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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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Everybody knows that if you don't finish 20 you don't get the full deal.
Guys with 14-16-18 are even more acutely aware of this than anyone.
Why did this guy split after 16?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
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Excuse me but, can anyone here state why this Frog is any different from any of the hundreds of thousands of Combat Vet's that leaves the Servic?
Yes, I don't think that he should be treated any different from the vets who didn't shoot Bin Laden. It's still too bad though.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
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They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
And if the sh#t hits the fan hard enough, you'll be begging to have as many of them as possible on your team....
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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You're referring to the Apocalypse?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Feb 12, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
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Big, muscular guys that prefer the company of other guys while sharing a toothbrush and snuggling for warmth... sounds like alpine climbers.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
I've only met one, but he earned my greatest respect long before I found out he had been a SEAL.
John
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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Why did this guy split after 16?
Continuous war.
A lot of these guys don't know how to quit. If someone is going to fight, then they often have a hard time transitioning to watching someone else go, or being in a position to send someone else. Some guys can handle the transition. Others can't.
I believe I read that he did 12 tours overseas in combat situations. Thats a lot.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 12, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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Let's support all our armed forces by reducing their size to a level that is at all comparable to any other major country in the world. We'll get rid of at least of half of all the armed forces, save a bunch of money, and take a little better care of the remainder.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
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Continuous war.
John, I am completely sympathetic to this aspect, but he did however volunteer for the SEALS.
There is currently no clause that says you get full retirement, unless you volunteer for special ops and are subjected to far more than the usual amount of deployment and or combat missions.
I feel for him and his family, but SEALS is what he actually busted his tail for. They're not known for their sweet comfy safe deployments.
He knew this.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Sure he knew it. But I doubt that anyone could be prepared for the kind of continuous war that we have been fighting.
You take a young man who is full of vim and vinegar and there just isn't anyway for him to know what it will be like when that inner force is diminished. Thats what age and wisdom is suppose to bring. We as the elders are the ones responsible for protecting these young men from their own enthusiasm. Maybe time in shouldn't be the only qualifying factor. Its a tough call, but we have not ever had a time in our history where we have been at war for so long. Especially not fighting 2 fronts. This is something that people like fattrad, with his calls for continuous wars did not understand.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
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I hear you.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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I hope this story gets more coverage. People need a better understanding of the real cost of war. There are thousands of ways it cost us. And it costs those who fight in them.
And I'm not saying that we should pension everyone. I'm just saying that most of our focus is on the heroics. And we fail to see the long term costs.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 12, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
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The Chief,
Fact is, he, being an "Operator" with extensive combat time, is most likely qualified for numerous VA disability bene's that will add up to a couple grand a month for life.
What makes you think they [VA] will award him 100% which is close to 3 grand? The most he will end up would be around 50% which is only under $900.00 a month.
Plus the VA is not the greatest in health care. As for surgery sure he might get a great doc but still 80/20% chance of getting it right. As for seeing his first interview on his conditions it will still take after 9 months of starting to get help and months to correct the problem.
And as for the meds VA only can afford certain ones since they are expensive. They are still using 50 year old medications. Met one guy that is taking one that is $100.00 3x a day plus $$ for a few others to mellow him out. That is just one returning Vet that waited a year to get into the VA system. Hear it all the time.
VA Seeks to Reduce Claims Process Time
Week of February 11, 2013
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
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Chief, Perhaps you forgot, or didn't notice. But lostinShanghia is a combat vet from Vietnam. Maybe times have gotten better. I certainly hope so.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 12, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
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You help so much, how many Vets do you tell the side effects of their medications that are causing many problems and booze making it worse.
Sounds like that is your problem maybe you should stop drinking and see the light instead of crawling in the dark.
Get out of the past and move on. Cry baby.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 12, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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The Cheif is taking time to help folks using whatever expertise he has gained. That's really what matters most it seems to me. Who can you really help and is that a priority for you.
He sure presents a prickly exterior on this forum and seems to enjoy the confrontations too.. lol
On every level that sounds like a USN Cheif to me.
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