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lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
The term that comes to mind "Left out in the cold" know it well.

Definition: unwanted

Synonyms: blackballed, excluded, inadmissible, left out in the cold , not in the picture, not wanted, rejected, shut out, unasked, undesired, unpopular, unsolicited, unwelcome

Also “take a hike”

Hope he sues the government. That will get their attention
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Feb 11, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
'Hope he sues the government'

Good luck with that.

He knows he needed to serve his 20 to get benefits. He could (should) have signed up for the reserves and still received them. Why did he stop at 18?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
The Shooter is judicious about the details of his story and hasn't been involved in dramatic books, movies or video games that will make millions for some. It's out of loyalty to his work and concern about his family's safety,
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
His attorney would have the government hand over documents in his defense, sensitive ones that could compromise security of the US and likely deal out of court.

They would use some of those 2 billion US dollars in currency that went missing in the Iraq war number years back during Bush and President Cheney term of office.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 11, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
That makes 2 disgruntled ex military guys this week...Be all that you can be...
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Feb 11, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
His argument comes from the dysfunctional government apparatus. One for the safety for his family and the other time it takes to get help.

A couple of years ago all those in DOD and currently in DOD have to use the VA system for their health.

Budget problems either more drones or health. Congress chose drones over health. Now everyone is processed through the VA. Overloading: 9 months just to get to see a doctor for a start. “I have problem Doc or my wife, son or myself”. Tests another 3 months, after these tests another month for any action. Medications instead of solving the problem which can take another 6 months.

The only thing we were awarded when we got back was the best [two] filet steaks that cut like butter. Then it was bye, bye: so long, take it easy.

College education paid for, low interest on buying a home which no bank wanted to touch and that was it.

As for us coming back trying to get employment remember when I went in there was another guy who was less qualified, when the question came up about serving in the Army, guy who was doing the hiring turned white and said “don’t think so, bye”.

Trying to get insurance for my car, agent said well you do have a record of not driving for a couple of years, told him I was running around in the mountains hunting. He still said well you still need to have some proof of a driving record. So thinking how stupid this guy is, I said I drove a tank does that count. Got the insurance.

Sad, not only this hero but everyone else coming out same problems. He should be able for Social Security unemployment. Then that will take months.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Everybody knows that if you don't finish 20 you don't get the full deal.

Guys with 14-16-18 are even more acutely aware of this than anyone.


Why did this guy split after 16?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Excuse me but, can anyone here state why this Frog is any different from any of the hundreds of thousands of Combat Vet's that leaves the Servic?

Yes, I don't think that he should be treated any different from the vets who didn't shoot Bin Laden. It's still too bad though.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
They're a bunch of assassins if you ask me.


And if the sh#t hits the fan hard enough, you'll be begging to have as many of them as possible on your team....
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
You're referring to the Apocalypse?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 12, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Big, muscular guys that prefer the company of other guys while sharing a toothbrush and snuggling for warmth... sounds like alpine climbers.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
The only ex-seals I have known were total nutballs. Just saying.

I've only met one, but he earned my greatest respect long before I found out he had been a SEAL.

John
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Why did this guy split after 16?

Continuous war.

A lot of these guys don't know how to quit. If someone is going to fight, then they often have a hard time transitioning to watching someone else go, or being in a position to send someone else. Some guys can handle the transition. Others can't.

I believe I read that he did 12 tours overseas in combat situations. Thats a lot.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 12, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Let's support all our armed forces by reducing their size to a level that is at all comparable to any other major country in the world. We'll get rid of at least of half of all the armed forces, save a bunch of money, and take a little better care of the remainder.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Continuous war.


John, I am completely sympathetic to this aspect, but he did however volunteer for the SEALS.

There is currently no clause that says you get full retirement, unless you volunteer for special ops and are subjected to far more than the usual amount of deployment and or combat missions.

I feel for him and his family, but SEALS is what he actually busted his tail for. They're not known for their sweet comfy safe deployments.
He knew this.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 12, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
The bunch that are really geting screwed are Hassan's victims of "workplace violence" at Ft. Hood

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-hero-obama-betrayed-victims/story?id=18465024
John M

climber
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Sure he knew it. But I doubt that anyone could be prepared for the kind of continuous war that we have been fighting.

You take a young man who is full of vim and vinegar and there just isn't anyway for him to know what it will be like when that inner force is diminished. Thats what age and wisdom is suppose to bring. We as the elders are the ones responsible for protecting these young men from their own enthusiasm. Maybe time in shouldn't be the only qualifying factor. Its a tough call, but we have not ever had a time in our history where we have been at war for so long. Especially not fighting 2 fronts. This is something that people like fattrad, with his calls for continuous wars did not understand.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 12, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
I hear you.
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