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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 19, 2011 - 11:14pm PT
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Sequoia Redwood..sadder yet...any salvageable lumber left...? rj
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 19, 2011 - 11:15pm PT
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Interesting note aside...Redwoods were abundant on the eastside until the climate dried out..rj
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 19, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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The Roosevelt tree was planted in 1913. From what I understand, there are no groves of Sequoias on the east side. On the west side Mariposa grove starts at about 5800 feet and goes to 6800 feet.
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2011 - 12:02am PT
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The Roosevelt tree was still standing unscathed this morning when I drove through Big Pine
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 20, 2011 - 12:04am PT
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Thanks for the good news moosie....RJ
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Mar 20, 2011 - 09:47am PT
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Sequoias & Redwoods are DIFFERENT trees.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 20, 2011 - 11:58am PT
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Related but not the same.
Maybe sempervirens will weigh in.
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sempervirens
climber
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Mar 20, 2011 - 03:08pm PT
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Hi Jaybro, Yeah, they are in the same family, the Cupressaceae or Cypress Family. They used to be in the Taxodiaceae but have been "moved", probably due to some botanist nerd's genetic study of their ancestry. But they are each in a different genus.
They can be both called redwood, and often are, but it'd be "more correct" to call the Sequouia sempervirens the redwood; and the Sequoiadendron giganteum the giant sequoia. That really gets at the heart of the issue of using scientific names (aka botanical names or "Latin names") vs. common names. Common names vary, of course, and confuse. For example, Poplar are sometimes called cottonwood. But cottonwood is only one type of poplar, aspens are sometimes called poplar 'cause they're also in the same genus, Populus. "Poison hemlock" is not even in the same family as the Hemlock tree. So those long two-word scientific names are used to avoid confusion. They are the same all around the world.
Probably more than anyone wanted to hear. FWIW. I am a botanist, but not a botany nerd as I am not quite smart enough or dedicated enough to earn that title.
Link below to the Jepson Manual of California Plants, the accepted authority of plant names in the state.
http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/tjm2/review/treatments/cupressaceae_all.html
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Oxymoron
Big Wall climber
total Disarray
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Mar 20, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
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Vindicated. Up yours, Ron A.
How about the fire? Remember that?
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sempervirens
climber
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Mar 20, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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Also, about the "invasive" sequoias... I could see how that ranger might have considered them non-native to the area 'cause they weren't growing there naturally. At one time they did, but if they were planted now (or some 20 years agos) when they were'nt already there on their own, well then they'd be non-native. Still there's room for a little debate.
But they're not invasive. Invasive means they can proliferate and take over the habitat of native plants and therefore crowd out the desirable natives. That'd be like star thistle in california, or knapweed in Montana, or tall white top in the Carson City, NV area. It's possible but not too likely for the giant sequoia (or the redwood for that matter) to crowd out natives on the east side of the sierra.
I too originally checked into this thread to see about the fire along 395.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 20, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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Dori and Martin didn't lose the house but lost garden, chicken coop, shop, and tools including canning stuff. It was their livelihood.
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Aerili
climber
Reno, NV
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Mar 20, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
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It was blowing hard on the east side yesterday and rumor has it 65 degrees in big pine I was in Bishop for a few days and it didn't feel anything close to 65 degrees!! Weather reports for Lone Pine were identical to Bishop, so I would have assumed Big Pine was similar. The wind never seemed to abate much, either.
The day my partner and I went down this week we thought maybe the wind was causing the poor visibility in the area, but a guy at the Mountain Light gallery told us that big dust/sandstorms in China were the cause: the dust had been lifted into the jet stream and then deposited right over the Eastside. I am sure the fire was not helping. We could smell it Friday night in camp.
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