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graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
May 6, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
Air strikes today in Pakistan and Yemen today. This is the first time we've hit Yemen in 9 years.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/first-drone-strikes-since-bin-laden-raid-hit-pakistan-yemen/
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 6, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
Pakistan strike (Datta Khel);
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=217892262123461097139.00047a67c0494965aae08&ll=33.026224,69.7649&spn=0.12982,0.220757&t=h&z=12&iwloc=00047af105d07f3d49468

Yemen strike (Mayfa'a);
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=217892262123461097139.00047d21bd6d913501f82&ll=14.290668,47.61097&spn=0.150047,0.220757&t=h&z=12&iwloc=0004a29ccae0d3f47edbf

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 6, 2011 - 04:33pm PT


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqlUVMVO7_M&feature=player_embedded
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 6, 2011 - 04:41pm PT
And most of the original colonists were fundamentalist religious fanatics and pariahs who were escaping persecution, not justice. Hell, they had more in common with OBL holed-up in a cave than with you or me.
That's really weird and wrong.
No, it's not wrong - it's the story of our 'founders' if you read up on why the first wave of 'Americans' came to these shores - they were radical fundamentalists who wanted to overthrow their government on religious grounds and to escape persecution they fled into the wilderness. Not really much different than OBL's story. And I could be wrong, but you don't seem like a religious nutjob to me which would mean those colonists had more in common with OBL than with you.
dirtbag

climber
May 6, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
I'm just trolling you libs

No one's biting. Try different bait.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 6, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
Thank GOD for brave men like Michael Ruppert who tell us the truth. It was Michael's incredibly well researched book, Crossing The Rubicon, on all the means, motive, and opportunity evidence, that first removed the blinders from my eyes regarding 9-11.


I had not seen this before . . .


A White Knight Talking Backwards
SPY CASE IN CANADIAN COURTS SUGGESTS US NAVAL OFFICER HAD FOREKNOWLEDGE OF 9-11
by Michael C. Ruppert, Author of Crossing The Rubicon

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/01_25_02_revised_012802_vreeland.html
http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/01_28_02_vreeland.jpg




A White Knight Talking Backwards

SPY CASE IN CANADIAN COURTS SUGGESTS US NAVAL OFFICER HAD FOREKNOWLEDGE OF 9-11

by

Michael C. Ruppert

[Copyright 2002, Michael C. Ruppert and From The Wilderness Publications, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/, all rights reserved. May be reposted, reprinted or distributed for non-profit purposes only when this statement appears with the text.]

TORONTO, [Filed January 25, 2002, and Revised January 28, 2002] - EDITORIAL NOTE: In our original story we indicated that the note written by Delmart "Mike" Vreeland had been sealed in court records. We based this on a misreading of Canadian press stories. In fact, the warning of the World Trade Center attacks, written by Vreeland on either August 11th or 12th has been introduced into open evidence in Vreeland’s case in Toronto. Using court records in our possession, FTW has scanned the document and it is available for viewing in this story. We apologize for the error. Following is a revised story which we feel is the best way to present this important information in context.]

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Delmart Edward "Mike" Vreeland, an American citizen whose claims to being a US Naval Lieutenant assigned to the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) are being increasingly corroborated in open court, has been in a Canadian jail since December 6, 2000. On August 11 or 12 of 2001, the date is uncertain, after trying to verbally alert his Canadian jailers to the coming World Trade Center attacks, he wrote down key information and sealed it in an envelope which he then had placed in jailers’ custody. This event is not disputed by Canadian authorities. The letter specifically listed a number of targets including The Sears Towers, The World Trade Center, The White House, The Pentagon, The World Bank, The Canadian parliament building in Ottawa and the Royal Bank in Toronto.

A chilling sentence follows the list of targets, "Let one happen. Stop the rest!!!"

When the envelope was opened on September 14th it set off alarms in the US and Canada.

The US wants Vreeland back in the States on a Michigan warrant for credit card fraud - using his own credit card. Vreeland, convinced that a return to the US means certain death, wants to stay in Canada in a witness protection program. His lawyers Rocco Galati and Paul Slansky, two former Canadian prosecutors, agree with Vreeland’s assessment. They should. Both have been the victims of harassment and threats including dead cats hung on porches and car windows smashed out in car burglaries.

The position of the United States government, as represented by Crown Solicitors in Toronto, is that all of this is nonsense. Vreeland, says the Navy, was discharged as a Seaman after a few months of service for unsatisfactory performance in 1986. He has never had anything to do with intelligence according to 1200 pages of Navy records filed in Toronto Superior Court.

"How is it," says Galati, "that the Navy says that he was only in the service a few months and then send us a 1200 page personnel file? Some of the entries are obvious forgeries or alterations and the sanitizing of his records was done so hurriedly that some dates of medical exams in the 1990s were left intact."

In a January 10, 2002 tactic worthy of Perry Mason, with the greatest possible risk to his client if it failed, attorney Slansky got the judge to agree to let him call the Pentagon from open court. Using a speaker phone, in front of at least six witnesses, Slansky first dialed directory information and got a number for the Pentagon switchboard. Then, calling that number he asked the Department of Defense operator to locate the office of Lt. Delmart Vreeland. Within moments the operator had confirmed Vreeland’s posting, his rank as a Lieutenant O-3, his room number and given Slansky his direct-dial number.

All of this is a part of the court record.

On January 17, as this writer sat in the courtroom, another mind-numbing event occurred.

As Vreeland sat shackled in a corner, closely flanked by two guards, the Crown Solicitor sought to debunk Vreeland’s assertions that he had been assigned to travel to Moscow to review and retrieve highly technical and classified documents pertaining to Russian and Chinese efforts to counter the proposed US "Star Wars" missile defense system. [Ed note: FTW believes this to be a cover story.] "Why," said the Crown Solicitor, "would the US choose, in a case involving some of the most highly technical intelligence, a random seaman with training in the tool and die field." The point that someone discharged in 1986 with no special training and rank would be sent to review technical documents sounded reasonable - assuming that Vreeland’s background was as the Solicitor argued.

The reasonableness vanished a few moments later as the Crown Solicitor argued that Vreeland, who has been in jail and without access to a computer for thirteen months, had somehow cracked the Pentagon’s personnel records and inserted his name, an office number, and telephone extension into the Pentagon database.

No one except for Vreeland and attorney Galati seemed to notice the contradiction.

The Crown Solicitor ventured further through the looking glass by then arguing that Vreeland, having certain papers in his possession at the time of his arrest, had memorized Russian and Albanian documents and then had translated them from memory. Vreeland doesn’t speak Russian or Albanian. The judge, noticing this stretch of credibility, asked the Solicitor to restate the point. The argument then became that Vreeland had an unnamed colleague go to an unspecified web site, print Russian and Albanian documents for him, and then used foreign language dictionaries to translate them.

Vreeland’s extradition process could take years and his time in jail has not been easy. There have been threats, illnesses and his every move is watched. Galati and Slansky wonder how long his psyche will hold up. The history of jailhouse deaths of key witnesses leans heavily in favor of Vreeland’s belief that he could be killed at any moment. His apparent strategy is to not reveal any accurate Top Secret material to either his lawyers or the press, hoping that his silence will provide him with some support from US clandestine services. This a standard approach taken in dozens of similar cases researched by FTW in the past They include the cases - well known in research circles - of William Tyree and Michael Riconosciuto. Tyree has been jailed on a questionable murder conviction since 1979 and Riconosciuto on a variety or drug-related charges since the early 1990s. Both men have been directly connected to CIA and other intelligence operations by official documents.

"We don’t need to know and we don’t want to know the secret details, "says Galati. "They’re not necessary for us to do the job of keeping our client alive and in Canada. He faces a special danger in the US because he has also been an informant against an organized crime family in Michigan where the criminal charges originate. The most he is facing there is two years but we believe he might not live for two days in that system."

Additional press reports indicate that Vreeland’s intelligence work was connected to drug smuggling - a much more likely reason for his trip to Moscow. And the history of the relations between Naval Intelligence and the mafia is documented as far back as the Second World War when ONI officers made deals with convicted mafia don Lucky Luciano and his lieutenant Vito Genovese to protect New York docks and assist with the subsequent Allied invasion and occupation of Italy.

Mike Vreeland is one man who, in a rational world, could totally expose the complicity of the US government in the attacks of September 11th. No one has disputed what he wrote and stuffed into that envelope. In a rational world that would be the most pressing and public inquiry of all. The two questions remaining are whether Vreeland will live and whether or not he will ever tell what he knows. That may be a mutually exclusive proposition.

FTW has retained the services of freelance journalist Greta Knutsen in Toronto to report on developments in this critical case for our subscribers. Important updates will be posted and sent out via subscriber bulletin to our readers as they become available.

[The Warning Written by Mike Vreeland Before 9-11]
http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/01_28_02_vreeland.jpg



I don't know if Lt. Mike Vreeland is still in Canadian jail or prison or where he is now. I would like to know. What is his fate? Is he still alive? I hope so. He needs to testify completely what he knows.
S.Leeper

Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
May 6, 2011 - 05:51pm PT
http://www.fark.com/vidplayer/6175887
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
May 6, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
Radical said,


Your an idiot Klimmer.
There is so much your mind has to miss to believe anything like that...
The delusional and paranoid ramblings of a crook in jail?
Who when you even read the letter wasn't even correct about anything.
The Royal Bank building?
Total garbage.
And I read it all...thanks for wasting my time





Sorry Radical but you would be the one losing it. I can tell your world vision and reality are being challenged so you result to attack. Predictable, funny, and sad, all at the same time.



Found a copy of Michael Ruppert's follow up article here . . .



From the Secrecy Archives

FTW interview: Delmart “Mike” Vreeland
What the CIA doesn’t want you to know
By Michael C. Ruppert
http://watchman-news.warn-usa.com/free-press/2010/12/24/ftw-interview-delmart-mike-vreeland/

April 4, 2002, 1:00 PM PST (FTW)—If all of its dark alleys were explored, the case of Delmart Edward Joseph “Mike” Vreeland is one which is worthy of a book that would rival “War and Peace.” It is a case that has sparked zealous attacks on FTW and me personally, and one which has seriously disturbed many officials in Washington. These attacks are an indication of the threat Vreeland poses to the credibility of the U.S. government. Only one question of any relevance exists. How was this man able to write details that described the events of Sept. 11 while locked in a jail cell, more than a month before the attacks occurred?
It matters little to a housewife in Kansas if Mike Vreeland has a very confusing criminal arrest record—some of it very contradictory and apparently fabricated—for a variety of petty criminal offenses including fraud. But it may be a matter of the gravest importance for the same housewife if this man knew accurate information about the attacks, tried to warn both the U.S. and Canadian governments about them, and was ignored. If a crazy man runs up to you on the street and says that a house is on fire with children trapped inside, and you smell smoke, who is the crazy one if you decide not to investigate?

The U.S. Navy says that Vreeland, arrested in Canada on Dec. 4, 2000 and currently fighting a U.S. extradition warrant, was discharged for unsatisfactory performance after only four months of service in 1986. But a growing pile of evidence, much of it filed in court records and undisputed by Canadian or U.S. authorities, establishes clearly that Vreeland was exactly what he says he was—a spy.
In three previous stories, FTW has described how his military records, acknowledged to be in excess of 1,200 pages, have been tampered with. We have described how, in open court on a speakerphone, his lawyers obtained direct confirmation from the Pentagon that he was a Navy officer. We have also reported that, as of March 14, all Canadian charges against Vreeland were dismissed. He was released on bail and also granted temporary refugee status by the Canadian government until his battle to beat the U.S. extradition request is settled.
Something that Canadian authorities have never disputed is that Vreeland wrote his ominous and hastily scribbled warning a full month before the attacks, and that the warning was sealed away by his keepers, beyond his reach, until Sept. 14, three days after the attacks.
If he loses his extradition fight, both Vreeland and his attorneys believe that his assassination will occur within days of his return to U.S. soil.
Mike Vreeland is not a saint. Covert operatives are not made from such material, and governments do not recruit or screen candidates for saintly qualities. By his own admission in Canadian court documents and in several conversations with FTW, Vreeland says he has done bad things. He has been on probation for petty offenses, and he has behaved the way covert operatives behave in the real world—not in Hollywood.
I have been studying, interacting with, and talking to covert operatives for more than 25 years. It is for that reason that I avoid some of the questions being raised by dilettantes and neophyte journalists who take all of the threads of Vreeland’s stories and run with them into a wilderness from which no professional journalist could credibly emerge. Yes, I have listened to him talk about so-called “red mercury,” baseball-sized atom bombs, and Star Wars weapons systems. Yes, I have heard him talk about a great many things, and I believe that what he told me was truthful according to his knowledge of events and the documents he brought back from Moscow in December 2000.
Even by his own statements, Vreeland, now 35, was a relatively low ranking officer and an intelligence field operative. Never in the history of covert operations has any government entrusted field operatives with total strategic knowledge because the knowledge held by those who make the plans is compartmentalized and locked away. Perhaps 80 percent of all intelligence work is disinformation, and governments know that their field operatives risk capture, interrogation and torture. Quite often field operatives are themselves fed disinformation so that if they talk, they will still spread lies that serve a larger strategic purpose. Quite often they carry documents that are deliberately inaccurate and their capture is engineered to give those documents credibility.
To the U.S. government, Vreeland is totally expendable. And those who run with every piece of information he has disclosed will themselves be proven fools in a fool’s game.
But one question remains. And it is a question that now stands vindicated by time and events. He knew something chillingly accurate about the 9-11 attacks before they happened. And if he knew something, based upon documents given to him by Russian officials indicating U.S. knowledge, and if the U.S. government went to great lengths to discredit him, rather than bring him in from the cold—then there is real meat on the plate for journalists, the American government, and all of mankind.
I have asked him 35 questions, and now you can read Mike Vreeland’s answers as he speaks for himself. The first 32 questions were jointly submitted to both Vreeland and his attorney, Paul Slansky, for review. The remaining three questions were asked after the most recent hacking of FTW’s website, which we believe was perpetrated by the CIA. This made the publication of this story an emergency and also made a statement about the survival of a free press in America:
1. What part of the U.S. government did you work for? Was it the CIA?
I worked for U.S. Naval intelligence. What the CIA directs us to do is their business, so we have no way of knowing whether we’re working for them or not.
2. Was your assignment primarily connected to terrorism/oil?
Yes, on both issues, in part.
3. Why were you in Moscow and Russia in the latter part of 2000?
I was sent there by the U.S. government and the ONI [Office of Naval Intelligence]. I got my orders between Sept. 4 and Sept. 7, 2000.
Marc Bastien departed for Russia on Sept. 7, 2000. I had orders to meet him. Bastien was going to work at the Canadian embassy regarding diagrams and blueprints of a weapons defense system. The U.S. government had a direct influence on his mission. The name of the defense system is SSST [Stealth Satellite System Terminator]. There are five different individual and unique defensive and strike capabilities of the system. The only portion that I have publicly spoken on is one frame regarding actual current orbiting satellites, which are not at this time owned by the US government. On advice of counsel I cannot discuss the other components.
This one component is a satellite system. Within the confines of the system there are multiple, deployable space/orbital EMP [Electromagnetic Pulse] missiles that are not aimed at the ground. They are targeted at everyone else’s satellites. These would kill worldwide communications. The satellites of some countries that are shielded with titanium are protected from these weapons. The protected countries are Russia and China, but U.S. satellites are vulnerable and Putin has told Bush that the U.S. missile defense system doesn’t work, and that Bush knows it.
The reason why I went to Russia was because I needed to meet with Bastien and another individual from the Russian Ministry of Defense named Oleg. The purpose was to get the Canadian diplomat who had made contact with Oleg to get the book of designs out of the ministry’s R&D. That was done. We copied the entire book. Then we took certain documents, and we changed serious portions of the defense design so the program wouldn’t work. They know this now.
Additionally I was to pick up docs from other agents and bring them back.
4. You told Canadian authorities that Bastien was murdered when?
I never told them he was murdered. I wrote a letter to Bastien around June of 2000 from jail. I sent it to CSIS [Canadian Security and Intelligence Service] in Ottawa, to the director for his eyes only. I had restructured the diagram to put it back in its original state. But I never told anyone exactly how to turn it on and how to build it. CSIS already knew that Bastien was dead. He died six says after I was arrested on Dec. 6. I was discharged on Dec. 9. He was killed on Dec 12.
CSIS sent RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted Police] (Sgt. Mabe, Corporal Kispol) to visit me in jail on Aug. 8, 2001, . . . and they advised me that he was dead. They didn’t say he was murdered. They told me he was dead. I told them that if Bastien was dead, it was murder, and that they should get a toxicology report. And I would tell you how it was done, and who did it.
5. When did they finally admit that Bastien was murdered?
They admitted that I was correct in mid-January.
6. When did you first learn details of the attacks that were to happen on Sept. 11?
In the first week of December 2000.
7. How did you learn of the details?
One document was written in English by a U.S. agent, who had picked up a copy of a document that had been sent to V. Putin by K. Hussein, Saddam Hussein’s son. This is what the translation of the doc indicates. The Iraqis knew in June 2000 that I was coming. I didn’t get my orders until August. The letter said that Bastien and Vreeland would be dealt with “in a manner suitable to us.” The letter specifically stated on page two, “Our American official guarantees this.”
8. Who put the information on the attacks into the pouch, and what would have been their motive for doing so?
I am not allowed to answer that. It would jeopardize the lives of active agents, and it would violate the National Security Act of 1947.
9. After having learned of the details of the impending attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon, how long did you wait before trying to notify Canadian and U.S. authorities of the information?
On Dec. 6, 2000, I told Canadian authorities to their face that I needed to contact the Canadian military immediately. I wrote it down. She [the Canadian official] was playing games, so I wrote down that I was a Russian spy and a weapons systems expert, and that I wanted to talk to them TODAY. I said I was a Russian because I figured it would get their attention. The name they had on me was Mikhail Cristianov (Michael Christian), because I had ID that used this name.
10. What was their reaction?
The Canadians turned blue, walked away, and I never saw them again.
11. How did it make you feel?
I was pissed off. It’s on video [referring to a standard jail surveillance/security video].
12. Did the U.S. and Canadian response lead you to reach any conclusions? If so, what were they?
I thought I was dealing with idiots who had no clue about what was about to happen. It’s been put to me that there were certain officials who wanted the attacks to happen. No one ever had any intention of building the system I was after because it would have made the defense budget obsolete. One thing that happened after 9-11 was that the Pentagon budgets soared.
13. Your written warning contains the statement, “Let one happen, stop the rest.” Who was going to let one happen? Who was going to stop the rest?
I can’t comment on the advice of counsel.
14. Does that statement imply that the U.S. or some other intelligence agency had achieved complete penetration of the terrorist cells?
That goes without question. Sometimes certain governments design, create networks like Al’Qaeda, which was really the government in Afghanistan. Those entities create specific problems at the creating government’s direction.
15. Do you know who had achieved this penetration?
I cannot comment on that.
16. Is it possible that the terrorist cells were being “run” without knowing by whom?
Absolutely.
17. The most common excuse people use to discredit you is that you have prior arrests on fraud charges, and there are several press stories linking you to alleged criminal activity. How do you explain this?
The American Express charges are b.s., and Amex has stated on tape that the specific charges in question were approved. They admit that there was no fraud on this card. That card had been issued to Lt. Delmart Michael Vreeland. The Amex people admitted that the card was a U.S. Navy card.
People have accused me of identity theft. If anybody checked with the police departments in the U.S., they would find that there is not one police report form any individual in the U.S. who has alleged that I have stolen any identities. There is not a single identified victim anywhere. Three judges in Canada have denied my requests to have discovery and disclosure on these alleged charges.
The press stories that have circulated about my past are lies. Portions of the stories alleging fraud and ID theft are lies. I have threatened to sue these papers, and the stories have been pulled.
I’m working with ONI. Certain government officials—politicians, brass, and high ranking military—have 11th Amendment privileges and can’t be sued. Another government agency has to go investigate activities connected to weapons smuggling, organized crime and drug trafficking. They use their power to break laws, and we’re not allowed to investigate them. Thus certain parts of the U.S. government designed an entity called UID (Unofficial Intelligence Investigation Division). It was designed by Adm. Jeremy Michael Boorda, who allegedly committed suicide. Boorda put this together prior to becoming CNO [Chief of Naval Operations]. He was not a bad guy.
Intelligence officers are sometimes put into positions where they are given assignments to infiltrate specific organizations that are powerful enough to check out a newcomer’s background. Page 335 of the Charter Application in Canadian Court shows a copy of orders from Southern Command. These orders are dated April 18, 2000, concerning an anti-drug operation we were mounting. At approximately the same time the media released widespread stories that I was a wanted criminal. This was a means pf providing cover and credibility for me with the people I was infiltrating.
18. How many times have you been arrested on criminal charges?
Maybe three. Some of this I did, like a DUI charge in New York. I had been at the UN, and I had definitely been drinking.
19. How many times have you been convicted?
I have never been legally convicted of any criminal, felony activity anywhere. The drunk driving charge is still pending, and I have admitted in open court that I did it.
20. The Michigan warrant for credit card fraud is based upon the use of your own credit card. How do you explain this?
It is a setup.
21. Were your credit cards authorized or facilitated by the U.S. Navy or any part of the U.S. government?
Yes.
22. Could the U.S. government or any of its intelligence agencies have “inserted” the charges through state and local agencies?
Yes.
23. You were in custody in New York on the date the alleged Michigan offense took place. What was the charge, and what was the disposition of that case?
That was the DUI charge.
24. Was working with organized crime families a part of your duties with the Navy?
Yes.
25. Were any of the organized crime families in Michigan?
Yes.
26. For what reason were you working with organized crime?
I was under orders to do so 90 percent of the time. Organized crime supplies the weapons and drugs that go to the people we investigate.
27. Are you afraid that you will be killed if you are extradited to the U.S.? Why?
Yes. Because I have spoken out.
28. Can you explain why the Canadian courts will not allow your attorneys to introduce evidence that verifies your position with the U.S. Navy?
Yes. The Canadians are totally subservient to U.S. intelligence interests. They’re afraid of Uncle Sam. It would also prove that CSIS covered up Marc Bastien’s death, and that there was a cover-up involving a member of a major drug organization that had planned assassinations against prominent Canadians. In fact, one individual was found dead in a vat of acid. He was a hit man.
29. What do you want?
I want my uniform back, my back pay at $4,210.90 a month and my honor. I want President Bush to give me a full and complete pardon and the amnesty of the U.S. government. I am owed that. I want Bush personally to know everything that I know, and what kind of threats there are against the U.S.
It’s never going to happen, so I am now seeking permanent refugee status in Canada and the protection of the United Nations.
30. What do you think will happen next in your case?
I don’t know. My attorney is in court seeking a postponement of the extradition case because the Canadian government will not allow me to subpoena very important U.S. witnesses from the Pentagon and other places.
31. Is the war on terrorism about something other than what the people of the world are being told?
What war on terrorism?
32. What do you think will happen next in the war on terror?
Eventually, someone’s going to have to tell the truth. Once those people are dealt with according to law, there will be no more false terror spread across the globe.
33. You have recently had dealings with an American journalist named Rick Wiles. What is your opinion of Wiles and what was your experience?
My opinion of Wiles is that he is a psychopath, who will print anything that will make him money. My experience with him was that I had private conversations with him that he recorded, not telling me he was going to post them on the Internet and sell them to the world. Then once I contacted him and told him that he was not to do that, he said he would take them down right now. Instead of taking them down he placed a bigger ad. He made a bigger ad!
In my opinion he is neither honorable nor professional. He has placed my story right next to a story about someone who talked to aliens 25 years ago. Yeah, that’s right where I want my story to be, right next to some bozo who talks to aliens. The idiot!
So now he’s selling this phony exclusive interview with me for $20 and he’s making all the money. He never had my permission to do that.
34. You have recently had dealings with an American journalist named J.R. Nyquist. What is you opinion of Nyquist and what was your experience?
Don’t even get me started. My opinion: I think he might be working for the government. I did not know that he was writing a story about me. He asked me some questions. I answered some questions. I recorded it, and then he went off on a wild tangent about psychological crap, and I didn’t even read the whole story I was so mad.
He went off about the Russians, and it’s all b.s. He sent me this fax about you saying that Ruppert was not my friend. He was saying that the Russians had me boxed in. The truth is, the American government is boxing me in. He’s full of sh#t.
35. Are all of these statements on-the-record?
Yes!


That doesn't sound like "The delusional and paranoid ramblings of a crook in jail" to me nor to anyone else who is honest.

That is a US Navy Intelligence Officer (our Spy) that knows too much and where the bodies are buried, and TPTB don't like that he's telling the World what he knows. He's exposing their lies.

9-11 (and more) are inside jobs.

And sadly that is how this corrupt sad World run by psychopaths is, and how they run things. Doesn't surprise me at all. These children do as their evil Father tells them to do. Their Father is "The Father of Lies." There is no truth in them.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 6, 2011 - 06:12pm PT
The political right are and will be advocates of torture because their psychosis is ruled by

fear. Fear of gays, fear of "immigrants", fear of people who graduate from the nation's

top colleges (elitists), fear of other people thinking they are "soft" if they don't strongly

defend torture, fear of science especially as it contradicts their biases.

Fear of, in short, anybody who is not exactly like them.


It's about FEAR.



the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 6, 2011 - 06:32pm PT
healyje I don't know where you are getting your history but the original Mayflower pilgrims wanted religious freedom. And they had it in Amsterdam, but were losing their cultural identity and came to America. Plus half the people on the mayflower were there for economic reasons only.

Of course like modern righties freedom to them meant freedom to believe what THEY believed and soon Roger Williams left to found Rhode Island and have real freedom and separation of church and state.

It's a stretch and insulting to compare any of these people to OBL who wanted to overthrow the world and kill innocents to do it.
dirtbag

climber
May 6, 2011 - 06:36pm PT
Well, they burned "witches" so it's not too much of a stretch.
salad

climber
Escondido
May 6, 2011 - 06:42pm PT
Vreeland is in the slam serving 336 to life for what are obviously trumped up child sex crimes.
dirtbag

climber
May 6, 2011 - 06:43pm PT
yummy, Sierra Nevada beer...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 6, 2011 - 06:49pm PT
The Politics of Fear




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What explains the electoral success of Republicans, particularly of the ascendant neoconservatives who now dominate the Party? Based on a thorough and up-to-date examination of the New Right over twenty-five years, The Politics of Fear proposes some provocative answers, including globalization, new technologies, and a far-reaching network of right-wing think tanks and foundations. As the authors show, all have opened the doors to a new politics of fear successfully waged by the neoconservatives.

By manipulating insecurity, the New Right has created an extraordinarily successful populist conservative movement. Utilizing extensive documentation, the authors argue convincingly that the fear of immigrants and racial minorities has served as the most effective tactic in the GOP arsenal, while their approach also implicates gays, feminists, and terrorists. The book explains why Americans have willingly supported a party that promises them security, just as it delivers greater economic and political insecurity. The authors argue that, despite their striking political successes, neoconservatives have delivered to voters a set of policies harmful to working Americans in the way of regressive tax measures, military exploits, tort reform, deregulation, and environmental destruction.

Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 6, 2011 - 06:50pm PT
This is like the weirdest thread ever.
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
May 6, 2011 - 07:31pm PT
Gary - its not so weird when you realize that Liberals are blood sucking
maggots bent on destroying America. Actually its all fairly clear then.

Cheers on this glorious Friday evening.

CC
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 6, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
Of course like modern righties freedom to them meant freedom to believe what THEY believed and soon Roger Williams left to found Rhode Island and have real freedom and separation of church and state.

Roger Williams was hounded and persecute here in America and convicted of sedition and heresy for those views - the colonies were largely intolerant and rife with persecution of anyone who did not share their religious views. Again, the founders were largely fundamentalist fanatics and many actively worked to overthrow the British crown and government.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 6, 2011 - 07:39pm PT



A toast to started it all, no slack Colonial, you can sleep in peace now. Can’t say you failed on this one. Honour to have known you. 2nd/327 Charlie Company: No Fu#king slack
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 6, 2011 - 07:43pm PT
Healyje, so how did we become who we are, and they remain who they are?

What happend for us, or didn't happen for them?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 6, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
In short? Garbage in, democracy and tolerance out. The US is one of the youngest, most diverse, and heterogeneous countries and cultures on the planet. Old homogeneous countries the world over don't share our experience or views whether in Mideast or Asia. Mentoring in constitutional law from Native Americans didn't hurt either.
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