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Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 22, 2014 - 06:52am PT
I tried to read Stephen Hawkin's Book, A Brief History of Time.

I had to re-read chapter 1 about four times before I gave up and moved onto chapter 2.

I re-read chapter 2 about six times before I gave up and threw away the book.
Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Jul 22, 2014 - 07:23am PT

Proust is perhaps the one writer who can out-detail DFW.

'Remembrance of Things Past'...2 volumes of A4+ prose!?!



“Nine tenths of the ills from which intelligent people suffer spring from their intellect.” -Marcel Proust





Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 22, 2014 - 11:38am PT
"The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico.
-Bernal Díaz del Castillo"

Incredible read. I especially enjoyed the story of one engineer who convinced Cortez to spend a month building a trebuchet during the siege of Tenochtitlan. It's first projectile went straight up, came straight down, and destroyed it.

Add to this the Conquest of the Incas by Hemming. SUPERB.

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Jul 22, 2014 - 11:45am PT
I once went on a several week trip to the Cordillera Real with a buddy. His book offerings: The Tibetan Book of the Dead, and Hunt for Red October.

Really, dude? Nothing in between?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 22, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
Hands down.

Gödel, Escher, Bach.

The most difficult fiction book would probably be Naked Lunch. It takes a fairly strong mind to get through.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jul 22, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
Fiction book: Possibly Finnegans Wake. The puzzle is far from solved yet... Maybe the experts are just led astray... or leading themselves astray ^^^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Jul 22, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
Yeah, my Dad had Gödel Escher Bach on the bookshelf when I was growing up. I tried to wade into that several times, but couldn't get very far past enjoying the Escher drawings.
Critique of Pure Reason was the other one he had that was too difficult/intimidating for me to ever manage.

I think the heavy philosophy stuff is probably the hardest in general.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Aug 25, 2014 - 01:06am PT
I remember having a hard time getting started on The Name of the Rose, but once I got into the rhythm of it, retrained my brain to have a larger buffer for larger sentences, I could relax more with that flow and I loved it.

I've got Focault's Pendulum sitting around waiting for me.

The Road was very dark, grim, unflinchingly raw and honest in a terrible situation... so heavy in a "wow this kind of world would suck" way but that was counterbalanced by the love and tenderness of the relationship. But, it was intellectually easy to read, with remarkably simple but powerful sentences.

I started The Unbearable Lightness of Being (Milan Kundera) and was a bit overwhelmed, put it down. Maybe I wasn't in the right mood, not ready for depressing content, but I feel compelled to try again at some point.

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance was pretty intense, but it's hard to compare, because I was an impressionable 20 year-old when I read it.

nah000

climber
canuckistan
Aug 25, 2014 - 01:44am PT
intellectually heavy: a thousand plateaus by deleuze and guattari

viscerally heavy: naked lunch by burroughs

spiritually heavy: night by wiesel
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 18, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1593650&tn=4940 Scroll through, back, thirty five pages or so or get into to it and ....

Sad to Say U can tell much If by Kant, tells you how little depth or you knew, John Searle's, works well.
Well either way it was all along time ago. Why I still read deep is in this new age? I find so much out by using the google.
The understanding unleashed to learn is an unbridled, as it were, Free Will See,with all Existance, Fate( Energy Named , Only for nod to ..._ _...since the last time I said it I have suffered death by a thousand cuts)end stop. But as a rule it cures insomnia.


http://www.andrewaasmith.com/A_Secular_View_of_God/Chapter12.php) , With Self Determination AND Some kind of Fate, . . . any definition ... energy, or f_ divine_intervention!
This from the link in brief, last pRgrrrphs,,hum...!

So again there are studies that show some degree of evidence that prayer does lead to a greater chance of healing. But these studies contain procedural or statistical flaws that prevent them from achieving acceptance in the scientific community. This perhaps should not come as any great surprise. If in fact faith healing was provable to any large degree there would no doubt be an enormous mountain of evidence by now that would be able to pass even the most stringent scientific standards. That overwhelming evidence, as we have seen, simply isn't there.

Skeptical organizations have actually offered large sums of money and immense notoriety to anyone who can demonstrate, under strictly controlled conditions, any form of supernatural ability. This also includes such non-religious claims as psychic ability or dowsing. As yet, despite many attempts, no one has collected a single prize. While this does not disprove that such abilities exist, it does caste a degree of doubt on such claims.



Also from the Link,

All of the major religions we will examine in this book are filled with examples of such miracles in their pages. The vast majority of religious people throughout the world believe that God does intervene in the lives of human beings for divine purposes. Many people feel that God has directly intervened in their own lives. So we must acknowledge that some degree of anecdotal evidence does exist in abundance that leans some support to the claims of divine intervention. However, the level of verifiable evidence is simply not high enough to convince the scientific community that there is no naturalistic explanation for these claims.

Some theological theories come readily to mind to explain the inability of any religion to demonstrate supernatural power. Perhaps God refuses to demonstrate supernatural intervention when it is demanded. This could be true whether the asker is a believer or a disbeliever. Perhaps divine intervention occurs, but is so infrequent or subtle that it is simply not distinguishable from the normal, entirely natural occurrences in the lives of the six billion humans on the planet. In any case, if we go solely by the evidence, divine intervention must be taken as a matter of faith. Whether we believe or not is no doubt heavily dependent on what we were taught as children and on what personal experiences with God we have or haven't had. We cannot reasonably demand faith in divine intervention by others, nor can we categorically declare that such things are impossible. As in many things in life, it is ultimately up to the individual to decide for themselves.

We can't of course rule out the possibility of faith healing anymore than we can rule out the existence of ghosts. Both of these widely held views can lay claim to massive levels of anecdotal evidence, but lack the physical evidence and repeatability to satisfy the rigorous demands of the skeptical scientific community. We must conclude, to some degree at least, that these various claims to divine intervention are very much a matter of faith to accept

http://www.strongatheism.net/library/against/impossibility_of_divine_intervention/



Largo >>
The two most common mistakes about consciousness are to suppose that it can be analyzed behavioristically or computationally. The Turing test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test);; disposes us to make precisely these two mistakes, the mistake of behaviorism and the mistake of computationalism. It leads us to suppose that for a system to be conscious, it is both necessary and sufficient that it has the right computer program or set of programs with the right inputs and outputs. We need only to state this position clearly to see that it must be mistaken.














Hey Randisi I got your PM sorry to get back to you here so many days later.
My small rock hell extends from NYC to the Highlands of New Jersey. Also up as far as Newfoundland, and down south as far as Arkansa. The rocks that I have been posting are in Connecticut.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Mar 18, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
The heaviest book I ever carried was The Exotica pictorial cyclopedia of plants.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 18, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
A New Kind Of Science, by Wolfram. Read about 300 pages (out of 1200(?)) before I gave up


You got further than I did, Moose. But I still use it occasionally for reference on cellular automata.

I once read a reputable review that claimed that no one has read the entire book. That would be my guess.

As for me, any of several grad math texts I suppose. You read them inch by inch.
WBraun

climber
Mar 18, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
The Chevy Tahoe service manual.

It's like 3 huge metropolitan phone books thick.
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Mar 19, 2015 - 01:27pm PT

Anything by Dr. Seuss

Causality and Chance in Modern Physics by David Bohm (a tiny little book which changed my thinking and my life)

Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Emil Frankl

1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus by Charles C. Mann
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 19, 2015 - 01:47pm PT
Property by Jesse Dukeminier

I had Dukeminier for family wealth transactions. He was a great professor, and a brave man.

Most profound secular read for me was Specification Searches by Ed Leamer. Although nominally about econometric problems and, as the subtitle goes, "ad hoc estimation with non-experimental data," it engendered a lot of thought on epistemology generally, and how much or little we learn from what we observe.

Nichomachean Ethics didn't seem quite that tough, but at least I read it in English. If I had to try it in Greek, well, forget it!

The Bible remains the most important and profound work for me.

John
P.Rob

Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
Mar 19, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
Earth's low-latitude boundary layer / Patrick T. Newell, Terry Onsager, editors.

A little bit more than a basic primer to Space Physics
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 19, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
Roger Pendrose Road to reality Yeah, it's a math book. Not done with it yet so it has to rank as the heaviest.

Carver Mead Collective electrodynamics A really different way of going at some basics.

Alexis Tocqueville
Democracy in America
Get the unabridged version.

Carl Jung
Answer to Job
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Job

Lu Dongbin?
Secret of the Golden Flower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_the_Golden_Flower

The most practically useful,

Dietrich Dorner
The Logic of Failure
Why really smart people almost always do incredibly stupid things when given enough power.


nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Mar 19, 2015 - 06:46pm PT
*
The Tao of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff.
Flip Flop

climber
salad bowl, california
Mar 19, 2015 - 07:07pm PT
The Road- Cormac McCarthy

Holy new dads worst nightmare. It's been awhile and the intellectual part is one loud note but heavy and of lasting impact. Like Hemingway in its rawness.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 19, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
I remember it well.

First, there was a story in Boys' Life that fired my imagination. In our Tonawanda library I found a whole shelf of books of its kind. I took one home to read. I understood most of the words, and there was a tantalizing feeling that the way they were put together not only made sense but described a new world of marvelous mechanisms and momentous ideas. It was a world I could not understand. I gave up halfway down page three where a group of important men were sitting at a table and discussing a situation I could not fathom. For me it was back to the more straightforward lessons of Bartholomew, Horton, and Yertle.


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