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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 11, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
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Jim has never said anything in support of me, nor you
Step back from the keyboard, man. Both Jim B and I are broadly in agreement with your political position, and yet because we don't bow down and worshipfully agree with every word you post, you assume we're your enemies.
The world is not made up of only worshipers and enemies. And dumping the hate bucket on everybody who doesn't cup your balls every time you post is a path to serious unhappiness.
Take a break. Go climbing. Work with your cactus garden. Or whatever you do in life when you're not angrily pounding your keyboard.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
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wow
the PC police don't like me posting
what a revelation.
Maybe you should stop pounding the key board, what has been your contribution as far as substance?
It's not me that's angry, not by a long shot.
Get used to the stuff you dish out, take a look back .... I see a long trail of insults
Isn't this about bin laden?
does it matter how he died?
why didn't Bush take him as a prisoner when he was offered to us by Afghanistan in 2001?
Was he paid by the CIA all this time?
Reagan paid him back in the eighties, how do we know that they ever cut off the money?
Bush was in business with the bin Laden's, the only planes that Bush allowed to fly after 911 were the bin Laden's escaping America, it's a crazy web of lies, that's for sure
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 09:03pm PT
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Thanks Jim
I will note that in my journal.
Now again, what was I wrong about??
isn't it more disingenuous to accuse someone as being wrong, and when asked what the specific was, just ignoring the request.
I guess you really mean that there was nothing that I said that was wrong, but just said it anyway.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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So, JB, what do you suppose trying to reason with the Chairman of the ST Robespierre
Chowder and Marching Society says about you, eh?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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OK Jim
Thanks
now let's move on past this unfortunate event.
we shall never speak of it again
and of course I'm not always correct, but I do ask you point out what I may be wrong about, as a common courtesy.
and this is for Ghost too, right Bro?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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C'mon, you can do better that!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
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Is that where he became The Cactus Whisperer?
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couchmaster
climber
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May 12, 2015 - 03:43pm PT
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NBC was working on the story as well and concur with Hersh on the big parts of the revision. Quote:"The NBC News sources who confirm that a Pakistani intelligence official became a “walk in” asset include the special operations officer and a CIA officer who had served in Pakistan. These two sources and a third source, a very senior former U.S. intelligence official, also say that elements of the ISI were aware of bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. The former official was emphatic about the ISI’s awareness, saying twice, “They knew.” Whereas the Presidents crew is saying 'we are aghast at the inaccuracy's Hersh is pitching" or some such. They don't specify which inaccuracy's. So there may be some. Given that Hersh is an Obama supporter, and a careful detail oriented journalist of high esteem, at least we know the story isn't another personality based agenda against the President.
So what is going on then? Did the story get released to Hersh to embarrass Pakistan? Create discourse between Paki Intelligence and tribal Pakis?
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crankster
Trad climber
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May 12, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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Believe the Navy Seal, not Seymour.
"Rob O'Neill, the former Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden, did an interview Monday in which he slammed a controversial new investigative report on the incident.
O'Neill said the report, by veteran journalist Seymour Hersh, was "full of lies."
"When I was first sent this article, I thought it was a joke," he said on Fox News. "This thing is so ludicrous it's almost an insult to the word 'ludicrous.'"
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rob-oneill-blasts-seymour-hersh-report-on-bin-laden-2015-5#ixzz3Zy4u23Hs
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 12, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
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Lies within lies wrapped in layers of more lies retold as lies and sold as fact. The tell is how emphatically the lies are presented.
We'll never know for sure but my bet was always on Bin Laden, whoever's asset he really was or even what he might have been responsible for, dying in Tora Bora in December of 2001 long ago. I remember the change on that Sith Lord Rumsfeld's face the day it happened.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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May 14, 2015 - 12:09am PT
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Almost too funny for real:
O'Neill said the report, by veteran journalist Seymour Hersh, was "full of lies."
"When I was first sent this article, I thought it was a joke," he said on Fox News.
From Democracy Now!:
More sources are confirming a key claim in an explosive story challenging the Obama administration’s account of the killing of Osama bin Laden. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported this weekend a former Pakistani intelligence officer disclosed bin Laden’s location to the CIA. Hersh said U.S. claims it found bin Laden by tracking his personal courier were false. NBC News confirmed Hersh’s claim of the informant through three different intelligence sources. Now the Pakistani newspaper The News reports Pakistani officials are also acknowledging the story and have identified the officer as Usman Khalid. Hersh’s story says the officer received a $25 million bounty and is now living under U.S. protection near Washington. Carlotta Gall, a New York Times reporter who spent years in Afghanistan and Pakistan, is also now claiming she heard from a high-level Pakistani source that Pakistan was hiding bin Laden and later that an officer had told the CIA. Gall says she didn’t publish the story because she couldn’t corroborate it in the United States. Meanwhile, national security blogger R.J. Hillhouse is pointing out she reported some of Hersh’s key claims four years ago. In August 2011, Hillhouse wrote on her blog that the informant who led the CIA to bin Laden was a walk-in seeking financial compensation and that Pakistani officials were keeping bin Laden under house arrest with Saudi financial support.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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May 14, 2015 - 05:38am PT
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I see this has turned into a name calling exercise. Quelle surprise!
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couchmaster
climber
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May 14, 2015 - 06:38am PT
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In this Hersh story, I suspect that there may be elements of truth, but perhaps Hersh missed called a few points. The government seems to have folks giving a very similar refutation of "I couldn't believe the inaccuracy's in the Hersh story" with most of them not noting specific "inaccuracies", suggesting that there are both inaccuracies and truths in Seymore Hersh's version. This clearly is a government drone handout that they gave to a select few individuals and said: "HERE, GET THIS OUT THERE" The lazy "journalists" that are doing the bidding don't even change most of the words.
There may be another hidden agenda as well, such as someone in the agency releasing this info so as to sow discord between the Pakistani Intelligence and Al Queffer or some other group of nasties. Once they get to killing each other off the chuckling behind closed doors may or may not come out later. Probably not. Ever.
One version of what's happening:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/207001/its-conspiracy-how-discredit-seymour-hersh
An interesting view not discussed, that is, it being a war crime: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-13/bin-laden-war-crimes-and-gray-areas
Queffer "definition"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/products.php?defid=2619502
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Degaine
climber
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May 14, 2015 - 06:52am PT
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WBraun wrote:
Everyone knew the real truth to this bullsh!t Bin Laden being killed back then except the stupid sheep
like the cranksheeps that believe everything their fed by CNN (CIA NEWS NETWORK) ....
WBraun wrote:
Maybe just click CNN and you'll stay safe in your bullsh!t little world.
WBraun wrote:
CNN will broadcast this Bin Laden news during this summers Jade Helm update
You seem pretty obsessed with CNN and horribly misinformed, or at the least you've been living in a ditch for a while.
No one watches that shitty news network, no one. I'm mean seriously, have you actually looked up their ratings lately? That network has no influence whatsoever. ER did more in 15 years to educate people about medicine than CNN has done to actually inform people.
I am surprised that you don't mention Fox, far more influence, and they fling an even bigger pile of bullsh#t. But my CIA sources indicate that their is a current unspoken cease-fire with regard to certain species of duck, and that Fox is the reason for the cease-fire. Coincidence?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 14, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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Dingus post was 1666. Creepy......
or at the least you've been living in a ditch for a while.
lol.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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May 30, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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I would never ever open this on purpose but some freak glitch brought me here and so
fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
May 12, 2015 - 08:31pm PT
Lies within lies wrapped in layers of more lies retold as lies and sold as fact. The tell is how emphatically the lies are presented.
We'll never know for sure but my bet was always on Bin Laden, whoever's asset he really was or even what he might have been responsible for, dying in Tora Bora in December of 2001 long ago. I remember the change on that Sith Lord Rumsfeld's face the day it happened.
no way did they, Our boys, get the american stooge," Get?" WTF does that mean?
If we get some one we (the public joe) gets to see the poor bastard , like we all saw Sadam the american .....
shoot i miss ron and i still hate this wank subject matter
Porn is much better and just as nauseating, after awhile
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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May 30, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
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The only released photo of Bin Ladens burial.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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May 30, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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May 14, 2015 - 08:11am PT
I never bought the official story, either.
DMT
Wait.
Bin Laden's not dead?
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