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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 1, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
Morgan, I saw that piece too. I commented earlier in this thread that the 'advertisement' of our SEAL operations is unusal and not wanted by the SEALs.

The only recognition they like is from their peers in the military. They take pride in getting the most difficult assaignments. They DO NOT like their exploits going public.

They're supposed to be covert ops, not publicized.

I'm not really that concerned what the SEALs "want" (as if you have any idea). Obama is the commander and chief and he will decide how our military resources are best used. That may well involve highly publicizing (and even exaggerating) our special operations capability to use as a deterrent.
Remember that the actual SEALS are extremely low on the food chain (are they even officers?) and have no real strategic responsibility.
FeelioBabar

Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
Feb 1, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
My father was a HAL-3 Seawolf Pilot in the Delta and worked closely with many SEAL teams.

God bless these warriors.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 1, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
When you publicize their operations and their capabilities, you are undermining them.

Covert operations.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/us/esquire-navy-seal/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



'Nightmare' at home for SEAL who shot Osama bin Laden


(CNN) -- He's the man who rolled into a bedroom in Abbottabad, Pakistan, raised his gun and shot Osama bin Laden three times in the forehead.
Nearly two years later, the SEAL Team Six member is a secret celebrity with nothing to show for the deed; no job, no pension, no recognition outside a small circle of colleagues.

Journalist Phil Bronstein profiled the man in the March issue of Esquire, calling him only the Shooter -- a husband, father and SEAL Team Six member who happened to pull the trigger on the notorious terrorist. It's a detailed account of how the raid unfolded, and what comes after for those involved. The headline splashed across the cover reads, "The man who killed Osama bin Laden ... is screwed."




http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313

The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

For the first time, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden tells his story — speaking not just about the raid and the three shots that changed history, but about the personal aftermath for himself and his family. And the startling failure of the United States government to help its most experienced and skilled warriors carry on with their lives.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
The term that comes to mind "Left out in the cold" know it well.

Definition: unwanted

Synonyms: blackballed, excluded, inadmissible, left out in the cold , not in the picture, not wanted, rejected, shut out, unasked, undesired, unpopular, unsolicited, unwelcome

Also “take a hike”

Hope he sues the government. That will get their attention
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
'Hope he sues the government'

Good luck with that.

He knows he needed to serve his 20 to get benefits. He could (should) have signed up for the reserves and still received them. Why did he stop at 18?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
The Shooter is judicious about the details of his story and hasn't been involved in dramatic books, movies or video games that will make millions for some. It's out of loyalty to his work and concern about his family's safety,
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
His attorney would have the government hand over documents in his defense, sensitive ones that could compromise security of the US and likely deal out of court.

They would use some of those 2 billion US dollars in currency that went missing in the Iraq war number years back during Bush and President Cheney term of office.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
That makes 2 disgruntled ex military guys this week...Be all that you can be...
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
His argument comes from the dysfunctional government apparatus. One for the safety for his family and the other time it takes to get help.

A couple of years ago all those in DOD and currently in DOD have to use the VA system for their health.

Budget problems either more drones or health. Congress chose drones over health. Now everyone is processed through the VA. Overloading: 9 months just to get to see a doctor for a start. “I have problem Doc or my wife, son or myself”. Tests another 3 months, after these tests another month for any action. Medications instead of solving the problem which can take another 6 months.

The only thing we were awarded when we got back was the best [two] filet steaks that cut like butter. Then it was bye, bye: so long, take it easy.

College education paid for, low interest on buying a home which no bank wanted to touch and that was it.

As for us coming back trying to get employment remember when I went in there was another guy who was less qualified, when the question came up about serving in the Army, guy who was doing the hiring turned white and said “don’t think so, bye”.

Trying to get insurance for my car, agent said well you do have a record of not driving for a couple of years, told him I was running around in the mountains hunting. He still said well you still need to have some proof of a driving record. So thinking how stupid this guy is, I said I drove a tank does that count. Got the insurance.

Sad, not only this hero but everyone else coming out same problems. He should be able for Social Security unemployment. Then that will take months.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Excuse me but, can anyone here state why this Frog is any different from any of the hundreds of thousands of Combat Vet's that leaves the Service?

Anyone that "Volunteers" for service these days, regardless the duty they conduct, is informed from day one that on departure from service, they will only have the VA to follow through with for any medical bene's. That is why we are all informed prior to our departure where and when to go after one leaves.

Fact is, he, being an "Operator" with extensive combat time, is most likely qualified for numerous VA disability bene's that will add up to a couple grand a month for life.

All he has to do is what the rest of us Combat Vets had to do in order to collect it.

The process has been extensively revamped for the better in the last 5 years. VA Disability application turn around these days runs no more than 120-180 days max with retro pay from the day of departure. Expecially for those recently discharged from active duty that have all their med and personal records with them.

Also, once they are in the VA Med System by submitting their Disability Application, they are entitled to immediate medical benefits for life.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Everybody knows that if you don't finish 20 you don't get the full deal.

Guys with 14-16-18 are even more acutely aware of this than anyone.


Why did this guy split after 16?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Excuse me but, can anyone here state why this Frog is any different from any of the hundreds of thousands of Combat Vet's that leaves the Servic?

Yes, I don't think that he should be treated any different from the vets who didn't shoot Bin Laden. It's still too bad though.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Fact is the system has gotten 100 times better since I retired 14 years ago.

I assist local Vets in getting their deserved bene's. Fact is, I completed helping a local Vietnam Vet just last Fall. He got a retro check for some $82K as well as pay to cover all of his past related med expenses from his approved Disability. He is now rated at 100%. He is the fourth Vietnam Vet I assisted in the past six years get their due VA benefits that bottom line either gave up on the "Old" system or were just not aware of the goods afforded them.

Sadly, ignorance of what Combat Vets have coming to them is a prevailing issue as well.

So this isn't just a one sided story.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.


And if the sh#t hits the fan hard enough, you'll be begging to have as many of them as possible on your team....
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
You're referring to the Apocalypse?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Big, muscular guys that prefer the company of other guys while sharing a toothbrush and snuggling for warmth... sounds like alpine climbers.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.

I've only met one, but he earned my greatest respect long before I found out he had been a SEAL.

John
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