, sleep, mate, bleed and die. Where's not normal?
The only time things change is when the mission starts and the switch turns on.
The dentist does the same thing when it's time to pull the tooth .....
:-)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 28, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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SEALs are not common or normal. They are unusual flukes in the types of people we would task with the job of dropping EVERYTHING on a minutes notice to obey their orders from the Pentagon.
This is not like doing bong-hits and soloing Half Dome. These SEALs have to live life on the edge. And their families do too!
They have to go on a moments notice! They have to go into combat instantly. They have to be ready!
Potter? John Long? Bachar? Braun? I don't think so.
But of those 4, Werner might be best adjusted.....
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Mar 28, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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Being a SEAL is also a head-game that Potter would probably sh#t his pants in.
biggest involuntary laugh of the month, made my month for sure. thanks
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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Potter WILL make your head spin Blue .....
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Mar 29, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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I was once introduced as 'An Outstanding American' by my Commanding General.
The audience figured I was a Brit - Doh!
Steve
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Mar 29, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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As to whether or not top notch climbers would be good in combat......
Well, some would, but being good at either doesn't guarantee you would be able to cope with the other. When you're climbing you might think the mountain is trying to kill you - but of course it isn't....
When you are in a dirty fire fight you know the bastards on the other side are trying to kill you and IMHO you have much less control over the outcome.
Some folks get habituated to either and cope admirably, and at one level some of the characteristics are the same. But I wouldn't put a lot of money on all hot shot climbers being any use in a trench.
Steve
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 29, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
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It's just an old Russian tank, there's hundreds of them everywhere. It's dangerous to take one step off that road. The whole place is a minefield and there are red markers that mean it hasnt been cleared. Afterwards my friends told me never to do this again, since the tanks may be booby trapped. In fact, Afghanistan has part of the Hindu Kush and it would be a great destination for climbing, except for the land mines. The insurgents like the mountains too.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 29, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
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You never did it,
in the dark
from 35,000 feet
in close formation with for or five others
with a 100 lb pack between your legs.
and opened at 1,000 AGL or less
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 29, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
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Never said I did.
But you know a lot of about this stuff!
Tell us your personal tales of military courage!
How many episodes of "Surviving the Cut" did you watch from your couch?
Um, you don't have to be a SEAL to appreciate how grueling their training and missions are. They have to organize missions at the drop of a hat from the DOD/CIA. They are constantly ready to go, and with amazing professionalism/integrity/clarity.
They are the best. The British SAS is pretty close though.
Lithuanians are supposed to be "crazy" hardcore too!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 29, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
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My boy throws airborne pukes off his plane for a living almost weekly.
Worked the HALO school for a month or two as well.
As an electrician and electrical contractor I worked hot circuits for years,all the way to 12KV.
Nothing compares to what these guys do just for practice.
BTW Seals, or Berets don't have to pass or even take that class to keep their jobs.
The AF TAC guys do.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
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Um, you don't have to be a SEAL to appreciate how grueling their training and missions are. They have to organize missions at the drop of a hat from the DOD/CIA. They are constantly ready to go, and with amazing professionalism/integrity/clarity.
They are the best.
Word.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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I do respect the the military. I respect anybody that has a tough job and does it well. But the idea that people in the military are more altruistic than others is bullsh#t.
You want altruism? Join the Peace Corps and send us a postcard.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 29, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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Yeah, American military troops are very professional. Sometimes too much so for my taste, but they are the best.
Know why? Because nobody else does anything! We have to go first and catch all the BS criticism.
F*#k everybody else and our detractors. I can count on one hand the military troopers I have respect for.
Australia, Canada, France, Britain, Lithuania. O.k., Israel too....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 29, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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Speaking for myself I would be wary about going up against a bunch of Rooskie Spetsnaz.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 31, 2013 - 11:09am PT
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Speaking for myself I would be wary about going up against a bunch of Rooskie Spetsnaz.
Oops, yeah, the spetznaz dudes are on par with our SEALs. Those dudes are tough!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 31, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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Well coz, I recall a comment by a SEAL about a butane lighter, so I am not so sure about your promotion comment, but I know it was a by product of testosterone fueled bravado.
Certainly they are our best, and their training is rigorous.
They are a precision scalpel in a very large tool box.
Kos' link seems to dead end at #10 (taxi driver).
I wonder if "climbing guide" is on the list. Seems to me that it exceeds the fatality rate of crab fishing.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 31, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
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Ya never understood the anger torwards are troops. Who keep us safe.and ask for nothing in return.
I'm now going on my 24 year working with the Navy and can say they are tougher, stronger, and smarter than 99% of the top climber I've climbed with.
Many, Many have died, so many that at one point, I lost most of the men I'd been training to injury, death or PTSD.
They never promote themselves, and never question why, they give their all to take out people who would kill us without remorse for just believing in equality and justice for all. They rescue those being held hostage and being tortured, raped and murdered.
They are not appreciated by the liberal media, or by the white elite who make up are self absorbed climbing community.
But they deserve our respect and gratitude, and on this spiritual day honoring a man who gave his life for a power greater than himself, perhaps we should take a moment to honor the fallen who never asked for anything and paid the ultimate sacrifice so we can live in peace.
Well said, Scott!
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